Anybody here use ZIP! from PF for fatloss?

[SuperOne]

Havent read or heard much feedback on this fat burner from Protein Factory, and was wondering of anybody here has used it, and what were your results?


I dont want to use drugs, so this "seems" like a good alternative to increase T3 levels, and its interesting that the ad says it doesnt surpress your natural thyroid production, and no crash when you stop. I would like to know if this is really true.



Any feedback would be appreciated.

 

[al420]

Without 'drugs' none of this stuff works IMO.

T3 is not magic, and if your BF% is not already single digit you are wasting your time w/ T3, Clen, etc.

Drugs get such a bad rap.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some reviews. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=108&cat=0&page=1#tabs (If they don;t come up, go to "reviews." 100% positive.

Also, the womens board may have more. For some reason women love it, but a lot of guys haven't tried it. I think a lot of guys can't get past the fact that a fat loss product is also not a stim.

 

[SuperOne]

Well im lean and can see almost my 6 pack, so i would say around 10-12% body fat?


I dont really diet, and was just starting to train, untill i got suspected adrenal fatigue, but would like to try a non stim fatloss product to give me an extra edge.



Nelson, if i do infact have adrenal fatigue, should i wait untill i get this corrected before trying ZIP?


And are you positive this wont mess up my natural thyroid when i quit?


Im almost positive i got adrenal fatigue from heavy use of stimulants, and also home and work stress combined. Im seeing my Doc tomorrow and have to get some costisol tests, i think im low.


Thanks.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well im lean and can see almost my 6 pack, so i would say around 10-12% body fat?


I dont really diet, and was just starting to train, untill i got suspected adrenal fatigue, but would like to try a non stim fatloss product to give me an extra edge.



Nelson, if i do infact have adrenal fatigue, should i wait untill i get this corrected before trying ZIP?


And are you positive this wont mess up my natural thyroid when i quit?


Im almost positive i got adrenal fatigue from heavy use of stimulants, and also home and work stress combined. Im seeing my Doc tomorrow and have to get some costisol tests, i think im low.


Thanks.

There's nothing supressive in ZIP but I'd still wait until everything checked out for you. ZIP does contain a teeny bit of bitter orange which technically isn't a stim but will give you a little boost. I doubt it would make a difference but again, it's always better to err on the side of caution. The ingredients in ZIP are actually HEALTHY for the thyroid (another concept that's a hard sell these days -- health) and once you stop using it it will just go back to pre-use levels.


Tell you what, show the ingredients to your doc. She what he/she says.

 

[SuperOne]

Thanks Nelson, will get a few tests done and see where im at with adrenals first. Then i will proceed to order ZIP. So will taking ZIP possibly eat up any of my muscle like T3 does? And is there a certain amount of time i can stay on it for, does it matter?


Going to test 4 x Cortisol saliva test, and re-test DHEA-S, along with complete thyroid just to be safe.


My doc is a QUACK, so basically ive had to waste all my time researching what might be wrong with me, and self diagnosing myself pretty much. I mean isnt that the doctors job?


For example he said that my hormone results were perfectly normal, and when i asked to see them my DHEA-S was 2.8 with a ref range of 7.6 - 17.4 and im 23 years old.


So i had the DHEA-S levels of an 80 year old, and he think they are perfectly normal.


That gives you an idea of my doctor, so showing him anything would do me no good.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks Nelson, will get a few tests done and see where im at with adrenals first. Then i will proceed to order ZIP. So will taking ZIP possibly eat up any of my muscle like T3 does?
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DEFINITELY NOT.


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And is there a certain amount of time i can stay on it for, does it matter?

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DOESN'T MATTER. OF COURSE THERE WILL COME A POINT WHERE THE THYROID WILL ONLY RUN SO HOT SO A BREAK NOW AND THEN, OR A LOW MAINTENENCE DOSE WOULD WORK FINE.


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Going to test 4 x Cortisol saliva test, and re-test DHEA-S, along with complete thyroid just to be safe.

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A BLOOD TEST IS BETTER.


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My doc is a QUACK, so basically ive had to waste all my time researching what might be wrong with me, and self diagnosing myself pretty much. I mean isnt that the doctors job?

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THE BEST QUOTE FROM A DOCTOR I EVER GOT WAS; "IF IT ISN'T BROKE OR BLEEDING, I'M JUST GUESSING." I RESPECTED HIM FOR ADMITTING THAT. TO A DEGREE, WE'RE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN HEALTH. BUT A GOOD DOC IS INVALUABLE -- AND HARD TO FIND.



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For example he said that my hormone results were perfectly normal, and when i asked to see them my DHEA-S was 2.8 with a ref range of 7.6 - 17.4 and im 23 years old.

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I'M SURPRISED HE DIDN'T RECOMMEND AN ENDO -- WHO ALSO TEND TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND WILL ONLY PRESCRIBE HORMONES OR SUPPS IF YOU'RE DEFICIENT.


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So i had the DHEA-S levels of an 80 year old, and he think they are perfectly normal.

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ALL THEY KNOW IS NUMBERS. BUT SOME ARE HIPPER THAN OTHERS.



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That gives you an idea of my doctor, so showing him anything would do me no good

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THEN GET WELL AND TRY THE ZIP. LETS US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK BRO. FEEL BETTER SOON.






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[SuperOne]

Thanks Nelson, will do!