Any one practice martial arts?

[solidj55]

I am a powerlifter so I dont post much on this board. I am curious about martial arts, so for all you that know about it I have some questions. First of all, I am wanting to find one that is most practical to use in Street Fights, Bar Room Brawls, etc. The reason I ask is because I will be bouncing at a bar soon and after I graduate college Ill be going to police academy. The only types of Martial arts in my area are Karate, Tai kwon do, and something called Aikedo or Hapkiedo(not sure of the spelling). Are any of these practical in real life fighting??? Also, how much would this hurt my powerlifting? Its really ok if it does because it will be worth it in the long run. How do most guys weight train when trying to be good a martial arts, also I hear that alot of cardio is done as well. Im not wanting to compete, I just want to be able to use it effectively because I know my ass will be fighting a lot.

 

[riskybizz007]

Well my uncle is (or was) a powerlifter. He was a very big dude and powerlifting was his life. Then he started running around to check out different Martial Arts and ended up in Aikedo. I've been to a few different dojos (sp?) and I like Aikedo the best by far. There are different styles of Aikedo, he goes to one that has some Aikedo mixed w/ a little JuJitsu. Awesome shit i've learned. Kung Fu is a lot of high kicks and crazy shit really not meant for big dudes. TaeKwonDo i think is the worst of all Martial Arts, really a waste of time. Karate don't know shit about it. Just know about the others and Aikedo. I think there's variations in everything w/ different instructors. Might want to check the places out before signing anywhere. I know my neighbor is a friekin tall toothpick but the fucker is untouchable. Last person (a freind) who snuck up behind him trying to scare him broke his nose as he turned around. I dont' know... just telling you what i know.

By the way i should add that he's dropped a lot of weight w/ cardio b/c he says it's necessary for speed and agility. So that might be your only drawback.

 

[solidj55]

Thanks for the info bro, I dont how much weight I can drop because im only 165lbs now lol, thats the class I compete in. But me like your uncle, powerlifting is my life lol. I dont know what Im going to do yet though. Im not much into the high(useless) kicks.
Im hoping to find something related to a wrestling/throwing punches/joint locks/grappling type thing. lol I dont even know if there is such a thing.

 

[ballast]

The only fighting style I've tried and found has good carryover to the street is Jeet Kune Do.Not many places teach this.It focus on all the combat ranges;they teach you how to initiate with a kick,do a little boxing to get close, then use the knees and elbows for a finisher.They also teach some throws and joint locks, but no groundfighting/wrestling.Out of the three you mentioned, I'd say karate is the most applicable to streetfighting and tae kwon do has the least(lots of fancy bullshit high kicks mostly).You might want to look into a good boxing coach.They'll teach you some good offensive and defensive techniques as well as getting you into awesome shape.Maybe try to find a good wrestling coach to teach you some ground techniques.These two "styles" should be about all you'll need.

 

[18echo]

check it out, dude.

no martial art is really that applicable to bring to the street. having said that, also consider that ANY style will be enough to kick your ass if the practitioner is advanced enough. but i speak specifically of the people who have reached such advanced levels that it's instinctive to them- that is to say, the ability and the speed. it takes alot of heart and commitment to reach those levels. and alot of people get discouraged when they don't become bruce fucking lee over night.

for instance, i took wushu and traditional kung-fu for quite a while. yes, there are alot of crazy kicks and shit, but when you observe the speed, strength and dexterity of the blackbelts, you see why they would be lethal on the street. not directly because of the style, but because of the physical ability they posess in having mastered it.

for about 4 months i took wing chun, a style that was actually developed by a women ( i believe). this is the style that bruce lee mastered before the creation of jeet kun do. it is probably the most applicable style to bring to the street. it involved severe speed and moving the fight in close. out of 4 months, before i developed elbow tendonitis (from drilling with speed punches), i really only effectively learned 3 or 4 techniques. these wer each very short, quick and devastating. they were really the only few i trained in. with variations in the situation, but always employing the same shit. it was drilled into my fucking head, where it still is today.

for as many people you ask, there will be some opinion promoting another style. some will say that jiu jitsu is the best on the ground, and i believe that it is. jiu jitsu fighters will tell you that q fight always ends up on the ground. others will tell you that if the fight gets to the ground, you're doing something wrong, and so on.

if there are a limited amount of schools in wyour area, i would suggest you check out who has the best instruction, and then begin to train there, no matter the style. you can learn conditioning, stamina and discipline from a good instructor. then you can move on when choices become available.

that help?

 

[riskybizz007]

The Aikedo moves that have been taught to me are very simple. Simple meaning 1 or 2 moves and that's it. Not really kicking and punching type of stuff more like you throw the punch and they'll break your wrist or elbow w/ the punch you threw. It's more offensive at least what's been taught to me. Basic theory from what i've learned is you may throw your punch or kick but i'm going to try to grab you. Once i grab you and bring you close it's pretty much over. The punch will hurt but once you grab the opponent and break his hand there's no more punching or kicking going on. It's basically like your fight lasting a few seconds and it's over. I'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm sure there's a lot of ass kicking going on on both sides, i just like the fights to end a.s.a.p. and making sure that guy aint going to get up.

Bro you're 165? I thought you were in the upper 200's. Most bouncers i've seen are humungous lol. Well you dont' really have to lose weight i don't think. My uncle is 5'11" and used to weigh like 245, now he's about 205-210 and he can do all that's required. Good luck bro and my only advice is to sit in some classes and make your decision from there. Let me know what you think when u do go, i'm curious as to your take.

 

[riskybizz007]

"no martial art is really that applicable to bring to the street. having said that, also consider that ANY style will be enough to kick your ass if the practitioner is advanced enough. "

Bro I'm not bragging or anythign like that. Just want to prove that above point. This guy was 3rd degree black belt, and I only knew very basics in different marital arts. We were always fighting verbally at work. One day we take it to the parking lot and he said if i could kick his ass he'd bow down to me, if not he'd take the $100 in that were in my pocket. Well the dude tried all the high flying kicks and aerial shit and i just kept grabbing the dude and putting him in locks he couldn't get out of. I took him 3 times. After that i lost total respect for all that fast high kick stuff. Especially when he went for a kick and i grabbed him in the air and brought him down. Very bad. Not trying to brag or anything, that aint the point. I don't know if his technique just flat out sucked, if i got lucky, or if that kung fu w/ high kicks and all that are just unrealistic in streets.

 

[solidj55]

Thanks for all the info, its helped a lot. Im thinking of trying several different classes.
riskybizz-lol yea im a small guy but i can usually hold my own. I was actually a pretty good wrestler(the real shit not WWF lol) back in the day and Im pretty strong(thats where the powerlifting has helped) so I always use that to my advantage. i just basically need to learn some shit like how to throw a few good blows rather than the usual go for the knockout haymakers that I like to throw lol. The whole joint lock aspect of Aikedo and breaking bones turns me on. If they would only teach me to throw some effective punches along with it I would be happy. Aikedo sounds the best to me because it doesnt sound like much cardio is involved and that would allow me to get stronger rather than losing weight and shit.

 

[Blood&Iron]

I trained in Bujinkan, commonly known as ninjutsu--you know ninjas--for a while and at the same dojo there were Aikido guys. Traditional Aikido takes a *really* long time to get to the good stuff, and some of their techniques are not, in my somewhat uneducated opinion, that applicable in the real world. They're real big on the bowing stuff and the formality of the martial arts. I think it's a martial art you've got to study for quite awhile for it to be useful in a fight. This is also true ,to greater or lesser extents, for ninjutsu, jujutsu, and most traditional martial arts. You spend a lot of the initial time learning to fall and so forth. But while the Aikido guys were spending time bowing to each other, we were starting to get to how to disarm someone armed with a knife, etc. That just my opinion though.

 

[riskybizz007]

Blood you do bring up a really good point. Although i do think some of Aikido is nonapplicable in society (but also depends on trainer and his technique as well), but the moves do take a long ass time to learn. I remember people telling me it took them 1 month to learn X move. That's the big drawback to it. Takes a long time to learn some moves that look so simple, it's all about maintaining center of gravity and taking opponents center of gravity and all that funny stuff. It's effective to say the least though. I know there's many martial arts out there, but of the 3 originally listed "Tae-Kwondo, Karate, and Aikedo" i would definately choose the Aikeido over the other 2. Unless maybe you could find something better but a little farther away from you.

 

[Thaibox]

Bro, something that no one has touched on is legal matters. Even though you're the bouncer, you can still get in trouble for excessive force when some drunk asshole decides to press charges against you and the bar/club. So, as you consider what to become good at, consider that. I've studied various arts for about 19 years, and the most practicle and efficient art I have encountered so far is Muay Thai. I've studied Kenpo, Aikido, Ju-jitsu, Jun Fan(jeet kune do), and Wing Chun. Each of these arts are great in their own respects but they take a long long time to reach a level of efficiency that would actually be applicable in an unpredictable street situation. Aikido is an amazing art that could dominate any street situation, if you had 15 years of training. Muay Thai was developed to be easily acquired mentally and physically in the least possible time with the most possible devistation to your opponant. Study Muay Thai and find a good Ju-jitsu dojo, then with your wrestling background, you'll have everything covered, and be able to take a fight to whichever level you choose. Train hard and enjoy it bro.

 

[Thaibox]

By the way, when you're looking for a dojo...research the prof/sensai/sifu whatever he claims to be. MANY schools are opened by twits who got their black belt out of Mad Magazine and have discovered a way to make money. Be careful and find a reputable teacher. Remember that belts don't mean shit.

 

[Johnny Auto Parts]

I took martial arts for 4 years before I started lifting. It takes a lot of patience, because the shit you learn for the first few months is so basic that its discouraging to a lot of people. The style I took was Shotokan, which is regarded as one of the most aggresive styles of Karate. I learned a lot of useful shit, and also wasted a lot of my time. My school wasn't the greatest, as we spent too much time on physical conditioning (shit i could do on my own) than actually learning technique. A lot of it has stayed with me, while other technique has faded away over the last few years. Martial arts definitely gives you a lot of insight into fighting in general, but all the training in the world may not prepare you for an actual donny brook with some scrapper w/no martial art experience at all. My roommate is a 3rd degree blackbelt @Tae Kwan Doe, and he is a nancypie. Then you have two brothers that graduated high school w/me who are expert wrestlers and ju jitsu takers...and those 2 basically beat the shit out of everyone. A lot of it depends on you, but it will get u in cardiovascular shape....i wish i was still that flexible!

 

[b fold the truth]

18echo: great points!!!!

It is not the art...is the fighter!!!!!!! Why do people lose sight of this???!!!!!!

I had a friend who trained in some sort of something and was always very cocky around me. We sparred a bit and when he could not touch me anymore and I could do tornado kicks and land them on his head...he got pissed off and told me that we were just sissy fighting and that meant nothing. So...as he said that he could take me in a real fight...I grabbed a hold of him, flipped him and held him on the ground for a while.

It is not the art...it is the fighter!!!!!!!!

B True

 

[Bigsatan13]

18echo: great points!!!!

It is not the art...is the fighter!!!!!!! Why do people lose sight of this???!!!!!!

I had a friend who trained in some sort of something and was always very cocky around me. We sparred a bit and when he could not touch me anymore and I could do tornado kicks and land them on his head...he got pissed off and told me that we were just sissy fighting and that meant nothing. So...as he said that he could take me in a real fight...I grabbed a hold of him, flipped him and held him on the ground for a while.

It is not the art...it is the fighter!!!!!!!!

B True

Well said! B, did you ever find a tire?

 

[b fold the truth]

Yes...well over 1klbs. Wish I could post a pic...can't flip it...YET.

B True

 

[Bigsatan13]

How did you get it home?

 

[b fold the truth]

It took a few of us to get it onto my flatbed trailer. Got it home, washed it and set it back by the barn. Almost flipped it on Sunday...give me a few weeks!!!

B True

 

[Azerbaijan]

BOXING is it man.
in street fights most people you face don't know shit about fighting. if you are a GOOD boxer you will take a guy out with one punch. I am a kickboxer myself, but i try to stress my arm work much more than legs. trust me aikido, kung fu, karate are all bullshit. karate especially, because in karate you don't cover your face after a punch. in aikido you fucking need 1 year just to learn how to fall right.
start boxing man. trust me.

 

[squatter]

I've taken just about everything (instructors hate this), before I finally found the shit. MMA, JJ. I've bounced for years, the real deal is JJ in my opinion. all the punch and kick arts are for the nancy foo foo girls and boys. no offense, I know there are some bad mother truckers that can kick your head off, but generally speaking, it takes way too long to get that good at kicking.

 

[riskybizz007]

BOXING is it man.
in street fights most people you face don't know shit about fighting. if you are a GOOD boxer you will take a guy out with one punch. I am a kickboxer myself, but i try to stress my arm work much more than legs. trust me aikido, kung fu, karate are all bullshit. karate especially, because in karate you don't cover your face after a punch. in aikido you fucking need 1 year just to learn how to fall right.
start boxing man. trust me.

Bro i completely disagree w/ you. I know a little bit about boxing, I've tried all those punches and shit w/ my uncle in Aikedo. His offense will not allow you to land successful punches or devestating punches i should say. And once you are close your punches are ineffective. And like i said, once you get one of those guys "in" close to you, it's over b/c they go for your eyes, ears, and your joints. And if they grab grab something you might as well call it quits right there and then. Punches are good and everything but you need space to throw the punch. Close the distance and what happens?

 

[booger]

I know a couple of guys called Smith and Wesson that can 'kick ass' on any martial arts expert.

The times they 'Hava Changed'. It's no longer the fisticuffs of the past. These days if you don't kill the enemy he may come back to kill you when you least expect it.

 

[riskybizz007]

I grew up in L.A. w/ just that problem. Conflicts w/ 1 person amount to conflicts w/ the 50 people he knows. But I'd much rather kick his ass than kill the guy, you kill the guy and either his family or his buds are gonna get you sooner or later. Now i'm living in Miami, very peaceful city compared to L.A., good thing about this state is that you can carry a gun as long as it's concealed. Maybe that's one of the reasons people don't mess around too much on the roads, who knows?

 

[mlomker]

I know a couple of guys called Smith and Wesson that can 'kick ass' on any martial arts expert.

Doubtful. You have to be very skilled with a firearm to use it well under stress. Trained police officers can fire dozens of rounds and not hit anything. If you are close and hesitate for even a moment a trained street fighter will disarm you.

I've studied Shotokan, Kempo-Goju, Judo, and kickboxing. They all have philosophically different approaches to fighting. Boxers may be good at covering their faces but in Kempo-Goju the fighting style was 100% offensive. The style was all about obliterating the opponent in the first few seconds of the fight...it usually worked. The Tae Kwan Do boys didn't stand a chance.

Judo/Aikido/ju jitsu are great forms because few people can fight once they are off their feet (myself included). I'd also be careful about Aikido and bouncing...you can't break bones as a bouncer or you'll be sued and unemployed. Judo and some of the joint locking techniques of Aikido could be useful; both arts use the opponents weight and momentum against them.

 

[b fold the truth]

I'll agree wth the TKD boys....I love sparring with them...so much fun. Put that little chest protector on and they don't know how to throw a punch...gotta love that old-school traditional TKD....

B True

 

[Lord_Suston]

I have done a lot, but as a bouncer greco-roman wrestling and aikido are the better forms to learn since you are there to throw someone out and not kill them. Don't get me wrong these techniques really fuckin hurt and can get very deadly but I have yet to see someone throw a punk out of a bar with a straight right cross. Personally I like Shotokan's motto of maximum force in minumum time and boxing's toughness, but man does wrestling fuck shit up.

 

[b fold the truth]

Man...everyone on here gots it all wrong. Pro Wrestling is where it is at. WWF baby...that's all you need to know.

I have been working on my "peoples elbow" now for a while...wait till I perfect it...you guys better watch out.

B True

 

[Thaibox]

"Do you smell..... what B-Fold is cookin'!!??"

 

[b fold the truth]

Hamburger Helper???

B True

 

[Thaibox]

And to the S&W response... if you can pull that thing out from your belt (locked & loaded) and put 3 rounds into a 2 inch group in a controlled manner in under 2 seconds you might stand a chance. Otherwise you'll be fucked. If I see a guy's hand disappear I am on him and all legal concerns are gone. You will fall. Bad argument.

 

[riskybizz007]

Just one argument about the gun issue again. I'd say 99% of the people will not squeeze the trigger when up close, especially the guy trying to take your wallet or rob your car. He just wants your shit and to get the hell out of there. And like these guys stated, you hesitate and it'll be too late.

 

[booger]

Just one argument about the gun issue again. I'd say 99% of the people will not squeeze the trigger when up close, especially the guy trying to take your wallet or rob your car. He just wants your shit and to get the hell out of there. And like these guys stated, you hesitate and it'll be too late.

I wouldn't bet my life on that...... Would you? You could find yourself in the 1% situation. More people have been killed by guns than some chop to the throat.

 

[riskybizz007]

Me personally i would just say bro here's my money and my car. Fuck it, they don't mean shit anyway. Now if he wanted to fuck w/ family, friend, or my girl i'll be Mr.Billy Bad Ass especially if i'm close to the guy. Most people i know feel the same way. But then again there are those people, and i know a few of them, that go to these Aikedo classes and go to bars on weekends looking for fights, those are the psycho billy bad asses that will try to take the gun at any given opportunity just b/c they like to send send people to the ICU.

 

[Super Girl 22]

i've been taken martial arts (taekwondo) for the last 11 years. i've been weight training for the last 3 years. the weight training affects my martial arts because i am not as flexible as i used to be. as far as street fighting, if you use what you know (from any style) i'm sure you can apply it in a street fight ...i've never been in a fight before (except a few with my brother) but i could apply my 11 years of taekwondo training to beat the living shit out of anyone!!

 

[Superbabe]

for about 4 months i took wing chun, a style that was actually developed by a women ( i believe). this is the style that bruce lee mastered before the creation of jeet kun do. it is probably the most applicable style to bring to the street. it involved severe speed and moving the fight in close. out of 4 months, before i developed elbow tendonitis (from drilling with speed punches),

Yes, women can do martial arts to. If you got tendonitis from your chain punches, I'm sorry but then you were doing them wrong.
Wing Chun is shit for the street...it relys on intial contact to get the "stick" and that hardly ever happens. Plus there's no groundwork !!! Fighting in a phonebox, maybe you'd stand a chance.....

To qualify myself, I do: Wing Chun, Mantis, JKD, Wushu. Have looked at TKD, Karate, Juijitsu, Aikido, T'ai Chi, Thai, Boxing, Choy Li, 5 animals, and more.

Martial Arts should not prevent you from being a good body builder. If the extra exersize is making you loose weight then EAT MORE. You can be large, fast, and flexible. Anyone who says otherwise is just jealous. Van damme can do the splits. Tyson can hit quick. Neither man is small.

Final bit, yeah martial arts is relevant on the street, but without the will to win/survive it's about as good as wet loo-roll.

 

[Thaibox]

Can't forget that Tom Platz, the quad master, during his prime could do full splits.

Superbabe, if you added Thai and Ju-jitsu to your "I do" list, I'd be in love

 

[Superbabe]

Thaibox....they're on the list (just not my regular thang.....) and I also enjoy arm wrestling (good solid fun).

rissybizz007, d'you mean aiku jitsu (poor spelling, I know...)

 

[18echo]

Yes, women can do martial arts to. If you got tendonitis from your chain punches, I'm sorry but then you were doing them wrong.
Wing Chun is shit for the street...it relys on intial contact to get the "stick" and that hardly ever happens. Plus there's no groundwork !!! Fighting in a phonebox, maybe you'd stand a chance.....

To qualify myself, I do: Wing Chun, Mantis, JKD, Wushu. Have looked at TKD, Karate, Juijitsu, Aikido, T'ai Chi, Thai, Boxing, Choy Li, 5 animals, and more.

[UNQUOTE]

why are you apologizing like you're correcting me about chain punches/ i didn't say it was the fault of the form. Did i run out yelling "wing chun sucks. it's bad because 4 out 5 dentists say it gives you tendonitis!" no. i just said that i happened to develop tendonitis. so what. it was just a statement to qualify my having to stop studying for a while.

and when i stated that wing chun was developed by a woman, you jump all in and are all like "yeah, yer damn right women do martial arts!" lighten up.

 

[Superbabe]

yo 18echo...I am sorry for anyone with tendontitis...it's a bitch, I get it myself (in my ankles of all places...f**king ballet).

Regarding wing chun, why does everyone feel it necessary to mention it was started by a women? It's no biggie, but every time I see wing chun it's "hey guess what, a women thought it up".

Specifically tho, doing chain punches wrong is a common cause of tendonitis and/or other elbow ailments.

 

[Elite_Fry]

does Aikido have to be done bare footed?

 

[Canadian Viking]

Good techs

Just a little bit of info from a past bouncer who is now policing. I worked in the bars for three years, big bars, usually close to 1000 people a night up here in Canada. Being sued is always an issue, breaking up fights is easy because you almost always come from behind, a good sleeper, or come from behind choke hold works best, if the person does not calm down simply apply more pressure till it's nighty night time. When they wake up they are sitting on the ground against the parking meter outside. Also a good two armed chicken wing comes in hand, with their hands in front of you there are all sorts of pain compliance points on the hand and neck, behind the bottom of the ear, corner of the eye, etc. at your disposal. In face to face combat with a large amount of people around (witnesses) the only tool you should use is common sense and trust worthy co-workers who can. yes come from behind that fighter while you argue with him. In three years, and at least 300 plus fights I can honestly say that I threw two punches and one kick, after repeated warnings someone would not let go of my earpiece because we wore wires to communicate with each other. The club I worked in held about 1000 and we usually had 10 guys on. Be careful with chokes though once they calm, immediately let loose, it's all about looks to the crowd, a hold is better than blood, and you gain respect from the crowd and usually the ejected. I've shaken many hands of people I've thrown out. Make sure there are no exceptions to the rules, every one involved go's out the door, see ya next time, friend or foe. Be LOUD. People do listen, especially if they respect you. We kept our guys elevated around the outside of the clubs and had one or two roamers who felt the crowd and watched for loud people cause they are usually fighters, Canadian beer does wonderful things to people, it's referred to Liquid Courage up here. Good luck, it can be lot's of fun and a good place to get digits if ya know what I mean.