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comebackkid
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aap, I took your word on these 2 products BF1-test&testriol from H/M gear.should I cycle them together??? doses please??? and do I need to take Arimibolan for PCT??? If so how much,how long. REALLY NEED THIS INFO. THANKS COMEBACKKID!!!
TheRide
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shape said:
You could search on AAP's name. This thread has some info as well, as well as his postings on the topic.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352899
ComeBackKid said:
Hey, I have been doing the Armabolan 3ccs weekly while during the cycle. I didn't use it for PCT. But I am going to continue to run it throughout the standard PCT length just to be safe.
I am using all three together with the dose recommended on the bottles.
comebackkid
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Thank's for the info APP, I'll post my results in a few weeks. Thanks CBK
Maverick
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Rate Member posted 02 November, 2004 21:48
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Has anyone else had any kind of bad site specific reactions to some of the HM Gear "sterile orals"? I have had extremely bad site specific reactions to both the Test-OH and Burn Free 1-Test. Though not the Aromabolan. The reaction was much worse with the Burn Free 1-Test. I think they are all great products from what I have heard but I am just wondering if anyone else has had this very disappointing experience?
Maverick
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krysuk
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Hi there - describe 'extremely bad'
We've been using Aromabolan for the past couple of weeks and find it pretty sore the day after - but just put that down to the fact that we're new to injecting and that its not going to be a pain free experience (hence injecting the muscle after we trained it so it has time to recover before we use it again)
I think I read on here that if you aren't prepared for a bit of pain with these products while your body gets used to it you shouldn't be site injecting them as site injecting is an advanced protocol?
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SANTAFEDREAM
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SITE ENHANCEMENT IS DEFINITELY AN ADVANCED TECHNIC AND SHOULD ONLY BE DONE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF AN EXPERIENCED ATHLETE, IF NOT A DOCTOR.
FORGIVE ME IF I AM ADDRESSING THIS LIKE IF YOU WERE A BEGINNER. BUT HERE ARE SOME INITIAL REACTIONS. THE AREA SITED WILL HAVE SOME INFLAMATION, IT WILL BE QUITE SORE THE FIRST FEW TIMES, A SLIGHT REDNESS AROUND THE AREA YOU SITED WILL APPEAR AFTER A DAY OR TWO AFTER INJECTING. THERE MAY BE SOME SLIGHT BRUISING AT THE POINT OF INJECTION...MENAING A SMALL DOT.
IF YOU BEGIN TO COUGH AND FIND IT HARD TO BREATHE AFTER INJECTING YOU HIT A VEIN. ALSO IF YOU BRUISE THE WHOLE AREA BUT STILL HAVE MOVEMENT OF YOUR EXTREMITES, THEN LET IT HEAL TOTALLY AND USE SMALLER NEEDLES...MAYBE A 25G 1 INCH NEEDLE. I HAVE SEEN MANY USE 22G 1.5INCHES AND THEIR ARMS ARE JUST TOO SMALL FOR THAT SIZE NEEDLE.
ANYHOW, GOODLUCK AND BE SAFE.
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CHAMPIONS ARE MADE, NEVER BORN
IF PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY, THEN FEAR IS UNACCOMPLISHED GLORY.
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Maverick
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I guess that its the site reaction problem that I am having. I am fairly experienced in these matters but I didn't realize that the products were meant to have so much site enhancement oil content. I just wanted the hormone content without the site enhancement action. I think that is the problem.
As far as bad reaction I mean that I have redness and swelling in the area with slight fever (101 degrees) for 24 to 48 hours afterward. So I feel that it is a pretty bad reaction. At least it is worse then any problems I have had with administering other products by this "method".
As I said I have not had this problem with Aromabolan but I have had it with Burn Free 1-Test and Test-OH.
Maverick
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Enzyme
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sounds like the products are dirty.
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Maverick
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I considered that but I sent them direct to ALR and he said he tested them both and both returned clean.
Maverick
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emidoohann
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I have had the same reaction as you, had fever and some abcesses. I´ve been on antibiotics. Been using steroids for 20 years, and never experimented the least problem ,but these HM GEAR
products don´t seem sterile. I purchased them at
bodybuilding.com, you the same?
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Enzyme
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maybe filtering it would help.
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Maverick
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I didn't get the from Bodybuilding.com actually. I got them from two different places, Physical Enhancement and then one was from a representative of HM Gear directly since I had a problem with the first batch of stuff.
Maverick
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krysuk
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we're about to start the testosterone-oh tomorrow and this feedback makes me a little wary
which products were you using emidoohann? and have you stopped using them now?
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bira
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Yes,I have extremely bad reaction,redness, fever for 48 hours.I am fairly experienced in site injections,shot in delts.39 celcius degree is a dangerous fever.
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krysuk
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so thats three negative posts about this gear, should we even begin our cycle?
We were pretty happy with the Oxanavar and Aromabolan
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Maverick
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krysuk,
Thats a tough one krysuk. I was very please with both Oxanavar and Aromabolan and actually Testriol also. But as I said real bad reactions to the Burn Free and Test-OH.
Maverick
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joe
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I have used test-oh, burn free and 4-ad for site work and had no problems at all. I got it at a few different places. I think these products kick. One idea I had and if you already thought of it or its a bad idea, I apologize in advance. These products have oral value. I know that may not be what you want to do but this could eliminate your bad reaction and youll get something out of it instead of not using it at all and being out the money.
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Maverick
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Rate Member posted 09 November, 2004 21:49
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Good point Joe. I think that is how I will use the remainder of what I got. Wish I could use it the other way though.....
Maverick
This is from the BTPB message board last week (which appears to have diappeared since the site redesign)
(I'm krysuk on that board) and would add into this that my training partner and I decided to try 1ml of test-oh in our left tricep to guage reaction after these negative posts (rather than the suggested 2ml) - we both experienced the same extreme reaction described here which seriously affected our workouts for the 5 days following (not to mention the pain/swelling/fever). We scrubbed with anti bacterial soap, swabbed with alchohol, swabbed the bottle before drawing with a new pin, changed needles to inject and kept everything VERY clean each time and both experienced the same reaction - needless to say we will not be repeating the experience
We've run the Oxanavar and the Aromabolan with great success so far and have been left disappointed with the reaction to the Test-oh
Just wanted to highlight these experiences as there doesn't appear to be much feedback out there from people that have used these products
For some people it may be different but this was our experience
Junior Member
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Rate Member posted 02 November, 2004 21:48
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Has anyone else had any kind of bad site specific reactions to some of the HM Gear "sterile orals"? I have had extremely bad site specific reactions to both the Test-OH and Burn Free 1-Test. Though not the Aromabolan. The reaction was much worse with the Burn Free 1-Test. I think they are all great products from what I have heard but I am just wondering if anyone else has had this very disappointing experience?
Maverick
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krysuk
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Member # 788
Rate Member posted 04 November, 2004 10:37
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Hi there - describe 'extremely bad'
We've been using Aromabolan for the past couple of weeks and find it pretty sore the day after - but just put that down to the fact that we're new to injecting and that its not going to be a pain free experience (hence injecting the muscle after we trained it so it has time to recover before we use it again)
I think I read on here that if you aren't prepared for a bit of pain with these products while your body gets used to it you shouldn't be site injecting them as site injecting is an advanced protocol?
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SANTAFEDREAM
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Member # 51
Member Rated:
posted 04 November, 2004 12:27
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SITE ENHANCEMENT IS DEFINITELY AN ADVANCED TECHNIC AND SHOULD ONLY BE DONE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF AN EXPERIENCED ATHLETE, IF NOT A DOCTOR.
FORGIVE ME IF I AM ADDRESSING THIS LIKE IF YOU WERE A BEGINNER. BUT HERE ARE SOME INITIAL REACTIONS. THE AREA SITED WILL HAVE SOME INFLAMATION, IT WILL BE QUITE SORE THE FIRST FEW TIMES, A SLIGHT REDNESS AROUND THE AREA YOU SITED WILL APPEAR AFTER A DAY OR TWO AFTER INJECTING. THERE MAY BE SOME SLIGHT BRUISING AT THE POINT OF INJECTION...MENAING A SMALL DOT.
IF YOU BEGIN TO COUGH AND FIND IT HARD TO BREATHE AFTER INJECTING YOU HIT A VEIN. ALSO IF YOU BRUISE THE WHOLE AREA BUT STILL HAVE MOVEMENT OF YOUR EXTREMITES, THEN LET IT HEAL TOTALLY AND USE SMALLER NEEDLES...MAYBE A 25G 1 INCH NEEDLE. I HAVE SEEN MANY USE 22G 1.5INCHES AND THEIR ARMS ARE JUST TOO SMALL FOR THAT SIZE NEEDLE.
ANYHOW, GOODLUCK AND BE SAFE.
--------------------
CHAMPIONS ARE MADE, NEVER BORN
IF PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY, THEN FEAR IS UNACCOMPLISHED GLORY.
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Maverick
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Member # 865
Rate Member posted 04 November, 2004 20:57
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I guess that its the site reaction problem that I am having. I am fairly experienced in these matters but I didn't realize that the products were meant to have so much site enhancement oil content. I just wanted the hormone content without the site enhancement action. I think that is the problem.
As far as bad reaction I mean that I have redness and swelling in the area with slight fever (101 degrees) for 24 to 48 hours afterward. So I feel that it is a pretty bad reaction. At least it is worse then any problems I have had with administering other products by this "method".
As I said I have not had this problem with Aromabolan but I have had it with Burn Free 1-Test and Test-OH.
Maverick
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Enzyme
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Rate Member posted 05 November, 2004 02:42
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sounds like the products are dirty.
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Maverick
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Member # 865
Rate Member posted 05 November, 2004 07:38
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I considered that but I sent them direct to ALR and he said he tested them both and both returned clean.
Maverick
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emidoohann
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Member # 649
Rate Member posted 05 November, 2004 07:56
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I have had the same reaction as you, had fever and some abcesses. I´ve been on antibiotics. Been using steroids for 20 years, and never experimented the least problem ,but these HM GEAR
products don´t seem sterile. I purchased them at
bodybuilding.com, you the same?
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Enzyme
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Member # 859
Rate Member posted 05 November, 2004 15:11
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maybe filtering it would help.
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Maverick
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Member # 865
Rate Member posted 07 November, 2004 22:08
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I didn't get the from Bodybuilding.com actually. I got them from two different places, Physical Enhancement and then one was from a representative of HM Gear directly since I had a problem with the first batch of stuff.
Maverick
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krysuk
Junior Member
Member # 788
Rate Member posted 08 November, 2004 01:29
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we're about to start the testosterone-oh tomorrow and this feedback makes me a little wary
which products were you using emidoohann? and have you stopped using them now?
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bira
Junior Member
Member # 317
Rate Member posted 08 November, 2004 03:39
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Yes,I have extremely bad reaction,redness, fever for 48 hours.I am fairly experienced in site injections,shot in delts.39 celcius degree is a dangerous fever.
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krysuk
Junior Member
Member # 788
Rate Member posted 08 November, 2004 06:13
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so thats three negative posts about this gear, should we even begin our cycle?
We were pretty happy with the Oxanavar and Aromabolan
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Maverick
Junior Member
Member # 865
Rate Member posted 08 November, 2004 20:42
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krysuk,
Thats a tough one krysuk. I was very please with both Oxanavar and Aromabolan and actually Testriol also. But as I said real bad reactions to the Burn Free and Test-OH.
Maverick
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joe
Junior Member
Member # 340
Rate Member posted 09 November, 2004 21:27
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I have used test-oh, burn free and 4-ad for site work and had no problems at all. I got it at a few different places. I think these products kick. One idea I had and if you already thought of it or its a bad idea, I apologize in advance. These products have oral value. I know that may not be what you want to do but this could eliminate your bad reaction and youll get something out of it instead of not using it at all and being out the money.
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Maverick
Junior Member
Member # 865
Rate Member posted 09 November, 2004 21:49
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Good point Joe. I think that is how I will use the remainder of what I got. Wish I could use it the other way though.....
Maverick
This is from the BTPB message board last week (which appears to have diappeared since the site redesign)
(I'm krysuk on that board) and would add into this that my training partner and I decided to try 1ml of test-oh in our left tricep to guage reaction after these negative posts (rather than the suggested 2ml) - we both experienced the same extreme reaction described here which seriously affected our workouts for the 5 days following (not to mention the pain/swelling/fever). We scrubbed with anti bacterial soap, swabbed with alchohol, swabbed the bottle before drawing with a new pin, changed needles to inject and kept everything VERY clean each time and both experienced the same reaction - needless to say we will not be repeating the experience
We've run the Oxanavar and the Aromabolan with great success so far and have been left disappointed with the reaction to the Test-oh
Just wanted to highlight these experiences as there doesn't appear to be much feedback out there from people that have used these products
For some people it may be different but this was our experience
