Anyone try this?

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http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp
http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc2.asp
http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc3.asp
http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc4.asp

I think I might give this a try in the summer for 3 months. If it works, i'll keep using it.

 

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[skaman607]

long read, can you simplify it for me?

 

[WarriorPL]

Seems to me like some kind of hormone. Can you summarize it for us?

 

[Needhelp]

Basically, it's about cycling between bulking and cutting every 2 weeks... Workout intense on bulk, cuts cardio weights 3x/week. By doing this, you optimize hormone levels (test, insulin, etc), I guess.

Lots more, i've only read the first 2 articles. I plan to do it this summer, after I have 3 months experience in BB--so I can tell if it works and it's not just beginner gains.

 

[casualbb]

Dude, go for it!

We tossed this idea around on the HST boards for ahwhile. The worst criticism we could come up with was that some of the research was strangely interpreted.

ABCDE would work quite well with HST or some other such full-body program because the resource partitioning would minimize your fat gain as compared to a split routine.

-casualbb

 

[Needhelp]

I'm not really familar with HST at all, it's a 3-day a week split isnt it? So you'd recommend HST for the bulk and cutting phases?

Gonna wait 3 months or so anyway, then try it for about 3.

 

[jeremys]

please report back when you're done! seems interesting

 

[Cuts]

I remember this article very well... I read it in it's original form in [formerly] MM2K about 4-5 years ago... I'm assuming you pulled this off the CD?

Anyway this ABCDE system of Torbjorn Akerfeldt created quite a buzz back then. There were tons of great debates about its attributes and drawbacks, by an equal # of great minds. On the Elite boards alone, there is a plethora of info on the Anabolic Burst diet in the archives. I and many others tried this diet.

Let me summarize what the general conclusions were. In theory, it works, but in real life, most people do not stick to the 2 weeks of strict calorie deprivation as meticulouslty as laid out. And, from one individual to another, the lengths of the bulking vs. the cutting periods has to be adjusted according to one's own genetic/metabolic constitution... it's not as cut & dry as "2 weeks each." Basically, most people end up getting fat trying this diet.

That said, if you haven't given it a shot yourself yet, you should, if nothing else than for the unique experience and fun of the bulking phase... it really feels great to shove food down your gullett 24/7 and see your body explode with growth. It's downright amazing actually.

 

[ajtomasi]

So, you're saying it works, but you'll end up a lard ass?

 

[b fold the truth]

I used to use the ABCDE program several years ago. I bulked for 3 weeks then cut for 2.

Bulk: Eat everything in sight, no cardio, heavier weights, gain 7 pounds

Cut: ONLY clean foods, cardio lightly 3-4x per week, slightly lighter weights (shorter rest periods), lose 4-5 pounds

I just bulk now

B True

 

[casualbb]

Well if you do ABCDE and then go do a split routine during the bulking cycle most of the gain will be fat because a split routine doesn't provide much system-wide growth stimulus. By comparison, if you are able to create a muscle growth demand in all muscles and sustain it for the two weeks of bulking (a la fullbody routines) then the growth should be phenomenal, with less fat.

I never tried it because I can't stand starvation.

-casualbb

 

[JollyRogers]

omg excellent artical, im reading all of it, cycle protien up 3 days like 300 g down to 60 g for 3 days get your nitro up then shut it down with low g take, neato, ...lol you have to read it yourself.

 

[edgecrusher]

Dan Duchaine wrote an article about this program as well. To follow it to the letter and stay lean, you have to have a rather fast moving metabolism, if you don't you will probably end up putting on a good amount of blubber.

 

[Needhelp]

Well I have a pretty fast metabolism, I think. So you guys are saying a full body routine rather than monday chest/tris tuesday back/bi's, etc. would be better?

Like a 3 day full body routine or more days than that? High volume?

I think the article recommends a normal split but very high intensity then a full body routine with higher reps for the cut....

I'm definately gonna try this during the summer though--gonna bulk with a normal diet and split first--that way I can tell if the gains from this are real or just beginner gains.

 

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[Needhelp]

t-mag wrote an article ( http://t-mag.com/html/body_59abcde.html ) with an updated version, they made.

It seems more geared towards fat loss than maximum muscle gain without minimal fat gain.. And there's is a lot more complicated.

If anyone has tried the original ABCDE, please post or if you just have suggestions.

 

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[Cuts]

What's your bf% at right now? Cuz I wouldn't recommend anyone who's over 15% to try it, since it's almost certain that you'll end up gaining fat

 

[Needhelp]

Not for sure what it is now.. i'm 170lbs @ 6ft, 31inch waist. I can see cuts in my abs, but not the lower abs.. (starting to go away though)

I want to bulk (pretty clean bulk) for 3 months though before I try this, so I hopefully get to around 180lbs in 3 months with minimal fat gain.

In the articles they say you actually lose fat.. Probably not someone with a slow metabolism, but wouldn't it be possible if you had a fast metabolism--I think I do.