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The Varnsen

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Who are your favourites for the upcoming World Cup?

Mine are, in this order:

France
Argentina
Italia
Brazil
España
Portugal
England

The rest wont get there (to the title) certainly!
 
I love soccer. Go China. j/k. GO USA. I also love to see Brazil play.


Tomorrow, Champions League Championship Match. Don't miss it.
 
Tomorrow, Champions League Championship Match. Don't miss it.

Madrid, as always, the heavy favorite. I don´t think it´s warranted, however. I´ve watched them throughout the year in Spanish Primera Division and they have a tendency to fall asleep, especially if they score first.

If Madrid score first, I like Bayern to win. You heard it here first!
 
The Varnsen said:
Who are your favourites for the upcoming World Cup?

Mine are, in this order:

France
Argentina
Italia
Brazil
España
Portugal
England

The rest wont get there (to the title) certainly!

But Portugal will have to get by the mighty US first!! :D

I watched every minute of the Euro Cup in 2000 and Portugal played the most beautiful soccer of any team there. They were robbed in the semifinal vs. France if I remember correctly. I wasn't a big Luis Figo fan before the tournament, but I came away from it with a great deal of respect for him.

I'll be rooting for Portugal (but only a tie vs. the US, pls!) and England.
 
Well, i´m portuguese... so thanks! I think that if the squad doesn´t have injury problems and everyone is at 100%, we can easily reach the semi-finals... more than that would be really magnificent.
USA has to be respected, as a team... and i don´t want to put them out, because surprises have happened before and i don´t like to bite my tongue again... But i don´t think they´ll go through the first phase, honestly!
 
sorry, but US soccer is not even close to being on the same level as teams from Argentina, England, France, Columbia, etc.

and yes, i am fully aware that Canada has a ridiculously poor team....damn that Owen Hargreaves.
 
1- Argentina

2- Italy

3- Brazil

4- Spain

For some reasons I dont see the France team as strong as it used to be.
 
im not amazingly knowledgable but

france, portugal, spain, argentina (they NEED it), poss. italy and brazil and maybe england (i hope).

i try to play once a week.
 
bigschweeler said:
What happened to Germany? I thought they had a really good team from the last World Cup?

they just forgot to bring in new players. :D old team.....they still have a lot of skill but i dont think they stand a shot for the trophy

good thing to. screw em. they screwed us enough times :D
 
Argentina should win. They have strength all over the park, particularly in the midfield which is where world cups are won.

I think Sweden could be the bolter. Good young side but they have a tough draw.

Aurelius, i disagree with you on the Champions League. Leverkusen's only hope is to go ahead early. They don't have the fire power to come from behind, particularly without Ze Roberto who provides alot of their creativity. They have a strong midfield, but only have one out and out striker in Neuville.
 
I love world cup soccer. however I don't like the idea of watching taped games, which is probably going to be the case with the games in Korea.
 
Argentina´s midfield is impressive!!! They have Véron, Aimar, Ortega, Zanetti, Gallardo, etc... just incredible! And the attack too, with López, Batistuta, Crespo... Samuel, Ayala, Sorín in the defence... I´d say they have the best set of players... But... they don´t have geniuses like Zidane, Rivaldo, Ronaldo or Figo... if these players are "on" they can solve a match just by themselves...

Lets wait and see.

PS: i love to talk about soccer, and i expect to continue this discussion until the world cup and throughout it...
 
I watch it occasionally, never played the sport though, although a woman at the gym asked if I played. She said I had the legs of a soccer player. I thought that I just had big calves. I didn't know if that was a compliment or not, she said it was.:)
 
i also favorize argentina. imo they only can beat theirselfs, if
they are provocating red cards. then 3 co-favorites: brasil, france
and italy.

personally i'm a supporter of Internazionale Milano. I had tears
in my eyes 2 weeks ago when they lost the italian champ ships.

tonight i would say:

real - leverkusen 3-0, because leverkusen has only 2 extraclass-
players: ballack and lucio (ze roberto can't play this evening).

real is full of extraclass; maybe the defense could be better


robby
 
I use to be a kickass soccer player, I love it... Then, I move--no more soccer :(

Brazil has Rivaldo, Ronaldo, and Denilson. If Ronaldo is even at 50%, they're still a very fucking good team.
 
Look for Italy to win it after their disappointing final in Euro 2000. Their defense is always strong with Maldini, Cannavaro and Nesta but their strikers are top notch! If not the best in the world (Del Piero, Vieri, Inzaghi, Montella, Totti). Too bad they play defensively because these strikers are a force up front.

The usuals will be there...Italy, Argentina, France, Portugal yet i think Brazil, Spain, England, Germany won't do shit. I see teams like Poland and Russia doing better than usual. Look out for Poland!

FORZA AZZURI!
 
hey cure, i'm with you, forza azzurri, but, i hope trap
will let them play with more risk, and not too defensive!
with this potential you have to play offensive.

robby
 
Aurelius, i disagree with you on the Champions League. Leverkusen's only hope is to go ahead early. They don't have the fire power to come from behind, particularly without Ze Roberto who provides alot of their creativity. They have a strong midfield, but only have one out and out striker in Neuville.

I hear you. They beat Barça by getting ahead early then sitting back with 5 and 6 defenders allowing Barça to flail aimlessly on the pitch. Then with Zidane, Raúl and Figo mounted several dangerous and one successful counterstrike.

Leverkusen, however, is not Barça. They, unlike los azulgrana, can mount a cohesive and consistent offensive attack and have the TEAM that Barça lacks. Combined with Madrid´s tendency to go to sleep after going ahead, I see them buying into the "centenario" hype and believing they are destined to win and need not play the entire 90 minutes, especially after Leverkusen comes out flat during the first 20 minutes.
 
Aurelius, are you spanish? I lived for 6 months in Barcelona and you´re the first spanish i see that can express himself well in english... Congratulations, you´re unique in your kind! ehehe...
 
Womens Soccer is the Only female Sporting event I enjoy watching.
They play so aggressive, that from a distance it's hart to tell that it's not Men.

We have a station that broadcasts WUSA games every Sat afternoon. Some of those women are ripped yet still ladies.
 
i have to say my statement about a 3-0 for real was somewhat
wrong! leverkusen played very well, real disappointed. but
the difference was the extra class zidane. his goal made me
dream!

robby
 
I disagree on Italy's chances at the World Cup. They have a world class defense and world class strikers, but they will be cut to pieces in the midfield. Their midfield is terrible; De Livio, Di Biaggio, Panucci etc, they just don't have the class in the midfield to win enough ball.

Argentina, England, France will kill Italy in the midfield.
 
vinylgroover said:
I disagree on Italy's chances at the World Cup. They have a world class defense and world class strikers, but they will be cut to pieces in the midfield. Their midfield is terrible; De Livio, Di Biaggio, Panucci etc, they just don't have the class in the midfield to win enough ball.

Argentina, England, France will kill Italy in the midfield.


depends how the midfielder are going to organize themselfs. if
everybody of the midfielder plays solid, with pressing, their
strikers will reveice chances to score. of course there is no zidane,
no beckham etc., but the great advantage of italy can be their
overal compactness with a strong defense and extra strong strikers.
 
yeah, but i think they should be strong enough that in every game
the strikers should have their goal chances and vieri, montella or
del piero are such cool players, they won't miss.
 
I think it will take a hell of a team to beat France, much as it grates on me to say it (being English).
Just look at the mid-field, Zidane & Viera through the centre will rule every game, and with strikers like Henry and Trezeget(sp?) they'll be banging them in too.
And they are also strong in defence. i just can't see many teams able to beat them... Maybe Argentina, but it'll be an awesome game.
I think England will do well, if Beckham and Dyer are ok, looks like Gerrard is a major loss to the team, he needs surgery on a groin(??) injury. And i think that Emile Heskey is a complete donkey, he shouldn't be going in my opinion, unfortunately we're on fairly slim pickings for strikers :(.
Look for Joe Cole and Ashley Cole to have an awesome world cup, i think they are both going to do very well.

Cheers,

Stu.:beer:
 
I think France have so much quality at the moment that they could field two whole teams that would make it to the final eight.

Stu.
 
yepp, the potential of france is just stupid! i you look at the
youngsters like cissé, incredible. for the world of soccer i hope
beckham will be ok! stuey01, during the championsships you could
be the comforter of the lonely victoria, lol. tell me something,
do the english supporters love or hate david?
 
Love him in an Enland shirt, hate him in a Man United shirt(i'm an Arsenal Fan:):)).
At least that goes for me and most of my friends.

*bursts into song*

We won the league, We won the Leauge
We won the League in Manchester..........

I think Victoria went with him to Japan/Korea :(

Stu.
 
for me david is one of the best soccer players in the last 2-3
years. i LOVE his free-kicks, just awesome. and congrats to
arsenal, they really deserved it!

robby
 
Got that right, i love his work ethic and the way he leads by example for England, he is the hardest working player on the pitch, the way a captain should be. i didn't think he would be a good captain but i was made to eat my words on that one.
I see your location says Europe, where specifically?? What club do you support?

Stu.

p.s. cheers for the congrats, Arsenal had a great season.

p.p.s you know, Man Utd finished 3rd and haven't even qualified for the Champions League next year :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
i'm living in the "sahel-zone of soccer" switzerland, lol. i support
internazionale milano, and go often to the san siro stadium to
watch games. we also have to go through qualification for
the champions league. before the last game, inter was the leader,
then they lost the last game and are now only on the third place. i hope next season inter will be able to win the champ ships (last time wonwas in 1989....long time ago). did you know, during this season, inter made an offer to buy vieira and henry? but i think they won't change. what i like on english soccer is, that it's 100%
fair play and 110% figthing spirit!and also your stadiums where
you sit next to the field without any trellis-work (sp).

robby
 
Yeah, Barca, Real, Inter, AC, everyone wants to buy Viera, i just hope he knows what side his bread is buttered and stays with Arsenal, if he wants to win trophies then he is with the right club. Look what happenned to Petit after he left, he's now languishing at Chelsea. He could have re-signed with Arsenal, bet he regrets skipping that oppurtunity now!!

Stu.
 
yeah and arsenal will be able to pay a nice salary, too.
it's funny how many french soccer players actually play in england. as i remember england doesn't love france that much
and vice versa.
there are two players from switzerland in the premier league,
henchoz in liverpool and haas in sunderland.
 
vinylgroover said:
I disagree on Italy's chances at the World Cup. They have a world class defense and world class strikers, but they will be cut to pieces in the midfield. Their midfield is terrible; De Livio, Di Biaggio, Panucci etc, they just don't have the class in the midfield to win enough ball.

Argentina, England, France will kill Italy in the midfield.


HUH? Di Biagio, Gattuso, Tommasi, Totti, Zambrotta

I don't find guys who play for Rome, Juventus, AC Milan and Inter will be cut to pieces.
 
Stuey01 said:
Love him in an Enland shirt, hate him in a Man United shirt(i'm an Arsenal Fan:):)).
At least that goes for me and most of my friends.

*bursts into song*

We won the league, We won the Leauge
We won the League in Manchester..........

I think Victoria went with him to Japan/Korea :(

Stu.

Congrats to Arsenal!

A few years back two of my favorite players were Marc Overmars and Dennis Bergkamp so I took particular interest when they joined Arsenal. That team won a League cup in 1999 or 2000, right? I was a fan of Petit as well, being instantly impressed with his effort the first time I saw him play for Arsenal. He was a workhorse for France in 98 and 2000.

Speaking of Dutch players, I used to love watching Holland play but Euro 2000 changed my mind. They replaced their clever, skilled and attacking play with recklessness and ugly physical challenges. I was glad to see them miss this World Cup. Maybe it will give them a chance to regain their former mastery.
 
To you fans of the Azzuri:

Why does your national team play so conservatively? I have to say, the worst case scenario anytime I watch Italy play is when the Azzuri get an early goal. You might as well turn the TV off; you won't be seeing any action for the rest of the game.

On the other hand, if the opponent scores first, you're treated to a good match as the Italians have to come out of their shell and show their class.

The World Cup has become so important that I think the Italians in the last 12 years or so have chosen to play not to lose. My preference is to watch teams like England that are always pressing and attacking regardless of the score. It may not be the smart way to play, but this is supposed to be the "beautiful game" after all. Italy has too much talent to always play with 11 men behind the ball.

PS: I haven't seen Italy play in two years. Maybe they've changed? I hope so.
 
Arsenal fans: Does their narrow pitch help or limit their club?


The World Cup has become so important that I think the Italians in the last 12 years or so have chosen to play not to lose. My preference is to watch teams like England that are always pressing and attacking regardless of the score. It may not be the smart way to play, but this is supposed to be the "beautiful game" after all. Italy has too much talent to always play with 11 men behind the ball.

I hear you. Sometimes England can go too far, like most premiership sides, and just launch themselves and the ball downfield in a hasty, panicy assault on the net. No control. England has no chance playing that style in Asia.
 
aurelius said:
Arsenal fans: Does their narrow pitch help or limit their club?




I hear you. Sometimes England can go too far, like most premiership sides, and just launch themselves and the ball downfield in a hasty, panicy assault on the net. No control. England has no chance playing that style in Asia.

Yes, and the injuries and 'Group of Death' don't help either.

I guess if I were a betting man, I'd have to put my money on Argentina and France. That would be quite a final.

Any thoughts on your host/home country's odds?
 
Aurelius,

You would think a narrow pitch would help Arsenal by making them improve the accuracy of their passing and ball control because they have a smaller margin for error and less time on the ball because of the crowding.

But you're not going to get that with players like Ray Parlour, Tony Adams, Martin Keown etc. They are great defenders but not highly skilled on the ball. Their midfield and forwards are all class though.
 
I just don´t see how and why England can be considered favourites for some of you guys... They have Owen, Beckam... maybe Campbell in the defence... no one else is a world class player... and even those that i mentioned aren´t the best in their positions: for example, you can´t compare Beckam with Figo, or Owen with Vieri or Ronaldo... They just wont make it!!!
 
I think they may struggle to make the second round. They are in the toughest group, and i think Argentina will go through, but i think the most important match in the group will be Sweden v England. If the Swedes beat them, they will go through. They play the same type of game as England, but i think they have better skill on the ball.
 
And the italians... yes they lack a little bit of creativity in the midfield... But they´re just SO strong in the other sectors!!! Besides, some of the attackers can also play in the midfield, like Totti or even Del Piero... Buffon; Nesta, Cannavaro, Maldini; Zambrotta, Di Biaggio, Doni, Coco; Totti; Del Piero, Vieri... Very, very strong!
 
England plays the long ball too much.
Having your mid-field launch the ball in hopes of beating out the defense is a hack strategy.

Sadly, when England combines it with foul play it can get them ahead from time to time.
 
The portuguese team is very strong, if everybody is at 100% (well, Rui Costa and Nuno Gomes didn´t play much all the season, Figo has a little injury...). But i think they don´t yet have the level of teams like Brazil, Argentina, France or Italy... I´d say we have the same chances as Spain... Portugal lacks good right/left defenders... Abel Xavier plays in the right, and he is the weekeast link! Slow, without a great deal of technique... well, atleast he´s 6"2! In the left we have Rui Jorge, who´s very good attacking but lacks concentration in the marking... besides he doesn´t have much international experience... The central defenders are big and strong, but they´re slow and perhaps a little bit too old... The anchors are too similar to one another: we don´t have a player like Vieira (although this bitch has portuguese blood, and so does Pires!). Our attacking midfielders are the best in the world: Figo, Sérgio Conceição and Rui Costa... and the attackers aren´t bad at all, as Nuno Gomes was one of the best scorers of the last Euro2000, and plays in Italy... and Pauleta was voted the best player in the french championship, where he scores an average of 21/22 goals per season...
 
Aurelius, i was just kidding with you on the english speaking subject... But you have to admit that, most of the times, it´s very funny to hear a spanish guy trying to speak in english...
 
Portugal is a very skilful side Varnsen, but do you think they have the players with the mental strength. I mean guys like Figo, Gomez and Rui Costa are renowned for switching off during matches and losing concentration. You only have to look at Figo's performance against Leverkusen the other night.

We should keep this thread going till the World Cup starts!
 
i'm also looking forward to see playing all those bruce
lee's from japan, china, corea. it will not be easy to play
against them, they will have much spirit, never stop to run
the field up and down and they know also how to treat a foot-
ball. their problem could be the tactic and the physique.

btw. how do you guys handle with your work? middle european
time matches will be at 08.30am and 13.30pm. i personally
will adapt my working times to the games

robby
 
vinylgroover said:
I'm from Australia so we have virtually the same time zone as Japan. No late nights or early mornings for me.


scott chipperfield is playing here in switzerland
and he's doing a great job. also ivan ergic plays here (basel).
juventus torino owns him, and he will have a great future.

robby
 
Good player scott chipperfield.

Look out for Brett Emerton. He's with PSV Eindhoven. He's probably our second best player after Harry Kewell.
 
yeah, australia has some good players. last year during the
matches australia-uruguay i've been down under. too bad that
they only won 1-0 at home.
 
My Daughters Hero...Mia Hamm, One Bad Ass honey...
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BO-CEPHUS: I´ve been in Barcelona, where i were too busy chasing chicks... finally i only screwed 2 in 6 months, one finnish and one italian...

Portugal´s attitude can be a problem too... We have an history of making great matches agianst the strongest and losing against the weakest, because you don´t take them too seriously... Of course everybody here thinks that that has changed, as we have players playing all across Europe in the most competitive leagues... they´ve learned something! But it´s not only the attitude... there are very very strong teams in this championship, and its still hard to compare Portugal with some of them... although we´re reaching them year after year!
England now doesn´t have Gerrard, their top defensive midfielder... and they still don´t know if they can count with Beckam at 100%... i don´t see them doing anything special!
Figo, the other day against Leverkussen, has done a very poor exhibition... but, for Real Madrid, he has played like that the whole season, while with the national team he often changes! Besides, and this isn´t very pleasant, he still carries a minor ankle injury, and he has to recover fast before the world cup!
 
Uhhh, try watching the games at 2:30AM, 5:00AM or 7:30AM. that's when they'll be on in the East coast of North America.
 
Aurelius, i was just kidding with you on the english speaking subject... But you have to admit that, most of the times, it´s very funny to hear a spanish guy trying to speak in english...

agreed.
 
You would think a narrow pitch would help Arsenal by making them improve the accuracy of their passing and ball control because they have a smaller margin for error and less time on the ball because of the crowding.

You would think... But I don´t. Class is tough enough to cover when they are bunched together, but when spread out? A smaller pitch effectively lets one defender cover a larger percentage of pitch. They would do be much better in Europe with more width. Just a thought.
 
I just don´t see how and why England can be considered favourites for some of you guys... They have Owen, Beckam... maybe Campbell in the defence... no one else is a world class player... and even those that i mentioned aren´t the best in their positions: for example, you can´t compare Beckam with Figo, or Owen with Vieri or Ronaldo... They just wont make it!!!

I agree. Although it should be mentioned that during the world cup draw the commentators over here were hoping and praying that they would not draw England. Hmm???

The English players are too tied to the premiership which, in my opinion, is the third best league in Europe. Especially their internationals need to go to Germany or (the best league) Spain and improve their skills. All the potential is there. (and money) However, the only English player I know over here is McManoman. I don´t even think he´s on the England side, is he? Silly, because he moves the ball up field almost as fast as Figo and plays with 3 of the world´s best 5 players in practice every day.
 
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