Anybody who values their freedom ought to contribute to the ACLU.........

[Viking850]

I cited one widely known case. There are many more like this. If after hearing some of the facts of the case, you agree with the ACLU on this position and think that the families of the Mexican Citizens should be given US Taxpayer money because they ended up dying in the desert while attempting to cross the border, which is a FELONY by the way, then you have lost all sense of logic and common sense.

Send them your membership fees today. They will serve you well. BTW, the ACLU team of attorney's naturally received "attorney's fees". How is that for grand theft of Arizona residents tax money?

 

[redshirt27se]

With all respect, I hope you will reconsider. Before Elite, there was virtually NO steroid discussion of the sort that we made possible for the first time ever. Also, there is a difference between a good member who participates on the site and a member who supports the site.

A good member makes thoughtful informative posts and helps the other members - we want as many good members as we can get, but the more of them that come here, the more expensive this site is to run. EliteFitness.com exists because of the generosity of our supporting members and their contributions in the form of a Platinum Membership that makes it possible to keep a site of this size online.

And the perks of a Platinum Membership are great too.

I meant no disrespect to you or your site. I just don't see myself giving out money to any boards. I don't see a great cost/benefit ratio for what I would actually take advatage of concerning the plat benefits.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Just take a look at everytime you hear or read anything about this wonderful organization. Have you EVER heard of an ACLU defending a prison guard, a cop, a Christian, someone that wants to display a manger scene on their own lawn, etc. No! and you never will. Use some common sense! This is a left wing group bent on destroying America.

How do you justify representing Mexican Citizens who attempt to ILLEGALY enter this country via the Mexican Border and end up dying of dehydration? A team of ACLU attorney's sued the state of Arizona and won a mulit million settlement. Now the Feds were forced to put up Water Towers with lights so that it will not happen again. This is the ACLU at its best!

The ACLU defends a lot of shit that I don't agree with. But they Never! defend increasing government authority.

Rights, by defintion, can only be violated by two groups: criminals and the government.

Historically, criminals have been a tiny minority that has violated the rights of an extremely small segment of any society. Government, on the other hand, has been the greatest murderer of citizens everywhere, around the world, in every society. Do you really think it cannot happen here?

So the ACLU ignores the small rights violator while fighting the big one wherever it can. And I support that.


let's talk specifics:

The Mexican example you cited demonstrates only your willingess to look at one tactical-level issue and expand that to impugn a strategic goal. granted, that is how most people discuss an issue.

The ACLU represents illegally arriving Mexcians in an attempt to get the government to change its boneheaded immigration policy, which is the result of pandering and nothing more.

the ACLU represents prisoners as a means of fighting against the drug war, a colossus of rights violating that has caused the US to have more people in prison than China in absolute numbers.

Wake up mang - unchecked, the government will fuck you up too.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I cited one widely known case. There are many more like this. If after hearing some of the facts of the case, you agree with the ACLU on this position and think that the families of the Mexican Citizens should be given US Taxpayer money because they ended up dying in the desert while attempting to cross the border, which is a FELONY by the way, then you have lost all sense of logic and common sense.

Send them your membership fees today. They will serve you well. BTW, the ACLU team of attorney's naturally received "attorney's fees". How is that for grand theft of Arizona residents tax money?

So, what you're basically saying is that you're spouting the 99% number out your ass.

Logic and common sense have nothing to do with laws. The laws are in place and we're to abide by them, challenge them and change them if need be. If the laws allow for what has been done, then blaming the ACLU for enforcing those laws is rather backwards.

After all it is the laws of AZ that have been challenged in court and the ACLU won. Now quit whining and change the laws if they're not the way you want them to work instead of spouting out unsubstantiated numbers.

 

[The Wenis]

So, what you're basically saying is that you're spouting the 99% number out your ass.

Logic and common sense have nothing to do with laws. The laws are in place and we're to abide by them, challenge them and change them if need be. If the laws allow for what has been done, then blaming the ACLU for enforcing those laws is rather backwards.

After all it is the laws of AZ that have been challenged in court and the ACLU won. Now quit whining and change the laws if they're not the way you want them to work instead of spouting out unsubstantiated numbers.

good solid argument from you and theskywalker. unfortunately both are useless. it's curling, man.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I meant no disrespect to you or your site. I just don't see myself giving out money to any boards. I don't see a great cost/benefit ratio for what I would actually take advatage of concerning the plat benefits.

What would you see if this board went away due to it being too costly for someone to keep running without financial assistance?

 

[redshirt27se]

What would you see if this board went away due to it being too costly for someone to keep running without financial assistance?

I'd see nothing.

I'd just go post on the other boards I frequent. This is not the 1st board I visit everyday.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I'd see nothing.

I'd just go post on the other boards I frequent. This is not the 1st board I visit everyday.

All boards of any content and size require significant amounts of cash to keep it running and available, just like any business. So, what you're saying basically is that you want to play in this wonderful park, you just don't want to have to pay for the freshly mowed grass, or the water it takes to keep the greeness, or the various amenities that it has.

 

[redshirt27se]

All boards of any content and size require significant amounts of cash to keep it running and available, just like any business. So, what you're saying basically is that you want to play in this wonderful park, you just don't want to have to pay for the freshly mowed grass, or the water it takes to keep the greeness, or the various amenities that it has.

That is the whole reason behind advertising and site stores. You grossly overestimate the cost of running a board. There are hundreds of boards that run for free. and I know people who personally run high traffic boards. The amount that ads sell for high traffic sites like this, greatly offset the costs, and that doesnt factor in any of the ebook and supplement sales EF does.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

That is the whole reason behind advertising and site stores. You grossly overestimate the cost of running a board. There are hundreds of boards that run for free. and I know people who personally run high traffic boards. The amount that ads sell for high traffic sites like this, greatly offset the costs, and that doesnt factor in any of the ebook and supplement sales EF does.

Site stores I can understand. I'm not sure how advertising plays into it any more. I haven't clicked on a pop-up ad ever, and the hit ratio for popups is notoriously low. Banner ads bring in some revenue, but not sufficient enough to run a large board.

I'm not sure how a board can run for free. There is the cost of the hardware, the cost of disk space, the cost of the ISP you're running from and it's related costs of bandwidth, and any cost of software one might be using for the site itself, not to mention maintenance etc.