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jenscats5
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Enough to tell me if an estimate I got is reasonable??
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jenscats5
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SoKlueles said:ty
i know he would make alot of money doing that and he did a good job, hey jen u want me to get him to do ur concrete for u?
Well, I don't think your dad lives around me.....does he??
It's not just a pour -- it's removal, support, pour, etc....
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jenscats5
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SoKlueles said:
It's a front porch -- attached to the house. The concrete pad needs to be jackhammered up, then a form be laid down & support posts put in. Then rebar needs to be installed, then concrete poured. Once the 'crete sets up for about 7 days -- the support posts will be removed.
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jenscats5
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buffer1 said:
The estimate is $6486.....
It's a front porch -- the concrete is a suspended slab, which is currently cracked. They would jackhammer the current slab out & remove all debris. Then they would lay down plywood (3/4") and support posts, then #4 rebar, 12" on center. They would then pour a new concrete slab. This would take 2 days to do all this.
Then after 7 days, they'd come back & remove the support posts which are in the basement and apply Swell Stop around the perimeter to preven water leakage & caulk the joint between the new pad & existing foundation.
sorerotators
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ouch!... that sounds high. don't know your location but that sounds pretty high for that kinda work in Michigan anyways.
get a few more estimates.
get a few more estimates.
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jenscats5
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sorerotators said:
Well, I plan to get more estimates....but I've called 10 concrete co's so far & only 1 returned my call/came out for the estimate..... I guess companies don't want work...
wutangnomo
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You're leaving out an important piece of information (though I may have missed it). What size area are you having done?
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jenscats5
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wutangnomo said:
It's a rectangular front porch -- 13' x 5'8"
Not sure how many inches thick they will pour it tho....
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jenscats5
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HumorMe said:
Well they have to jackhammer the thing apart -- remember it's sort of connected to the house & surrounded by the foundation walls.....then build a support & form, install rebar, pour concrete, then remove all the forms & supports.... that seems like a lot of work to me...
Too much??
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jenscats5
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HumorMe said:
Yeah, but all they had to do was pour over a solid surface (ie the dirt/ground under the paved part of the driveway).
The porch is a suspended slab over my basement..... wouldn't that make a difference?? The underside of this concrete slab is the ceiling of my basement.
Could you get the next estimates split between the demolition and the rest of the work? Maybe you can do that yourself (hire cheap laborers to demolish for 1 or 2 days) and take off a good $1000. It sounds complicated with the "suspended" part, so that may not be an option. If it is a viable route, then just ask what it would cost if the place is cleared or cleaned? Who knows, maybe they're charging you $2k for that.
Don't forget the dumpster rental!
Don't forget the dumpster rental!
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gonelifting said:
Well I don't know any "cheap laborers" and demolishing it isn't something I want to do myself due to the fact that 1 misstep by me & the front wall of the house might fall down. This pad is attached to the front wall of the house. I've never, ever used a jackhammer.
I'm going to call around tomorrow to see if I can get anyone else to come out. Again, I've called numerous places with 1 response so far.
You know what?? I'm gonna take pictures tomorrow & post 'em so you guys can see what I'm talking about.
Just for the hell of it. I know you don't have the thickness yet.
http://www.cyberyard.com/calculators/index.php3?dealerid=&view=2
http://www.cyberyard.com/calculators/index.php3?dealerid=&view=2
GoldenDelicious
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it sounds expensive. youre talking about 8 square metres of concrete, for goodness sakes.
concrete like yours will likely be about 150mm in thickness (6 inches, standard), but lets say, just for the hell of it, that youre going to average 250mm (10 inches thick) because the perimeter of the concrete is a little thicker (usually only 200mm around the edges).
now, concrete sells for around 160 australian dollars per cubic metre, and i really cant see it costing more over there - since i live in a fairly remote place and im already paying a huge premium for shipping. so, youre up for a bit over a hundred bucks US for concrete.
then you need 16 square metres of grid mesh, which is 3 sheets (they come standard at 2.4 metres by 4.6m i think... at 70 bucks a sheet, so that you can have double meshed concrete - and i cant see this being more than youd pay there
pouring the concrete will take one concreter with one truck, with a concrete pump (if its up higher than the truck, which i assume it is - and they usually ahve a minimum charge plus an hourly rate. from memory its about 300 bucks as their minimum charge, and its 110 an hour...so youll be paying the minimum rate of 300 (or whatever it is over there)
formworkers usually do much bigger jobs than 8 square metres (the slab im on now is 300 square metres and had 70 loads of concrete delivered to do teh job) and so you really cant go off the standard $30 a metre price they give - but withoug a doubt, forming the place up will take a couple of guys less than a day to do.
jackhammering the slab is nowhere near as difficult to do as you think - what theyll likely do is get a diamond saw and cut alongside the house, chopping through the slab/steel bars until the porch is semi freestanding, and then rip it apart either with a large rockbreaker (if they can get it in there) or a large jackhammer. again, it isnt as much work as you think it is. a couple of days work, max.
taking down the formwork is usually included in the formworkers price.
something i must be missing is what sort of columns are they going to use? the existing onese? what are they made of?
anyway as you can see, you should probably look into the price a bit more. draw up a diagram and take a couple of photos, and use those to get a quote, so that people dont have to come out and take a look. failing that, do things individually by yourself - get a quote from a demolition company, a formworker and a concreter...though formworkers and concreters usually work hand in hand
good luck, and dont get ripped off.
oh and matt should be a bit speccier on the prices youll pay over in the states
cheers
concrete like yours will likely be about 150mm in thickness (6 inches, standard), but lets say, just for the hell of it, that youre going to average 250mm (10 inches thick) because the perimeter of the concrete is a little thicker (usually only 200mm around the edges).
now, concrete sells for around 160 australian dollars per cubic metre, and i really cant see it costing more over there - since i live in a fairly remote place and im already paying a huge premium for shipping. so, youre up for a bit over a hundred bucks US for concrete.
then you need 16 square metres of grid mesh, which is 3 sheets (they come standard at 2.4 metres by 4.6m i think... at 70 bucks a sheet, so that you can have double meshed concrete - and i cant see this being more than youd pay there
pouring the concrete will take one concreter with one truck, with a concrete pump (if its up higher than the truck, which i assume it is - and they usually ahve a minimum charge plus an hourly rate. from memory its about 300 bucks as their minimum charge, and its 110 an hour...so youll be paying the minimum rate of 300 (or whatever it is over there)
formworkers usually do much bigger jobs than 8 square metres (the slab im on now is 300 square metres and had 70 loads of concrete delivered to do teh job) and so you really cant go off the standard $30 a metre price they give - but withoug a doubt, forming the place up will take a couple of guys less than a day to do.
jackhammering the slab is nowhere near as difficult to do as you think - what theyll likely do is get a diamond saw and cut alongside the house, chopping through the slab/steel bars until the porch is semi freestanding, and then rip it apart either with a large rockbreaker (if they can get it in there) or a large jackhammer. again, it isnt as much work as you think it is. a couple of days work, max.
taking down the formwork is usually included in the formworkers price.
something i must be missing is what sort of columns are they going to use? the existing onese? what are they made of?
anyway as you can see, you should probably look into the price a bit more. draw up a diagram and take a couple of photos, and use those to get a quote, so that people dont have to come out and take a look. failing that, do things individually by yourself - get a quote from a demolition company, a formworker and a concreter...though formworkers and concreters usually work hand in hand
good luck, and dont get ripped off.
oh and matt should be a bit speccier on the prices youll pay over in the states
cheers
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jenscats5
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^^
There are no supports under it right now other than wood which is sagging due to the weight of the concrete. The wood will be removed & temporary supports will be installed to hold it up till it's cured.
The estimate I got today was specifically a concrete company.
They said there is no plan to disturb the existing brick walling that surrounds the pad on 3.75 sides.
I'll post up pics tomorrow.
There are no supports under it right now other than wood which is sagging due to the weight of the concrete. The wood will be removed & temporary supports will be installed to hold it up till it's cured.
The estimate I got today was specifically a concrete company.
They said there is no plan to disturb the existing brick walling that surrounds the pad on 3.75 sides.
I'll post up pics tomorrow.
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Ulcasterdropout
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it's pretty hard once it dries
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jenscats5
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Ulcasterdropout said:
like my head!!
Is it a possibility to install a wooden decklike structure? It's a porch correct?
OK I'll wait for the damn pics.
OK I'll wait for the damn pics.
GoldenDelicious
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wait...so its pretty much already boxed in by a surrounding wall? seems like a pretty straightforward job. also seems like there are a lot of cheaper options. MUCH cheaper options. why not use decking? and if its surrounded on so many sides, why not use fibro-cement (ie high density sheet cement) as your formwork material, and leave it in place? (you get a better finish on the underside, and its less drama)
6 grand seems like a lot of cash to spend on a porch.
6 grand seems like a lot of cash to spend on a porch.
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gonelifting said:
I guess I technically could install wood. But I also don't want rain to get down in the basement thru the wood either.
It's a porch or "stoop" attached to the front of my house. 1 side is the front wall which has the front door there, the wall dividing my house from the neighbors, the front wall to the street with steps & the wall to the other house.....
GoldenDelicious
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well whats wrong with the existing concrete, exactly? you said it was cracked, but from the picture i have in my head, with the right sort of bracing, you could just pour straight onto the existing slab at a much thinner thickness (ie 50-75mm) and get the same result...unless that is going to make a step that you just cant live with
you need to post some pics
and of the slab, too
you need to post some pics
and of the slab, too
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GoldenDelicious said:well whats wrong with the existing concrete, exactly? you said it was cracked, but from the picture i have in my head, with the right sort of bracing, you could just pour straight onto the existing slab at a much thinner thickness (ie 50-75mm) and get the same result...unless that is going to make a step that you just cant live with
you need to post some pics
and of the slab, too
I will do the pics tomorrow, but you all have to promise to come back here to look at them....
wutangnomo
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This is really difficult to estimate given the level of work required. If it is part of your existing foundation then I can understand the cost, as it will require some very specific demolition.
Essentially what you're saying is that underneath the porch lies your basement (or part thereof). In that case the cost seems somewhat reasonable. You are paying more for labour then the concrete though.
Will this concrete "slab" be attached to your house at all? (It must be).
Essentially what you're saying is that underneath the porch lies your basement (or part thereof). In that case the cost seems somewhat reasonable. You are paying more for labour then the concrete though.
Will this concrete "slab" be attached to your house at all? (It must be).
My guess is 26, 27 tops. Maybe 43, but I highly doubt it.
or 8.
or 8.
Testosterone boy
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I just bought diamond blades on ebay in 9", 12" and 14".Much larger onew were readily available. The seller I liked is a manufacturer selling older blades...NED I think is their name.
Buy a 20 diamond blade and the rest is easy.
OK....other ideas:
Have a man call for quotes. Many guys have figured out that working with women is a difficult proposition at best.
Or...let them know you have a figure and they will be right out. Say something like the neighborhood is upset because I can't sun myself there anymore. You get the idea.
The price seems high to me. There are also ways to fix cement, I would thoroughly check into that.
Look at some work done by any contractor you are interested in. Talk to references or something to make sure they are reputable.
A lot of contractors suck.
Pay the cement company yourself and get some of their better cement. Doesn't cost much more and it is much better.Contractors will normally buy cheap cement if left to their own devices.
Be patient....lots of options. Lots of money being spent here. I would grant sexual favors for that much.
Buy a 20 diamond blade and the rest is easy.
OK....other ideas:
Have a man call for quotes. Many guys have figured out that working with women is a difficult proposition at best.
Or...let them know you have a figure and they will be right out. Say something like the neighborhood is upset because I can't sun myself there anymore. You get the idea.
The price seems high to me. There are also ways to fix cement, I would thoroughly check into that.
Look at some work done by any contractor you are interested in. Talk to references or something to make sure they are reputable.
A lot of contractors suck.
Pay the cement company yourself and get some of their better cement. Doesn't cost much more and it is much better.Contractors will normally buy cheap cement if left to their own devices.
Be patient....lots of options. Lots of money being spent here. I would grant sexual favors for that much.
If you could post pics of the site it would help. Can you somehow get pics and post pics of the site in question?
Pics would help. Pics of the site.
Pics would help. Pics of the site.
wutangnomo
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Is underneath your porch the cold cellar? Usually it is.
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wutangnomo said:
Cold cellar?? You mean coal?? I think it used to be the coal cellar, yes....
Took pics...uploading in 1/2 a sec....
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jenscats5
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Here are the pics.
The very top step (where it looks like it's been repaired) is part of the slab:
See how the brick wall is being pushed out??
The 2 lower windows are in the basement:
The cracks:
Basically the porch. My goal is to eventually enclose it, to make it a sun porch for 3-4 seasons.
The very top step (where it looks like it's been repaired) is part of the slab:
See how the brick wall is being pushed out??
The 2 lower windows are in the basement:
The cracks:
Basically the porch. My goal is to eventually enclose it, to make it a sun porch for 3-4 seasons.
wutangnomo
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Ok now that I see the pics it's a lot clearer now.
Few q's:
Will they be demolishing all that brick as well, then replacing it?
Are you going to be replacing everything in that front porch (concrete slab, steps, and brick)?
Is there any water leakage due to those cracks?
Is there any instability anywhere? (Looks to be a quite stable structure)
Why can't you just build an enclosure right now as it is?
Concrete will almost always crack with time. Those cracks seem quite minimal, which you can easily seal up yourself (some concrete refiller and dab it in ... Home Depot). You can then tile over the concrete. The estimate you got seems quite high now.
Few q's:
Will they be demolishing all that brick as well, then replacing it?
Are you going to be replacing everything in that front porch (concrete slab, steps, and brick)?
Is there any water leakage due to those cracks?
Is there any instability anywhere? (Looks to be a quite stable structure)
Why can't you just build an enclosure right now as it is?
Concrete will almost always crack with time. Those cracks seem quite minimal, which you can easily seal up yourself (some concrete refiller and dab it in ... Home Depot). You can then tile over the concrete. The estimate you got seems quite high now.
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All right, these pics are from the basement, underneath said slab. The slab is being held up by 2 support posts that we put in as the wood holding up the slab is giving way, ready to take out our water line.
Entrance to "the area" which I believe was the old coal cellar.
The wood is shot, IMO, hence needing replacement instead of repair. The water comes thru the cracks when it rains, hence all the water stains.
Entrance to "the area" which I believe was the old coal cellar.
The wood is shot, IMO, hence needing replacement instead of repair. The water comes thru the cracks when it rains, hence all the water stains.
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wutangnomo said:
Look at the pics from the basement. The supports appear to be shot.
That's such a cute porch. I like it.
It looks like nine/ten inches thick.
It looks like nine/ten inches thick.
wutangnomo
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From the looks of the other pics you're looking at roughly 2.5-3 cubic yards of concrete. Roughly the cost of concrete + forming + pouring is around $90-$120, give or take. Mind you this varies as you're in the US and I'm in Canada. The rebar itself should not cost you much as you will not need more then two 20' bars (cheap). #4 rebar is quite standard. Plywood, cheap as well (yours is rotting). Since they are working around your existing brick structure and won't be touching it, I'd now say that your estimate is quite high. Likely more in the $3000-$4000 range, though tough to say as I can't physically be there to inspect it for myself.
GoldenDelicious
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right. gotcha. if it were me, i would:
get the plans for your house (blueprint or whatever you call it over there) and get on the phone to a structural engineer. get them to come and tell you how viable/easy/hard it is to prop up the slab from below (the people doing the job will obviously have the right props to do this...there are some cooooool hydrolic ones out there but chances are tehyll just use normal screw props) and replace the wooden beams with steel ones (some thick C channel is probably about right). of course youd have to rip all that wood off as well, exposing the concrete, which you could either paint or plaster.
then seal the cracks in the slab with some flexible waterproof compound (whatever you would call it over there) and then tile over the top...or even just leave as is, so long as the compund you use isnt really really ugly
youll probably have enough change from the 6 grand to make your porch into a sunroom, unless im missing something...and i dont think i am, really.
get the plans for your house (blueprint or whatever you call it over there) and get on the phone to a structural engineer. get them to come and tell you how viable/easy/hard it is to prop up the slab from below (the people doing the job will obviously have the right props to do this...there are some cooooool hydrolic ones out there but chances are tehyll just use normal screw props) and replace the wooden beams with steel ones (some thick C channel is probably about right). of course youd have to rip all that wood off as well, exposing the concrete, which you could either paint or plaster.
then seal the cracks in the slab with some flexible waterproof compound (whatever you would call it over there) and then tile over the top...or even just leave as is, so long as the compund you use isnt really really ugly
youll probably have enough change from the 6 grand to make your porch into a sunroom, unless im missing something...and i dont think i am, really.
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GoldenDelicious said:
Got a guy coming over in about 30 mins who does Porch Enclosures to take a look -- may be easier to do this all @ once....
GoldenDelicious
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maybe. get quotes.
structural engineers are fairly specialised.
you probably should get your husband to talk to the guy (i know its sexist, but still) since the price goes up when fussy people (ie women) are involved.
good luck j, if he tries to rip you off, we can organise a beatin'
structural engineers are fairly specialised.
you probably should get your husband to talk to the guy (i know its sexist, but still) since the price goes up when fussy people (ie women) are involved.
good luck j, if he tries to rip you off, we can organise a beatin'
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GoldenDelicious said:maybe. get quotes.
structural engineers are fairly specialised.
you probably should get your husband to talk to the guy (i know its sexist, but still) since the price goes up when fussy people (ie women) are involved.
good luck j, if he tries to rip you off, we can organise a beatin'
Well, my hubby can't be here cuz his job requires him to travel.....
OK, the guy who just looked at it said it's beyond his ability to do something like this, but knows a guy who does concrete work -- he called & will be over @ 2pm.....
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Alll-righty then!! I'm finding out that most contractors will NOT do work where I live.....so I may have to go with estimate #1.
I'm getting "Oh, we don't do work in X area." sighhhhhhhhhhh
I'm getting "Oh, we don't do work in X area." sighhhhhhhhhhh
GoldenDelicious
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why not?
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Gambino
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didn't see this post earlier, too lazy to read all the posts
hit me with the info and i'll get a quote by tommorrow
hit me with the info and i'll get a quote by tommorrow
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GoldenDelicious said:
Cuz of the permits required I guess.... I guess most contractors don't want to have to bother to get them....and they're pretty tough about it. L&I drives around looking for work being done to cite people....
G -- you're going to have to read the posts for the info.
Testosterone boy
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Gambino said:
You need to do this.
Gaybino is in that type of business. Since he wants to get lucky in '05, a smokin' deal may be available.
I think the thing can be fixed. Cement always cracks and your cracks are not that bad.
Support the hell out of it. It would take me a solid week end to be able to support the elephants of Ringling Bros plus that slab of cement. Plus patch the crack and put some good tile over the whole thing.
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Testosterone boy said:
The 2 rafters/beams that support the whole thing also have termite damage, which is not good. Plus the wood underneath the thing is all F'd up and it's aobut to take out my water line.
I don't think we can avoid it being replaced.
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jenscats5 said:
how many sq feet is the porch?
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Gambino said:
In one of my posts I think I posted the measurements..... approx 13' long by 5'8" wide.....
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Gambino
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as well jen you should buy a construction calculator, you can figure yards and rafters
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jenscats5
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Gambino said:
Which would do what?? I can't do this myself.......I figure the labor on something like this would be the most expensive part....
Testosterone boy
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If I had a construction guy willing to listen to me, I would answer all of his questions.
But thats just me.
But thats just me.
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Testosterone boy said:
And what didn't I answer??
GoldenDelicious
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jen, youre screaming to get ripped off. your above paragraph, in builders speak, translates to "take my money, please, PLEASE take my money"jenscats5 said:
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Gambino
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i printed the stats listed on post 7, plus the size.
this will depend on thickness so i will go with standard.
labor cost will be subjective on who you hire.
you seem pretty hands on maybe you could rent a jackhammer
and do it yourself?
I will try to remember to do this tommorow...
this will depend on thickness so i will go with standard.
labor cost will be subjective on who you hire.
you seem pretty hands on maybe you could rent a jackhammer
and do it yourself?
I will try to remember to do this tommorow...
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jenscats5
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Gambino said:i printed the stats listed on post 7, plus the size.
this will depend on thickness so i will go with standard.
labor cost will be subjective on who you hire.
you seem pretty hands on maybe you could rent a jackhammer
and do it yourself?
I will try to remember to do this tommorow...
OK cool thanks!!
I've never used a jackhammer
The very top step is 10 inches, which, I'm assuming is the thickness of the slab....
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GoldenDelicious said:
I'm going to start throwing money out the window
What my main concern is, is that I want to enclose the porch. So with it being out of alignment & still shifting, with the cracks, etc - I don't think it's wise to install windows in the condition it's in now....
Testosterone boy
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Creepusmaximus
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You have a big job there believe it or not. I would worry about going with the cheapest bid.
Wood holding up the porch is shot. Needs to be replaced.
Porch can leak water into basement. Makes things harder to do. Looks like the wood rotted from water to me. Half ass job will not work for years to come.
On the other hand, if you enclose the porch water will be less of a problem.
That job is fairly hard to do and it will cost some bucks to get that done. You'll be paying for mind power not materials. I can't see under $5000 BTW.
Wood holding up the porch is shot. Needs to be replaced.
Porch can leak water into basement. Makes things harder to do. Looks like the wood rotted from water to me. Half ass job will not work for years to come.
On the other hand, if you enclose the porch water will be less of a problem.
That job is fairly hard to do and it will cost some bucks to get that done. You'll be paying for mind power not materials. I can't see under $5000 BTW.
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Creepusmaximus said:
That's exactly what happened.....the cracks have been there for years & are getting worse. When I walk on where the one big crack is -- the concrete moves when you step on it...... When it rains, the rain comes into the basement, thus rotting wood already damaged by termites.
The goal is to enclose the porch with an entry door & windows, which I can't do with it in the condition it's in now. The Enclosure Guy who looked at it yesterday said it would be easy to enclose, once it's squared up & in good shape.
jenscats5 said:
Then you should really consider a wooden structure covered by plywood and tile over it, to replace the concrete . If you enclose everything, it should be fine. You might have it enclosed with the wooden floor for the same price as the concrete only.
wutangnomo
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Like I said, your actual materials isn't very costly as your area of coverage is very small. Plywood, concrete, rebars, sealant, etc are all quite cheap. It is the labour that will kill you.
You will be needing around 2.5 cubic yards of concrete. The fact that your concrete is actually wobbling and moving around when you walk on it indicates some serious problem, which you will have to replace. Don't bother trying to salvage the existing concrete, as that will only end up costing you more then simply scraping the existing one and building a new porch. You can build an enclosing porch to cover it, but I would think that in the long-run you will eventually have to replace the concrete anyway.
I also suggest instead of using wood beams as supports, use a couple steel poles to the structure. Won't have to worry about rotting in that case.
You will be needing around 2.5 cubic yards of concrete. The fact that your concrete is actually wobbling and moving around when you walk on it indicates some serious problem, which you will have to replace. Don't bother trying to salvage the existing concrete, as that will only end up costing you more then simply scraping the existing one and building a new porch. You can build an enclosing porch to cover it, but I would think that in the long-run you will eventually have to replace the concrete anyway.
I also suggest instead of using wood beams as supports, use a couple steel poles to the structure. Won't have to worry about rotting in that case.
Testosterone boy
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If you are going to enclose it, I might suggest a wood floor instead of a concrete one for so many reasons.
If you can get Tuc to stand on it, perhaps insurance will cover the damages? Just an idea.
If you can get Tuc to stand on it, perhaps insurance will cover the damages? Just an idea.
If you get a builder/contractor other than a concrete guy, you'll probably have more luck with him working in your area. It would no longer be a concrete job other than the demolition.
Do it!
Wood. wood
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and enclose it at the smae time, it'll cxost you even less. Do it.
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I enclosed my porch that was open on three sides and is now a part of my living room. It was wood to begin with, so it was'nt as bad, but I did it and it's well worth it. You won't be knocking out your existing front wall like I did though. (to make the room bigger)
Wood! There's nothing dictating the need for concrete anymore if it's enclosed.
Also... wood. lol
Especially since you have 10 inch thick concrete, the wood can easily be 10 or 12 inch 2X12s for great support. It's not like a 4 inch slab that you can't replace with wood. You DO have the height/thickness there.
Do it!
Wood. wood
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and enclose it at the smae time, it'll cxost you even less. Do it.
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I enclosed my porch that was open on three sides and is now a part of my living room. It was wood to begin with, so it was'nt as bad, but I did it and it's well worth it. You won't be knocking out your existing front wall like I did though. (to make the room bigger)
Wood! There's nothing dictating the need for concrete anymore if it's enclosed.
Also... wood. lol
Especially since you have 10 inch thick concrete, the wood can easily be 10 or 12 inch 2X12s for great support. It's not like a 4 inch slab that you can't replace with wood. You DO have the height/thickness there.
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wutangnomo said:
Do you mean install Jack Posts in the basement underneath??
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jenscats5
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gonelifting said:
Well, a guy who does enclosures looked at it yesterday & said he can't fix/repair it cuz it's beyond his co's ability.
I suggested the wood decking to my hubby & he said No....
And we can't knock out the existing front wall IMO due to support issues, although hubby wants to....
Got more people coming out for estimates Monday...
It would'nt really be a wood "decking" because you'll have plywood on top and tile on top of that. You won't even know what was under there after it's done. The only reason it;s concrete now is the fact it's outside. When enclosed, you'll have a normal room made of wood.
Not one person would make it out of concrete if starting from scratch. WHY? You'll be starting over once the original crete is demolished.
Maybe I'm not fully understanding.
Also, don't forget about the regular contractors as opposed to the concrete guys. Get more of their their estimates (like you just did).
Not one person would make it out of concrete if starting from scratch. WHY? You'll be starting over once the original crete is demolished.
Maybe I'm not fully understanding.
Also, don't forget about the regular contractors as opposed to the concrete guys. Get more of their their estimates (like you just did).
J
jenscats5
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gonelifting said:
Oh and the Enclosure company guy said it's no problem to enclose it once the damage issues are resolved.....
Hmmmmmmmmmm -- may have to talk to The Hub again -- cuz once it's demolished -- why not build new wood rafters then lay plywood or metal sheeting over said rafters then Concrete board over that & then tile with - say slate tiles?? Or terracotta tiles?? Something that could withstand some weather provided I don't enclose it right away..... I mean there is a roof over it & I have an awning that gets put up, so it's not exposed to a ton of weather.....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
jenscats5 said:
AWESOME! But if you do enclose it right away, it would be built slightly different and at a cheaper cost. Some things would be omitted and not done twice etc...
J
jenscats5
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gonelifting said:
True true..... *sigh* Gots some thinking to do....
Monday's to do list: begin looking at contractors....
rsnoble-im-back
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jenscats5 said:
Out here I could get that job done for less than 2k. Your only using about 1 yard so total supplies are less than $500.00. You are being bent over and fuked hard on this deal-but if you cant do it yourself that's the way it goes. any rural areas around there? Go out and ask some farmers if they know any good help that just work out of their house. Im having a 30x60' slab + all the rrebar and finish work done for $3300.00-so u tell me. Get a bf and make him do it.
J
jenscats5
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rsnoble-im-back said:
Is your slab suspended over a basement or on the ground??
I think cuz mine is suspended -- that's why it costs so much....
Don't know any farmers tho....
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