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Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I am ignorant when it comes to things of this nature, but can someone explain this to me. Are Jews hated just because of their religious beliefs? Is that all? And is it just a religion or a race of people as well. Yes, I'm clueless. Help me out!
 
In the middle ages, jews were not allowed in Europe to do a lot of works, like working metals or becoming farmers. Therefore , many jews became traders or got into banking and money loaning, that made them quite rich. People were quite jealous of that.

Also, the christian churches called them the murderers of Jesus,
which led to a lot more hatred in the church dominated middle ages.This propaganda was continued until WW2.

The churches are directly responsible for the anti-semetism in Europe, imo.
 
Those damned jews. Everything is their fault. From the death of Jesus to me waking up with a pimple, its all the jews doing.
 
Everybody want's a scape goat so they don't have to admit that their own failure is their own fault.
Everybody has to have somebody lower on the totem pole than they are.
The aristocracy looks down on the neuvo-rich
The neuvo-rich looks down on the poor
The poor look down on the immigrants.
Since the Jews tend to stay to themselves, and remain with their own culture, they tend to be seen as outsiders by everybody.

What's the opposite of Anti-Semetism?
I'm Christian, but I like Jews, and really enjoy living in a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
They behave well, keep their homes nice, make great neighbors.
 
Anti-semitism is often mistaken these days with anti-Israelism. With that being said, it does exist to some extent. But it is not as widespread as the B'nai Brith would want you to believe.

According to the Old Testament, Jews are G-d's chosen people and therefore will go through many trials and tribulations. That is why some people have found it justified to condemn them.

Part of the hatred comes from envy. Jewish doctrine preaches education and productivity.

I am not 100% sure, but according to Jewish belief, there is no afterlife, so like the Zoroastrians (and to a certain extent Puritans, although for a totally different reasons) Jews accumulate wealth in this life, unlike Christians and Muslims (who believe that they will be rewarded for their piety in an afterlife).
 
john937 said:
Everybody want's a scape goat so they don't have to admit that their own failure is their own fault.
Everybody has to have somebody lower on the totem pole than they are.
The aristocracy looks down on the neuvo-rich
The neuvo-rich looks down on the poor
The poor look down on the immigrants.
Since the Jews tend to stay to themselves, and remain with their own culture, they tend to be seen as outsiders by everybody.

What's the opposite of Anti-Semetism?
I'm Christian, but I like Jews, and really enjoy living in a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
They behave well, keep their homes nice, make great neighbors.
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Thanks that's what I figured. Thanks for the reply.
 
Originally posted by 2Thick
I do not believe in the scapegoat theory.

That is anti-German propaganda.
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Explain 2Thick. what's the scapegoat theory and why is it anti-German.
 
As far as the scapegoat theory... I think Hitler needed money to fund his war machine... many of the wealthy jewish families had money... so he took it. Plain and simple.

C-ditty
 
BronzedGoddess said:


Explain 2Thick. what's the scapegoat theory and why is it anti-German.
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The scapegoat theory was basically created after the Nazi regime's actions in WWII. It is hard to think about the word scapegoat without mentioning WWII and the Nazi.

It tries to place 100% of the blame on the German people. As if their opinions appeared out of thin air.

It is one-sided and therefore inherently flawed.
 
Jews were prosecuted in whole Europe and Russia. Many people in that time hated the jews, there even was a society in the US that preached the Nazi race theories.
Jews were killed in many countries, Germany just made the worst effort of all.
 
Norman Bates said:
Jews were prosecuted in whole Europe and Russia. Many people in that time hated the jews, there even was a society in the US that preached the Nazi race theories.
Jews were killed in many countries, Germany just made the worst effort of all.
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That doesn't prove the scapegoat theory. It just presents a pattern of persecution.

As a German, I know that this is a sensitive issue for you.
 
Ironic don't you think that after being allegedly persecuted and held back for so long that now the Jews rule the world.

I think animosity arises because of the fact that since Jews believe that they are God's children, all else are beneath them, and often times they tend to treat them as such.
 
Jews were always a minority in whatever country they lived in. Majorities always persecute minorities to some degree or other. Persecution of the jews has revolved around practically every issue over the millennia, sometimes even self-contradictory ones.

For example, Hitler demonized the jews as symbols of international capitalism, because of the great power of a small number of jewish financiers, and blamed the economic ruin of Germany in the '20's on them. However the underclass in the slums were jews. Most jews in Europe lived confined to ghettos in poverty and suffered occasional bouts of organized ritualistic violence - burning, looting, raping etc called pogroms- by the Christians, and the farther east you went the worse it got. Anti-semitic propoganda used images of this poverty constantly as proof of the racial inferiority of the jews. A communist revolution was a real danger at the time. Given the timeless appeal for the masses of promoting themselves socially by attacking the poorest and weakest members of society, Hitler characterized communism also as a jewish conspiracy, with great success.

Blamed for being too rich, blamed for being too poor.

Recently, there was a big libel trial in London where a controversial British academic, David Irving was the plaintiff. The issue was whether he was an anti-semite (he's a holocaust denier btw). He actually tried to prove that anti-semitism is a natural collective response by a society to the presence of Jews. He claimed that Jewish culture which traditionally gave status (and apparently more children) to men based on mastery of the Torah, was a genetic experiment to breed smarter people with superior social organization over the past few thousand years. Irving said it was natural for societies to discriminate against the jews for this reason, to level the playing field. Sounds like a load of shit to me. This guy was kind of a Nazi, except instead of saying the jews were inferior and needed to be discriminated against, he was trying the exact opposite angle.

Is that a no win situation or what?

I'm not sure why black people often hate jews though. Coincidentally I know a Nigerian who hates 1) American black people; 2) Jews.

People are nuts, that's all I know.
 
It was not meant to be a comment on the scape goat theory, i just wanted to say that anti-semetism isn´t a German-only phenomenon.
 
Doktor Bollix said:
Recently, there was a big libel trial in London where a controversial British academic, David Irving was the plaintiff. The issue was whether he was an anti-semite (he's a holocaust denier btw).
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How can someone be a Holocaust Denier??

He doesn't think it happened?
 
BronzedGoddess said:
Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I am ignorant when it comes to things of this nature, but can someone explain this to me. Are Jews hated just because of their religious beliefs? Is that all? And is it just a religion or a race of people as well. Yes, I'm clueless. Help me out!
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The following will answer your question: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitic

It's a pretty good general introduction to the topic.
 
Doktor Bollix said:


I'm not sure why black people often hate jews though. Coincidentally I know a Nigerian who hates 1) American black people; 2) Jews.

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I read an article earlier today talking about how 35% of blacks and 44% of hispanics hate Jews. That totally blew my mind. I can not understand how one minority can hate another. I bet if you asked them why they hate Jews none of them could give you a "reason". I'm black and I can see why Africans might hate us. All of the African immigrants I met we very hard working and proud.
 
BronzedGoddess said:


I read an article earlier today talking about how 35% of blacks and 44% of hispanics hate Jews. That totally blew my mind. I can not understand how one minority can hate another. I bet if you asked them why they hate Jews none of them could give you a "reason". I'm black and I can see why Africans might hate us. All of the African immigrants I met we very hard working and proud.
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Take a minute and think. The most racist are usually the lower classes. Besides the education factor, those who are low, look for someone perceived lower and hate them.

It is simple logic.
 
2Thick said:


It is an extreme view that is meant to rival the extreme overestimation of Jewish deaths that are prevalent in modern estimations.

The truth is somewhere in the middle (as usual).
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How many Jews do you think were killed by the Nazis and anti-Semitic collaborators?
 
bullett said:


How can someone be a Holocaust Denier??

He doesn't think it happened?
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There's plenty of people who think it never happened. It's a crime in Germany to say it for this reason.

Norman Bates makes a good point about it not being a German-only phenomenon. The Germans were just more organized and industrious than say, the Romanians. BTW most of the dirty work in the holocaust was carried out by non-Germans. The Ukrainians were particularly enthusiastic. The Germans just gave them an infrastructure to do what they had been doing for centuries on a major scale. The Germans get to carry the can for all those Hungarians, Latvians etc. who walked away smelling like roses.

Actually, further to my theory that the English are to blame for all of the world's evils, modern anti-semitism can be traced to the theories of Edward I (the old guy in Braveheart) who decided to stiff his bankers and expel them from the country so he wouldn't have to pay them back.
 
Stumpy said:


How many Jews do you think were killed by the Nazis and anti-Semitic collaborators?
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I am not getting into this with you.

You know for a fact that plenty of other groups perished alongside Jews.

And if you try to tell me that current estimates are not exaggerated, you have not learned anything from your Masters or PhD.
 
2Thick said:


Take a minute and think. The most racist are usually the lower classes. Besides the education factor, those who are low, look for someone perceived lower and hate them.

It is simple logic.
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Well that's truly sad, because as a minority I have the mentality "Let's stick together"

You theory does explain why most KKK members are white trailor trash.
 
Doktor Bollix said:
Actually, further to my theory that the English are to blame for all of the world's evils, modern anti-semitism can be traced to the theories of Edward I (the old guy in Braveheart) who decided to stiff his bankers and expel them from the country so he wouldn't have to pay them back.
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Much of modern anti-Semitism is based on racial theories, and that came about in the 19th century.
 
Which also explains why so many of them are in the Diamond trade.
If they have to pick up and leave in a hurry, they don't have to stand in line at the bank to get their funds out.
Pick up their diamonds and run.
 
the english are to blame for a whole lot of problems, others are to blame for exacerbating them

sadly because israel is grouped together with judaeism because it is theonly jewish state, anti semitism is grouped together with anti-israeli views and vice versa

i can think of many who hve been labelled anti semetic because of their disgust of israels actions in the past, and sadly also those who;s hate of israel stems from an inherent hate of jews and their religion. its scary :(
 
Stumpy said:


Much of modern anti-Semitism is based on racial theories, and that came about in the 19th century.
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True, but he put together a lot of elements to come up with the parasites on society theory. Before then they were characterized as more literal drinkers of blood and stealers of infants. Not really political concepts.
 
2Thick said:


I am not getting into this with you.

You know for a fact that plenty of other groups perished alongside Jews.

And if you try to tell me that current estimates are not exaggerated, you have not learned anything from your Masters or PhD.
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Chill out.

I didn't say anything about the other victims of the Nazi holocaust, I asked you how many Jews were killed, and you declined to state.

I'm just curious as to what estimate do you think is in right ballpark.

Furthermore, this is not the time to discuss my education - what does that have to do with this discussion?
 
Stumpy said:


I didn't say anything about the other victims of the Nazi holocaust, I asked you how many Jews were killed, and you declined to state.

I'm just curious as to what estimate do you think is in right ballpark.
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Your education is directly related to the level cerebral enlightenment you bring to the discussion. I know that you are well-educated, so I will not accept generalizations and stereotypes that the average layman would try to use in his/her arguments.

I do not know of the numbers. That is why I am not making any particular ballpark quotes. With that being said, I have read plenty (of somewhat objective) articles and studies that do not reinforce the estimates that are now "common knowledge."

The reason I mentioned other groups is because some people are confused over the total number of people exterminated vs. the total number of Jews exterminated. I did not use the word exterminated negatively, in case you were wondering.
 
Doktor Bollix said:


True, but he put together a lot of elements to come up with the parasites on society theory. Before then they were characterized as more literal drinkers of blood and stealers of infants. Not really political concepts.
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Other modern racial anti-Semites had actually done that, not Hitler. He borrowed extensively from the writings of other racial theorists, like Dietrich Eckart and Karl Eugen Duehring, and was also very much inspired by Gobineau.

He was just a political leader with a vision, but he wasn't original by any means.

All his views on politics, race, society, and economics were derivative and were floating around when he got into politics.
 
There are two phenotypes that belong to the Hebrew ethnic group. These are the European Jews and the Spanish Jews. The Hebrew ethnic group belongs to the Cacasian race.

The most recent, most accurate estimates of the number of Hebrew casualties during WWII are as high as ten million.
 
2Thick said:


Your education is directly related to the level cerebral enlightenment you bring to the discussion. I know that you are well-educated, so I will not accept generalizations and stereotypes that the average layman would try to use in his/her arguments.

I do not know of the numbers. That is why I am not making any particular ballpark quotes. With that being said, I have read plenty (of somewhat objective) articles and studies that do not reinforce the estimates that are now "common knowledge."

The reason I mentioned other groups is because some people are confused over the total number of people exterminated vs. the total number of Jews exterminated. I did not use the word exterminated negatively, in case you were wondering.
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Can you just give me a rough estimate? I think 6 million is actually a compromise - most conservative estimates place the Jewish dead at ~4.5 million; others say that close to 7 million Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis and their collaborators.

The total number of the victims of the Nazi holocaust - Jews, Gypsies, Poles, political dissidents, etc. - is somewhere between 10.5 to 12 million people.

The documental evidence is overwhelming.
 
Ok so I have another ignorant question. Since Israel is a very young country where are the Jewish people origionally from. I know they branched out and went to other regions but where did it all start. Yeah, I don't know much but I want to learn.
 
BronzedGoddess said:
Ok so I have another ignorant question. Since Israel is a very young country where are the Jewish people origionally from. I know they branched out and went to other regions but where did it all start. Yeah, I don't know much but I want to learn.
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BronzedGoddess,

Did you read the link that I provided in my first post in this thread? It actually answers your initial question in detail.

As for the question on Jewish origins - I refer you to Wikipedia again: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

The word 'Jew' comes from the region of Judea, currently in Palestinian Authority and Israeli hands, where the Jews emerged as a people.
 
Yes, I did look at the web site but I'm getting confused. How are they considered Caucasion then. I'll go back to the web site and print it out. Thank you.
 
BronzedGoddess said:
Yes, I did look at the web site but I'm getting confused. How are they considered Caucasion then. I'll go back to the web site and print it out.
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The terms Caucasian and Caucasoid, although not in scientific use anymore, used to apply to the indigenous peoples of Europe, the Middle East (western Asia), India, and North Africa.


BronzedGoddess said:
Thank you.
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No problem.
 
BG:

Thanks to Matttheskywalker for this one, but try reading Constantine's Sword by James Carrol (a former priest). It is a VERY HARD read but gives a great overall view on the history of the Jews and their relationship to the Church essentially from the very beginning of the church.

Carrol's point is, in a nutshell, that the Church is virtually entirely to blame for the current plight of the Jews. They were quick to publicly damn the Jews for the death of Christ but have never been as loud or as public in their retraction of this basic "tenet" of Christianity nor in their acknowledgement that the Jews didn't play a role in his death.

Also in the book, he states that by estimates of Jews killed in the Holocaust, there would be some 200 MILLION more Jews today.

And all that nonsense about afterlife and G-d's children is more anti-semitic propaganda and BS, but thanks for your two cents gsxr1000 and the always ignorantly anti-semitic 2Thick: "Jews accumulate wealth" and "the actual numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust is WAY overestimated" hahaha.
 
so jews do believe in the afterlife?
 
thebabydoc said:
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Carrol's point is, in a nutshell, that the Church is virtually entirely to blame for the current plight of the Jews. They were quick to publicly damn the Jews for the death of Christ but have never been as loud or as public in their retraction of this basic "tenet" of Christianity nor in their acknowledgement that the Jews didn't play a role in his death.
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I believe that the church can be blamed for the anti-semitism in Europe, but i can´t think of any way the church is responsible for the current trouble of Israel with the Islamic nations.
 
danielson said:
so jews do believe in the afterlife?
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Yes, there's belief in the afterlife in Judaism, but it's not a central issue.
 
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thebabydoc said:
BG:

Thanks to Matttheskywalker for this one, but try reading Constantine's Sword by James Carrol (a former priest). It is a VERY HARD read but gives a great overall view on the history of the Jews and their relationship to the Church essentially from the very beginning of the church.

Carrol's point is, in a nutshell, that the Church is virtually entirely to blame for the current plight of the Jews. They were quick to publicly damn the Jews for the death of Christ but have never been as loud or as public in their retraction of this basic "tenet" of Christianity nor in their acknowledgement that the Jews didn't play a role in his death.

Also in the book, he states that by estimates of Jews killed in the Holocaust, there would be some 200 MILLION more Jews today.

And all that nonsense about afterlife and G-d's children is more anti-semitic propaganda and BS, but thanks for your two cents gsxr1000 and the always ignorantly anti-semitic 2Thick: "Jews accumulate wealth" and "the actual numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust is WAY overestimated" hahaha.
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Constantine's Sword is not a scholarly work. James Carroll is a novelist.
 
Norman Bates said:


I believe that the church can be blamed for the anti-semitism in Europe, but i can´t think of any way the church is responsible for the current trouble of Israel with the Islamic nations.
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I disagree. Anti-Semitism existed in Europe in classical times, centuries prior to the appearance of Christianity and its gradual spread over much of Europe.

As for the Israeli-Arab conflict, it's more of an ethnic, political, and territorial conflict, as opposed to being a purely religious one.
 
BronzedGoddess said:
Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I am ignorant when it comes to things of this nature, but can someone explain this to me. Are Jews hated just because of their religious beliefs? Is that all? And is it just a religion or a race of people as well. Yes, I'm clueless. Help me out!
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The Israelis are murdering palestinian people, women and children in the occupied territories. You do not build a high rep there.

Furthermore they were laughing and taking pictures when WTC collapsed (and some were arrested).
 
At one time in history Jews were banned from EVERY country in europe. There are reasons for this. They are corrupt,slimy and devious individuals bent on their own furthering of their race (jews are a race not just a religion).

Does this sound like today? (This is not fabricated)

"We must realize that our jewish party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."
--Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957 --

The Germans wised up to the corruption and disgracefull nature of the Jews.
But forget that for the time being, let's move onto the TALMUD.
The Jewish religions book. Here are some of the things that is said in it and believed by jews:

"Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth"

Sanhedrin 54b. "A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old."

The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

I could go on but I won't. But you see why Jew's have been hated, they are a perverse people of a sick nature.
 
Stumpy said:
Constantine's Sword is not a scholarly work. James Carroll is a novelist.
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His being a novelist does not make the work a novel or, for that matter, any less valid. The book was written while on fellowship at Harvard and is a scholarly work in that it was written after years and years of meticulous research and is written from an analytical standpoint in an attempt to explain and understand a previously poorly understood subject matter.
 
And, as if to answer your question and prove a point, the illiterate, anti-semitic assclowns of EF join the party....

~assclown #1~ said:
At one time in history Jews were banned from EVERY country in Europe. There are reasons for this. They are corrupt,slimy and devious individuals bent on furthering of their own race (Jews are a race, not just a religion).

Does this sound like today? (This is not fabricated)

I could go on but I won't. But you see why Jew's have been hated, they are a perverse people of a sick nature.
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Furthermore they were laughing and taking pictures when WTC collapsed (and some were arrested).
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Congratulations, you win today's award!
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Now go play in traffic, losers!
 
thebabydoc said:

And all that nonsense about afterlife and G-d's children is more anti-semitic propaganda and BS, but thanks for your two cents gsxr1000 and the always ignorantly anti-semitic 2Thick: "Jews accumulate wealth" and "the actual numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust is WAY overestimated" hahaha.
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Anti-semitic, eh?

That is like a knee-jerk reaction for you.

You sound like a parrot that cannot say anything else.

You do not see stumpy (who is leaps and bounds ahead of you in overall intellect) calling me anti-semetic.
 
thebabydoc said:
His being a novelist does not make the work a novel or, for that matter, any less valid. The book was written while on fellowship at Harvard and is a scholarly work in that it was written after years and years of meticulous research and is written from an analytical standpoint in an attempt to explain and understand a previously poorly understood subject matter.
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I stand by my previous assertion.

He's not an historian, a cultural anthropologist, a sociologist, or an ethnographer that deals with the dynamics of inter-ethnic/inter-religious conflicts.

Constantine's Sword is a book written from the perspective of an apologetic Christian theologian. It doesn't strive to be an objective historical work.
 
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Stumpy said:


I stand by my previous assertion.

He's not an historian, a cultural anthropologist, a sociologist, or an ethnographer that deals with the dynamics of inter-ethnic/inter-religious conflicts.

Constantine's Sword is a book written from the perspective of an apologetic Christian theologian. It doesn't strive to be an objective historical work.
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Where does it say that you have to be an anthropologist, sociologist, etc... to write/present an accurate and factual account of history?

Although I will concede the fact that the book definitely is written from the perspective of an apologetic Catholic, this does not negate the facts presented nor invalidate its conclusions. Carroll makes no attempt to hide his feelings of guilt and remorse which prompted him to investigate and write the book. His perspective clearly does not change the facts which he uncovered and presents as evidence in analyzing and arriving at his "preconcieved" conclusions of the guilt/responsibility of the Church. The book therefore nevertheless does serve as a valid and compelling source of factual data regarding the history of anti-semitism (which is what BG asked about in the first place).

2Thick: you are, as always, dogmatically myopic in your ignorance. Your incessant presentation of unsubstantiated, often fabricated facts (such as your implausible assertion as to the "actual" number of Jews killed in the Holocaust) serves only to underscore your unwaning efforts to convince yourself that your beliefs and positions are not anti-semitic. I do, however, respect your desire to not believe yourself capable of such vile behavior. Sorry to have to point you in the direction of the mirror, asslown.

We have an expression over here stateside: "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck." Welcome to MP5's world...

I know, I know...some of your best friends are Jews.
 
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Wow. This is actually one of the more interesting threads i have read in a while. Houndog's statement is pretty scary though. I never rule possibilities out, so i am hoping that what he presented isnt the case. As far fetched as it sounds, i have learned that nothing is impossible. I tend not to believe it though. I find the whole race thing irritating. I dont see why people dont get over it.
 
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Slowly i start to believe that there are more Neonazis in the US than in Germany.
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Better believe it! Hounddog and MP5 are a good representation of the average redneck "open" mentality in this country. As hard as it is to conceive, this is really what they are thinking and how their minds work (or don't).
 
World Jewish Zionism, today, constitutes the last racist ideology still surviving and the Zionist's state of Israel, the last outpost of "Apartheid" in the World.
Israel constitutes by its mere existence a complete defiance to all international laws, rules and principles, and the open racism manifested in the Jewish State is a violation of all ethics and morals known to Man.
 
By the way, trying to discredit me by name calling won't work.
I'm an "anti-semitic" "neo-nazi" "racist bastard" right?
WRONG. I don't see any of you having a well constructed and UNFABRICATED argument to counter mine. All you have is insults.
 
I have tons of sources. Why do you want them? I'll give them up.
I'll PM you tomorrow or the day after.
 
HounDog,
The issues you brought up having to do with zionist movements to manipulate world power are interesting. As unlikely as it sounds, one could imagine that something like this could concievably be going on. So i understand where you are coming from there. However; you take credibility away from yourself when you say things like "The Germans wised up to the corruption and disgracefull nature of the Jews. " This takes attention off your argument, and makes any validity look tainted with personal opinion and bigotry. While you may very well be right about a "jewish conspiracy" by a small group of zionists, comments like that above makes it easy for people like the Babydoc to discredit you. And those comments make it also easy for anyone else to blow your argument off.

I dont mean to sound like i am lecturing, cause i am in no means one to point out someone being biased. I am almost always biased. I am just stoned, so i had to do it.

And BabyDoc,
Just because people dont agree with Israel's stance on things, or even think that the Israelies are full of shit and evil, doesnt make one an anti-semite. These people are distrustfull of the jewish states government, not the jewish people themselves.
Just wanted to point this out because i have seen you butt heads with Dballer over such issues, and the guy does not have any issues with jews that i know of. He just thinks that the israeli gov is fucked.Just tought i would bring it to your attention, because sometimes we error in our thinking. I do it a good amount myself.
 
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It is an extremely bad idea to discuss this.The official number is not to be questioned no matter what.
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Why??? Because it is considered anti-semetic to do so? I can't stand Isreali policy nor america's blind support for it. Does that make me anti-semetic?
 
Why??? Because it is considered anti-semetic to do so? I can't stand Isreali policy nor america's blind support for it. Does that make me anti-semetic?
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Don't preach to me.I agree with those sentiments as well.It's just that saying anything negative about them will put a label on you very quickly.Like when babydoc immediately called 2thick anti-semitic.
 
It's just that saying anything negative about them will put a label on you very quickly.Like when babydoc immediately called 2thick anti-semitic.
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All the more reason why the issue should be questioned. Who gives a fuck what idiots like Babydoc think?
 
Wow, there's been a lot of posts since I checked this thread last. I just want to thank y'all for sharing your knowledge with me.

Hounddog-I respect your opinion, but it scares me to be quite honest. People like you take one look at me and think I'm on welfare with 8 kids by 8 different guys right. Hurts my heart..I know it shouldn't but it does.

Also isn't babydoc the only Jewish person that's posted on this thread? I'm sure he know more about being Jewish than anyone else on here right?
 
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I'd say stumpy is jewish. just a hunch.
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we'll I didn't want to assume that he was although he knows TONS AND TONS about the topic. Babydoc was the only one that I had ever heard comeout and say he was Jewish. The link Stumpy posted was very informative, and he has answered all of my questions.
 
Hounddog-I respect your opinion, but it scares me to be quite honest. People like you take one look at me and think I'm on welfare with 8 kids by 8 different guys right. Hurts my heart..I know it shouldn't but it does.

Why would you think that BG. He is just stating some facts. He has not said anything that would lead me to think he is racist or an anti-semite. We can challenge his facts but calling him a racist would be inappropriate. He makes some good points.
 
Um, did you read this part?

"They are corrupt,slimy and devious individuals bent on their own furthering of their race (jews are a race not just a religion)."

to me that's the same as saying all blacks and hispanics are lazy. All women are money grubbing whores. Seems like he's placing all Jewish people in one category. That's the way I took it but if I am wrong, then I appologize. And I don't remember calling him a racist.
 
You are correct, you did not call him a racist. I may not agree with his choice of words but there is a hint of truth in them. The Jews are notorious about furthering their cause. Read some foreign newspapers. You will see a distinct difference between the way news is reported here and in other countries. Jews have been able to rise to a position where they can influence US policy making to benefit Israel at the expense of others.
 
Everyone is allowed to like and dislike who or whatever they choose, and i must say that I have found that a large percent tend to be a little annoying. They tend to be left wing liberals here in the USA yet when it comes to Israel they are as right wing as you can get.
 
BronzedGoddess said:


we'll I didn't want to assume that he was although he knows TONS AND TONS about the topic. Babydoc was the only one that I had ever heard comeout and say he was Jewish. The link Stumpy posted was very informative, and he has answered all of my questions.
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I'm glad I was of help.

And yes, I'm Jewish.
 
BronzedGoddess said:


we'll I didn't want to assume that he was although he knows TONS AND TONS about the topic. Babydoc was the only one that I had ever heard comeout and say he was Jewish. The link Stumpy posted was very informative, and he has answered all of my questions.
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Jews ?

thebabydoc

dumbell150 and his alter ego "steelworker"

clusterfox (?)

maybe Matt and stumpy ....lol
 
~HOUNDOG~ said:
World Jewish Zionism, today, constitutes the last racist ideology still surviving and the Zionist's state of Israel, the last outpost of "Apartheid" in the World.
Israel constitutes by its mere existence a complete defiance to all international laws, rules and principles, and the open racism manifested in the Jewish State is a violation of all ethics and morals known to Man.
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~HOUNDOG~ said:
By the way, trying to discredit me by name calling won't work.
I'm an "anti-semitic" "neo-nazi" "racist bastard" right?
WRONG. I don't see any of you having a well constructed and UNFABRICATED argument to counter mine. All you have is insults.
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lol. you are such a tool.

You make blanket, unsupported statements and then ramble out how people use unfabricated arguments in attempt to counter you?
 
manny78 said:


Jews ?

thebabydoc

dumbell150 and his alter ego "steelworker"

clusterfox (?)

maybe Matt and stumpy ....lol
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You say this like I was supposed to know this.
 
posthuman said:

Don't preach to me.I agree with those sentiments as well.It's just that saying anything negative about them will put a label on you very quickly.Like when babydoc immediately called 2thick anti-semitic.
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I called him anti-semitic because I have argued with him many, many times in the past and his facts and arguments all come from blatantly anti-Jewish sources. What we have agreed on is that he does not want to be an anti-semite, he just is one without realizing it

And by the way, saying anything negative about an enitire race of people IS BIGOTRY, you idiot.
 
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