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Anyone bother with pre~cycle therapy?

Priming before a cycle is based on Paul Borreson's theory. I'm going to throw this article out there, for anyone considering using it (Written for T-Nation By Nelson Montana):

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=DA24F9C2CC70F3593983B909EC932AB7.hydra?id=462325

"Paul Borresen, editor of the Governor, has established a reputation as a renegade pharmacologist. In an effort to present the various opinions held within the fractions of bodybuilding, Testosterone published an interview with Mr. Borresen back in May 1999. Sometimes, when this industry tries to present diversified, cutting-edge information, it backfires. If you go against the grain, you can get burned. Nevertheless, the article entitled Advanced Chemical Warfare was well received, due mainly to the entertaining aspect of Borresen's maniacal, over-the-top approach to anabolic enhancement. No one — I repeat — no one on the staff of T-mag agreed with his protocol. We merely presented a point of view, albeit outrageous, from someone who was seemingly qualified. Borresen is most definitely experienced — the man is huge. Yet, some of his statements lacked scientific validity (i.e. oral insulin).

Resident steroid guru Brian Batcheldor brought up several other inaccuracies in Borresen's remarks, which led TC to reinvestigate the situation by asking Paul for verification of his alleged university degree in pharmacology. As it turns out, Paul had "trumped up" his credentials — something that even his business partners, Trevor Smith and Ian Harrison, weren't aware of. They've since parted ways with Borresen and publicly denounced him as a fraud. (Incidentally, he now goes by the title of Dr. Paul Borresen!)

Am I embarrassed? Am I going to apologize for doing that interview? Hell, no. I'm pissed! I've been fucked over, and I don't like it. It happens. There's a lot of dishonesty in the world, and we all fall victim to it in one way or another. I'm not going to repeat the accusations that Smith and Harrison are alleging. As incriminating as the circumstantial evidence may appear, I'd be willing to hear Borresen's side of the story. But it doesn't look good.

What concerns me is how this affects Testosterone magazine and me. I'm not going to get in the middle of other people's battles. If Borresen had expressed an opinion — when we interviewed him — which was based solely on experience, fine. He knows enough that it would still make for an interesting story. But don't lie to me and say that you're something you're not. What makes this escapade especially disturbing is that, personally, I found Paul to be bright, sincere, and likeable. Then again, I guess that's what makes a good con man."
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I would also like to add that recently my credentials came under attack, and the first thing that I did was send proof of them to every board owner who presently employs me, and offered to send them to every site I've ever written for. That is the reason that the allegations against me will not appear on any of the major sites - because I've proven my credentials. All of the piss-ant little sites that don't matter, I didn't bother sending my credentials to...so you still see these allegations on them.

In the case of PB, he died before ever having to really account for his fraud, of a recreational drug overdose.
 
Bro, I am cool with your credentials. You were schooled at a great University, Played intercollegiately in your sport, and have a great knowledge of anabolic androgenic steroids and peptides. I dont a flying F@#$ about MENSA... So, I am all good with your background. When it comes to disagreements about AAS and aromatase inhibitor's, two different and similarly smart people can come to alternate conclusions about efficacy and proper usage.. I just hate the name-calling I have seen in the past.. I take what you say, not as gospel, but as an important piece of the knowledge puzzle... So, keep on keeping on bro!! Your input is valued by me and others!!


OK back to thread topic. AR, are you saying that "Priming" is not a viable or effective strategy? You said that PB's "fraud" wasn't discovered. So, please clarify
 
His fraud wasn't accounted for by him (he died before answering to the charges), but it's been proven that he never had any of the credentials he claimed.

As for priming, the short story is that his method is kind of silly. Androgen receptor sensitivity increases on a hypocaloric diet, but his idea of dieting in ketosis for a month pre-cycle is silly...it's too complicated and unproductive.
 
I honestly see no reason it would work better than just doing a cycle without it. You diet for 4 weeks, then you do a cycle. Kind of silly, to be honest. Although I think lowering calories here and there, when on a cycle will help you be more responsive to androgens. But there's no reason I see that before a cycle, dieting for 4 weeks will improve the cycle.
 
i dunno^^^ if you havenot tried it you can't knock it.. its like a shock treatment really.

i know a few indiviuduals who did it and look great at .. both were anal with their diet and grew like weeds
 
i could imagine maybe a week before a cycle but not more.

THere was the ABCDE diet where it was 2 weeks low carb then 2 weeks eat yourself into oblivion. apparently it worked well.

Makes sense, you need to keep ur body surprised.
 
I know a lot of people who didn't do it, and they look great.

See what I mean? If you're anal about training/diet then you're going to look great without it. And if you look great without it, then why do it? In other words, what is the advantage? The people who do it get the same results as the people who don't, from what I've seen.

Think about it...people will look great, and never do it. And they say "I did this and it worked great"...then others do a prime (needlessly) and look great also, and therefore the prime helped? See what I'm saying? It's unnecessary and I can't see why it would produce superior results.

I suppose, the question is "What's the Science behind it"?
 
good post...

but so many factors play a role...

it simply comes down to what works... if you do it and you see better results with it.. then why not prime...? if you do it and see no diffrence then don't do it presonal prefrence really.. would i do it? perhaps but if it yeilding greating gains for me then i would. It comes down to how each person respond. Some are carb senstive others respond to high volumee training etc..
 
Zircon said:
i could imagine maybe a week before a cycle but not more.

THere was the ABCDE diet where it was 2 weeks low carb then 2 weeks eat yourself into oblivion. apparently it worked well.

Makes sense, you need to keep ur body surprised.
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A 1 week diet, maybe, and then another one maybe every 5th week on the cycle. Maybe.

Right. But that diet (from MM2k and Bill Phillips) was meant to be used without steroids, because it involved natural hormonal manipulation.

Also...I was thinking about bringing that diet up, but thought nobody would know what it was.
 
Faizakafez said:
good post...

but so many factors play a role...

it simply comes down to what works... if you do it and you see better results with it.. then why not prime...? if you do it and see no diffrence then don't do it presonal prefrence really.. would i do it? perhaps but if it yeilding greating gains for me then i would. It comes down to how each person respond. Some are carb senstive others respond to high volumee training etc..
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Yes...and no. Some people are carb sensitive, and others respond differently to medications. But I honestly think that a good...no, make that "great" diet, training, cycle, etc...will work for anyone. The shitty programs and such work for some people, but the great ones work for anyone who does them properly.
 
I'd say the best preperation for a cycle would consist of these 7 rules.

1. Have a solid foundation

2 Be in shape

3 Be well rested to prepare for the heavy training you're about to undergo

4 Have a clear schedule -- no schedule conflicts, excssive or jammed work responsiblities, etc.

5 Be clean -- having been off any other gear for at least 3 months.

6 Have everything in order -- protein, vitamins, anti e's, HC G, plus PC supps (UNLEASHED, MyogenX, POST-CYCLE, etc)

7 Have a goal. Know your workouts and meals in advance and know when you're going to stop the cycle and begin the nutritional saturation to restore HPTA.


There's all the PRE-cycle therapy you need.
 
Here's a secret, which I use with my clients (remember, they pay $200/hour):

You don't go on a cycle till you do everything else right for a full 4 weeks first.

How's that for a prime? Just do shit right.
 
i am not familiar with priming, but here are some things that lend support to this as a general concept:

first cycle often the best gains
plateaued natural trainers often make the best leaps
a period of carb depletion and slightly below maintenance calories (like dieting for a contest) will prepare the body for explosive anabolism when the restrictions are lifted
periodization approach to training
russian power lifters would fast one day a week
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Yes...and no. Some people are carb sensitive, and others respond differently to medications. But I honestly think that a good...no, make that "great" diet, training, cycle, etc...will work for anyone. The shitty programs and such work for some people, but the great ones work for anyone who does them properly.
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AGREED!!!
 
Triple J said:
i am not familiar with priming, but here are some things that lend support to this as a general concept:

first cycle often the best gains
plateaued natural trainers often make the best leaps
a period of carb depletion and slightly below maintenance calories (like dieting for a contest) will prepare the body for explosive anabolism when the restrictions are lifted
periodization approach to training
russian power lifters would fast one day a week
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But what supports any of this? You've posted unsupported claims to support other unsupported claims...
 
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