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mhb3939 said:
"endurance" means different things to different people. To most people here it's biking 20 miles....to a real cyclist it's 75-100 miles. So what exactly are you asking here? It's the training that makes the difference, not the drug. Cyclists choose drugs based on their detectability, not their effectiveness. Are you being tested?
BigCracker
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Ben Johnson got nailed for being on Winnie V. Sounds like you might have similar strength/endurance needs? The drawback with water based injectables like V is that you need to inject daily or EOD which can be a pain in the ass after awhile(literally). Also water based AS are more likely to cause injection site infections-but the chances of this are minimized by thouroughly cleaning off the bottle's rubber stopper w/ alcohol each time before you load your pin(duh!). EQ and other oil based AS only require 1-2 pokes/wk. and will last longer in the system than water based ones. You might wanna keep that in mind if you ever have to take a drug test. I'm not sure which drugs are the quickest to exit the system so they're undetectable by UA's, but my guess is that orals and water based AS will be undetectable sooner than oil based ones-especially Deca-which is detectable up to a year after discontinuing it(probably not a favorite of a lot of pro athletes for this reason-despite it's highly anabolic/mild androgenic nature). A bit off topic-I know. But with all the recent controversy surrounding Armstrong(which IMNSHO is just too on top of his game to not be RX enhanced in some way), it may be something you want to take into consideration in the future. Good luck-in the meantime don't get hit by a car, OK?
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used2juice
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I don't know if I can still even ride a bike 
But I'm definately using enough EQ to prepare me for the day that I do end up back on a bicycle. They'll be sayin "Wow that guy sure does peddle fast, must be the EQ."
But I'm definately using enough EQ to prepare me for the day that I do end up back on a bicycle. They'll be sayin "Wow that guy sure does peddle fast, must be the EQ."
BigCracker
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used2juice said:I don't know if I can still even ride a bike
But I'm definately using enough EQ to prepare me for the day that I do end up back on a bicycle. They'll be sayin "Wow that guy sure does peddle fast, must be the EQ."
Nah. They'll just think it's your G-Unit Sneakers. lol
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satchboogie
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75-100 miles on a bike sounds like torture to me!!
i honestly cant see how anybody actually enjoys that....
i honestly cant see how anybody actually enjoys that....
BigCracker
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Dial_tone said:
Granted. But I think either could be improved upon by using V-an AS known for red muscle fiber stimulation and minimal water retention. If you know of an AS that will specifically increase my abilty to ride the stationary cycle 2 hrs straight at an incredible RPM or decrease my 1/4 mile sprint performance time please do tell.
BigCracker said:
Answer = testosterone. You guys are approaching the question from the perspective of a BB'er. He's not concerned with gaining muscle or losing fat. Water retention is a complete non-issue due to the amount of sweat cyclists produce. If anything water retention is a bonus. High doses are totally unnecessary here. The additional strength he'll gain will more than offset the extra weight.
BonerBoy
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If you look around, you'll see that the recommended way to use AAS is in "cycles" or phases. Like you are "on" the drugs for a period of time, then you go "off" to let your body recover. Otherwise you could permanently damage your endocrine system.
So, yeah, I am definitely a "cyclist" when it comes to steroids.
Kind of a newbie question if you ask me. Are you foreign?
So, yeah, I am definitely a "cyclist" when it comes to steroids.
Kind of a newbie question if you ask me. Are you foreign?
Depends - like most other things there are increasing levels of complexity.
First do not think like a BB. Think maintaining power to weight ratio for extended periods. However like BB there is no substitute for hard training and a good diet. That being said drugs can (and do) enhance.
To answer lets looks at what makes a better cyclist, or any other endurance athlete. BTW these are not mutually exclusive:
Increase power to weight ratio. Good pro cyclist can generate about 4.5 watts per kilogram of body mass for about 40 - 60 minutes. Pro cyclists call this the “magic number” - If you can do this you can make a living as a guy who pedals a bike.
Increase ability to maintain around 80%+ max heart rate for extended periods of time. Related to Anaerobic Threshold and VO2 max.
Increase in ability to process Lactate Acid (or LA) – sometimes called the anaerobic threshold. This is a measure of your body’s ability to get rid of LA. Go over this limit and you quickly loose your ability to maintain pace.
Increase in VO2 max – a measure of maximum oxygen consumption – the more the better.
Ability to recover from day to day hard exercise - critical for stage racing! Imagine doing two marathons a day for three weeks – that is the Tour de France.
You can train all of these (some more than others). Genetics plays a huge role as well, yes the above are trainable but without at least one major genetic gift you will be unable to make a living as a pro.
IMO probably the best bang for the buck. If you want simple, safe, inexpensive and effective - mild doses of test prop/cyp – say about 100 mg every 4 days will make a difference. You will loose some fat, increase muscle mass and thus increase your power to weight ratio. Your hematocrit will also go up a bit but not as much as with the use of EPO. Recovery times will improve. Not sure – I have not done the research - if other AAS are any better or worse, without doubt some probably are, but test cyp/prop will work just fine.
EPO – increase hematocrit. Not very safe, very effective and probably expensive. Do some research on all the Belgian cyclist who died in their sleep because their blood was too thick. Unless you are already a pro (or a recovering cancer patient) I would heavily recommend against its use period!
HGH – Expensive, safe and effective (particularly mixed with test). Probably mild doses say 2 - 3 I.U./ 5x week would work pretty well. You’d loose fat, increase muscle and decrease recovery time. Not sure what effect it has on Hematocrit (probably increase it). Overall I’d say similar effects as test but more expensive. Probably very effective if done in conjunction with same.
I spent quite some time researching this issue. I would have been nice to get some guidance up front. That being said, do your own research, read as much as possible and determine what your goals are before doing anything.
So that ends my first post. Brother Body Builders please don't flame unless you are also a serious pedal pusher.
Cheers...
First do not think like a BB. Think maintaining power to weight ratio for extended periods. However like BB there is no substitute for hard training and a good diet. That being said drugs can (and do) enhance.
To answer lets looks at what makes a better cyclist, or any other endurance athlete. BTW these are not mutually exclusive:
Increase power to weight ratio. Good pro cyclist can generate about 4.5 watts per kilogram of body mass for about 40 - 60 minutes. Pro cyclists call this the “magic number” - If you can do this you can make a living as a guy who pedals a bike.
Increase ability to maintain around 80%+ max heart rate for extended periods of time. Related to Anaerobic Threshold and VO2 max.
Increase in ability to process Lactate Acid (or LA) – sometimes called the anaerobic threshold. This is a measure of your body’s ability to get rid of LA. Go over this limit and you quickly loose your ability to maintain pace.
Increase in VO2 max – a measure of maximum oxygen consumption – the more the better.
Ability to recover from day to day hard exercise - critical for stage racing! Imagine doing two marathons a day for three weeks – that is the Tour de France.
You can train all of these (some more than others). Genetics plays a huge role as well, yes the above are trainable but without at least one major genetic gift you will be unable to make a living as a pro.
IMO probably the best bang for the buck. If you want simple, safe, inexpensive and effective - mild doses of test prop/cyp – say about 100 mg every 4 days will make a difference. You will loose some fat, increase muscle mass and thus increase your power to weight ratio. Your hematocrit will also go up a bit but not as much as with the use of EPO. Recovery times will improve. Not sure – I have not done the research - if other AAS are any better or worse, without doubt some probably are, but test cyp/prop will work just fine.
EPO – increase hematocrit. Not very safe, very effective and probably expensive. Do some research on all the Belgian cyclist who died in their sleep because their blood was too thick. Unless you are already a pro (or a recovering cancer patient) I would heavily recommend against its use period!
HGH – Expensive, safe and effective (particularly mixed with test). Probably mild doses say 2 - 3 I.U./ 5x week would work pretty well. You’d loose fat, increase muscle and decrease recovery time. Not sure what effect it has on Hematocrit (probably increase it). Overall I’d say similar effects as test but more expensive. Probably very effective if done in conjunction with same.
I spent quite some time researching this issue. I would have been nice to get some guidance up front. That being said, do your own research, read as much as possible and determine what your goals are before doing anything.
So that ends my first post. Brother Body Builders please don't flame unless you are also a serious pedal pusher.
Cheers...
taste-icles
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I do that daily! It is like lifting for 4 hours straight with no rest between sets, you get eupohric at points.satchboogie said:
Ok Dial and I are probably the biggest cyclists here. I am a serious roadie, and I was almost signed to a pro team years ago, and I grew up with a well know cyclist.
We as a group are not hard gainers, we are impossible gainers. as a kid we were fed dbol like tic tacs, and often deca. I did not grow much if at all while cycling, but when i stopped and switched to lacross like i did every season, i blew up. Then I had to loose the weight because weight=time.
My suggestions to you are going to ruffle some feathers here. Winny, Var, or other 'oral only' cycles will have the most benefit, because they always had a better benefit for me in strength and recovery. Riding hydration is going to be key, because you will sweat out so much and orals have a hell of an issue increasing kidney stones and increase chances of failure.
If you take lighter doses of say primo, you will definately become a more efficient machine, but by low doses, i mean 200-300mg/wk. That is expensive even at low doses. Other injectables will do no good for you because your metabolism and bodily systems seem to flush them out as fast as the get in.
WINNY WILL MAKE YOUR CALVES ABNORMALLY VASCULAR!!! But your strength will be great while the mass will not effect drag.
HGH is not a cure-all like the early 90's guys thought (Indurain, Hamsten, Lemond, Pantani, Chiapucci, Bugno, et al).
B12 always helped me keep oxygenated and energy up.
EQ, Deca, Test = not worth it.
Orals like winny, and var, are going to do the most good for you. Var especially.
If you want, pm me, or DT and we can probably come up with a good stack for you.
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