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Anti-Israel Thread

MattThe Skywalker-
I disagree that we give equal military support to Egypt and Israel and I will try to find some facts to post here.
Regardless of my feelings towards these two countries, I think these problems are arising because we have created a HUGE military imbalance in that part of the world.
Israel is apparently the second largest airforce in the world. Based on the GNP of Israel this would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to obtain unless we were COMPLETELY funding their airforce.
All Israeli helicopters, F-15's, tanks, weapons are American made.
Using words like camnel humpers. kikes, towel heads and so on makes us feel more powerful or in some way more patriotic....including myself.
This is not a war about religion any more.
I will try to find some facts about foreign aid to Israel and post.
 
I know the feeling...I sadly parted with a variety of shirts designed for a 140 lb kid...now a 200 lb adult. Had a huge yardsale last weekend (made over 1000.00) sold 2 boxes of original Biohazard, Venom, Motorhead, Slayer, Napalm Death, Black Flag, etc. shirts for 20.00. Oh well....
 
JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2001, Pages 15-16

Congress Watch

A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting

By Shirl McArthur

With the turmoil surrounding the presidential election essentially freezing Congress into inaction, this is probably a good time to take another look at aid to Israel. The common figure given for U.S. aid to Israel is $3 billion per year—$1.2 billion in economic aid and $1.8 billion in military aid. As impressive as this figure is, however, since it represents about one-sixth of total U.S. foreign aid, the true figure is even more remarkable. It is difficult, however, to arrive at an exact number. Much of the money the U.S. gives Israel is buried in the budgets of other government agencies, primarily the Defense Department (DOD). Other subsidies come in a form that isn’t easily quantifiable, such as the early disbursement of aid, which allows Israel to gain (and the U.S. taxpayer to lose) the interest on the unspent money.

This year’s appropriations bills for FY 2001, which began Oct. 1, 2000, include, in addition to the $2.82 billion in economic and military foreign aid to Israel, an additional $60 million in so-called refugee resettlement and $250 million in the DOD budget, plus $85 million imputed interest, for a total of at least $3.215 billion. In addition, on Nov. 14, 2000, President William Clinton sent a special request to Congress for an additional $450 million in military aid to Israel in FY 2001, plus $350 million for FY 2002.

The package also included $225 million in military aid for Egypt and $75 million in security assistance for Jordan. The $450 million for Israel is not included in these calculations, because it is unclear at this writing whether Congress will approve the package in the current political climate.

Calculating Total U.S. Aid

Unquestionably, Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II. Estimates for total U.S. aid to Israel vary, however, because of the uncertainties and ambiguities described above. An Oct. 27, 2000 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report, using available and verifiable numbers, gives cumulative aid to Israel from 1949 through FY 2000 (which ended Sept. 30, 2000) at $81.38 billion. On the other hand, last year the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs estimated total aid to Israel through FY 2000 at $91.82 billion.

The CRS number surely is too low, because, although it does include such things as the old food-for-peace program, the $1.2 billion from the Wye agreement, and the current subsidy for “refugee resettlement,” it does not include money from the DOD budget, on the grounds that those funds are for joint research and development projects. Nor does the CRS figure include estimated interest on the early disbursement of aid funds. Last year’s Washington Report estimate imputes an amount for “other aid” (including the DOD) that may no longer be valid, based as it is on a thorough study of three representative years. While this year’s estimate is more conservative, the results are still shockingly high.

To the CRS number of $81.38 billion through FY 2000 can be added (with details to follow):

• $4.28 billion from the DOD; and

• $1.72 billion in interest from early disbursement of aid, for a total of $87.38 billion through Sept. 30, 2000. To that can be added the $3.22 billion detailed above, giving a grand total of $90.6 billion total aid to Israel through FY 2001. Approval of Clinton’s special request for $450 million more in military aid would push the number over $91 billion.

Defense Department Funds

A search going back several years was able to identify $3.423 billion in specific DOD line items appropriated to Israel. Since that figure includes only the programs that were uncovered, it is reasonable to add 25 percent, or $856 million, to account for what was not found. The largest items in the DOD budget were $1.3 billion for the cancelled Lavi attack fighter project; $628 million for the ongoing Arrow anti-missile missile project; and $200 million for the completed Merkava tank. The fact that the U.S. military was not interested in the Lavi or the Merkava for its own use and has said the same thing about the Arrow would seem to invalidate the argument that these are “joint defense projects.”

Interest

Israel began receiving early disbursement of U.S. economic aid in 1982, and of military aid in 1991. It would be inaccurate to simply apply the rate of interest to the amount of aid, because it has to be assumed that the aid monies were drawn down over the course of the year. In 1991 it was reported that Israel earned $86 million in interest on the economic aid money deposited in the U.S. Treasury. Since the period from 1982 to 1991 was a time of relatively high interest rates, the figure of $860 million (86 x 10) seems a reasonably conservative estimate for those 10 years. For the nine years since 1991, a 6 percent rate was applied to one-half of the economic aid, for a total of $324 million over the past decade.

On the military aid, the 6 percent rate was applied to one-half of the military aid for the 10 years it has been disbursed early, for a total of $540 million.

Some Comparisons

The impressive numbers for U.S. aid to Israel become even more so when they, and the attached conditions, are compared with other Middle East countries. The roughly $3.3 billion in annual aid compares with some $2 billion for Egypt, $225 million for Jordan, and $35 million for Lebanon. Aid for the Palestinian Authority (PA) is not earmarked, but has been running at about $100 million. Furthermore, aid to the PA is strictly controlled by the U.S. Agency for International Development, and goes for specific projects, mostly civil infrastructure projects such as water and sewers.

On the other hand, the U.S. gives Israel all of its economic aid directly in cash, with no accounting of how the funds are used. The military aid from the DOD budget is mostly for specific projects. Significantly however, considering current events, one of those projects was the development of the Merkava tank, which has been encircling and firing on Palestinian towns in the West Bank and Gaza.

The only condition the congressional foreign aid bill places on military aid to Israel is that about 75 percent of it has to be spent in the U.S. In contrast with other countries receiving military aid, however, who purchase through the DOD, Israel deals directly with U.S. companies, with no DOD review.

Special mention should also be made of the details of the Wye agreement. All of the $400 million going to the PA under the agreement is economic aid, whereas all of the $1.2 billion for Israel is for military projects and programs. These include $40 million for armored personnel carriers and $360 million for Apache helicopters, again significant considering current events.

Loans, The “Cranston Amendment,” and Loan Guarantees

Currently, Israel owes the U.S. government almost $3 billion in economic and military loans. Direct government-to-government loans are included in the above numbers for total aid, because repayment of several loans has been “waived” by the U.S. Israeli officials are fond of saying that Israel has never defaulted on a loan from the U.S. Technically, this is true. The CRS report, however, notes that from FY 1994 through FY 1998 $29 billion in U.S. loans have been waived for Israel. Therefore, it is reasonable to consider all loans to Israel the same as grants.

There seems to be much confusion about the so-called “Cranston Amendment,” named after the California senator who sponsored it in 1984. The amendment said, simply, that it is “the policy and intention” of the U.S. to give Israel economic aid “not less than” the amount Israel owes the U.S. in annual debt interest and principal payments.

Since official economic aid to Israel has always been considerably higher than the annual debt repayments, this is something of a non-issue. Furthermore, since the amendment is simply a statement of policy and intent, it may not be legally binding. In any event, although the amendment was included in every aid appropriations bill through FY 1998, it has not been repeated in the FY 1999, 2000, and 2001 appropriations bills.

The amount of U.S. government loan guarantees to Israel was not included in the above numbers, because they have not cost the U.S. any money (yet), although they are listed as “contingent liabilities” (that is, they would become liabilities to the U.S. should Israel default). Nevertheless, they unquestionably have been of tangible financial benefit to Israel. The major loan guarantees issued by Washington have been $600 million for housing between 1972 and 1990; the much publicized $10 billion for Soviet Jewish resettlement between 1992 and 1997; and some $5 billion for refinancing military loans commercially. Currently, the total U.S. contingent liability for Israeli loans is about $10 billion.

The Neeman Agreement

After Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told Congress in 1996 that he wanted to reduce the level of U.S. economic aid to Israel, Israeli Finance Minister Yaacov Neeman met with members of Congress in January 1998 to negotiate the details. After much backing and forthing, they reached agreement that Israel’s then-$1.2 billion in economic aid would be decreased annually, beginning FY 1999, by $120 million, and the $1.8 billion in military aid would be increased by half that, or $60 million.

As a little-reported part of the deal, the amount of military aid that Israel was allowed to spend in Israel would be increased by $15 million per year. From FY 1988 through 1990 Israel was allowed to use $400 million of its $1.8 billion U.S. military aid in Israel. Beginning in FY 1991 that was increased to $475 million. As a result of the Neeman agreement, beginning in FY 1999 the aid appropriations bill gave the amount to be spent in Israel as a percentage of the total, rather than a stated amount. This maneuver helped hide from U.S. defense contractors the fact that the U.S. direct subsidy to their Israeli competitors was being increased by $15 million per year. For FY 2001 the stated percentage works out to $520 million. None of this is included in the above figures, because it does not represent a direct cost to the U.S. taxpayers. It is clearly an indirect cost, however, in terms of lost tax revenue and lost business for American companies. X

Shirl McArthur, a retired foreign service officer, is a consultant in the Washington, DC area.

SIDEBAR #1

Arab Americans Lose Ground in Congress

While Arab-American candidates broke even in the 2000 elections for the House of Representatives, a major loss was suffered in the Senate, where the only Arab-American senator, Michigan Republican Spencer Abraham, was narrowly and unexpectedly defeated by former Rep. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI). Stabenow had a neutral score in this magazine’s Congressional Report Card (August/September issue), with one positive and one negative mark, although she did sign the letter to President Clinton urging the delinking of the economic sanctions against Iraq from the military sanctions.

In the House, Arab-American Reps. John Baldacci (D-ME), Chris John (D-LA), Ray LaHood (R-IL), Nick Rahall (D-WV), and John Sununu (R-NH) all were re-elected. In addition, Republican newcomer Darrell Issa was easily elected in California. Issa’s victory offset the narrow defeat of Democrat Steve Danner in Missouri for the seat previously held by retiring Rep. Pat Danner (D-MO).

Other re-elected representatives sympathetic to issues important to Arab Americans include Reps. David Bonior (D-MI), John Conyers (D-MI), Tom Davis (R-VA), John Dingell (D-MI), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Bob Ney (R-OH), and Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). Unfortunately, a champion of Arab-American issues was lost when Rep. Tom Campbell (R-CA) failed in his bid to unseat Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA).

Other congressional election news included the surprise defeat of Rep. Sam Gejdenson (D-CT), who was the ranking Democrat on the House International Relations Committee. Although he was widely considered a good friend of Israel, Gejdenson’s report card was only slightly negative, with no positive and one negative mark. He is expected to be replaced as ranking Democrat on the committee by Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA), also considered a strong friend of Israel. A Holocaust survivor, Lantos might be expected to be sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians living under the heel of a brutal occupying power, but his report card showed one positive and two negative marks. Lantos also signed the letter to Clinton urging the president to “stand firm” in keeping the economic sanctions on Iraq. —S.M.


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clusterfoxtrot said:
I know the feeling...I sadly parted with a variety of shirts designed for a 140 lb kid...now a 200 lb adult. Had a huge yardsale last weekend (made over 1000.00) sold 2 boxes of original Biohazard, Venom, Motorhead, Slayer, Napalm Death, Black Flag, etc. shirts for 20.00. Oh well....

you did not do America justice by selling those flag shits!!!!
 
FFactor:

I think you will be sadly disappointed. The bulk of Israel's overall military hardware is made inside the country. Besides buying from the US, they also have bought from France, Sweden, Russia, China, and a few other countries.

In addition, Israel has provided a myriad of improvements on our air platforms, that the US now incorporates for its own use.
 
Funny part was it was an El Salvadoran guy that bought the stuff. I am sure I will see some guy mowing a lawn wearing a BF "SLip it In" shirt oneday.
 
Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $80 billion in assistance, including three special aid packages. The first followed the signing of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty and Israel's withdrawal from the Sinai. The redeployment of Israeli forces and rebuilding of air bases in the Negev cost $5 billion. To partially compensate for this sacrifice, Israel received $3 billion ($2.2 billion of which was in the form of high-interest loans) in U.S. aid in 1979.

The second special package was approved in 1985, following a severe economic crisis in Israel, which sent inflation rates soaring as high as 445 percent. The $1.5 billion in emergency assistance-disbursed in two installments, in 1985 and 1986-was provided as part of Israel's economic stabilization program, which was implemented under the guidance of the U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Development Group (JEDG).

The most recent extraordinary package was approved in 1996 to help Israel fight terrorism. Israel is to receive a total of $100 million, divided equally between fiscal years 1996 and 1997.

Regular Economic and Military Assistance
Israel's economic aid changed from the Commodity Import Program (CIP), which provides funds to foreign nations for the purchase of U.S. commodities, to a direct cash transfer in 1979. In return, Israel provided the Agency for International Development with assurances that the dollar level of Israel's non-defense imports from the U.S. would exceed the level of economic assistance granted Israel in any given year. Thus, Israel guaranteed that U.S. suppliers would not be disadvantaged by the termination of Israel's CIP Program.

Starting with fiscal year 1987, Israel annually received $1.2 billion in all grant economic aid and $1.8 billion in all grant military assistance. In 1998, Israel offered to voluntarily reduce its dependence on U.S. economic aid. According to an agreement reached with the Clinton Administration and Congress, the $1.2 billion economic aid package will be reduced by $120 million each year so that it will be phased out in ten years. Half of the annual savings in economic assistance each year ($60 million) will be added to Israel's military aid package in recognition of its increased security needs. In 1999, Israel received $1.08 billion in economic aid and $1.86 billion in military aid. In 2000, economic aid is scheduled to be reduced to $949.1 million and military aid will increase to $1.92 billion.

For several years, most of Israel's economic aid went to pay off old debts. In 1984, foreign aid legislation included the Cranston Amendment (named after its Senate sponsor), which said the U.S. would provide Israel with economic assistance "not less than" the amount Israel owes the United States in annual debt service payments. Israel's remaining debt service on economic loans, according to the Congressional Research Service, is now approximately $350 million. Israel is still repaying the United States approximately $3 billion in direct economic and military loans.

Roughly 26 percent ($490 million) of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. The remaining 74 percent is spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program.

At the end of 1998, Israel requested an additional $1.2 billion in aid to fund moving troops and military installations out of the occupied territories as called for in the October 23, 1998, Wye agreement. This money was included in the FY2000 military grant aid package, but it appears to be the Administration's intention to disburse the $1.2 billion over three years (see Wye funding table).

Altogether, since 1949, Israel has received more than $90 billion in assistance. This includes the three special allocations, the $10 billion in loan guarantees (spread over five years) approved in 1992, and a variety of other smaller assistance-related accounts, such as refugee resettlement ($80 million annually from 1992-1998 and then reduced to $70 million in FY1999 and $60 million in FY2000 because of declining numbers of refugees) and cooperative development programs (a total of $186 million since 1981). The total does not include funds for joint military projects like the Arrow missile (for which Israel has received more than $628 million in grants since 1986), which are provided through the Defense budget.

Though the totals are impressive, the value of assistance to Israel has been eroded by inflation. While aid levels remained constant in total dollars from 1987 until 1999, the real value steadily declined. On the other side of the coin, Israel does receive aid on more favorable terms than other nations. For example, all economic aid is given directly to the Israeli government rather than allocated under a specific program. Also, starting in 1982, Israel began to receive all its economic aid in a lump sum early in the fiscal year instead of in quarterly installments as is done for other countries (for 2000, Israel received $1.37 billion of its military aid in the first month and the remaining $550 million was delayed for budgetary reasons). Israel is not required to provide an accounting of how the funds are used. Israel also receives offsets on FMS purchases (U.S. contractors agree to offset some of the cost of military equipment by buying components or materials from Israel).

See also the U.S. Assistance to Israel table.


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Source: Clyde Mark, Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, (DC: Congressional Research Service, 1997-2000).
 
Prior to the 1970's the Arab nations got more from us.

Cluster-
I totally disagree with that unless they have a license to manufacture black hawks, f-15's and m-16's. If they do I would consider it a breach of national security.
Hopefully some of the info I'm posting will support my feelings.
 
clusterfoxtrot said:
Funny part was it was an El Salvadoran guy that bought the stuff. I am sure I will see some guy mowing a lawn wearing a BF "SLip it In" shirt oneday.

you sold a "Slip it in" shirt???

aww man.. that is bad!!!
 
Our Beachhead in the Middle East


Since Israel's declaration of independence in 1948 it has been involved in five wars with neighboring states. Its vulnerable location -- bordered by Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, and within missile distance, of Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia -- has prompted the U.S. to maintain a commitment, since the Truman administration, to "safeguard Israel's security and well-being" and cultivate its "qualitative edge." In other words, we help make Israel's military technology far superior to that of any of its neighbors'. This also, incidentally, helps the U.S. "secure access to [Middle Eastern] energy resources."

Barely larger than New Jersey, Israel is nonetheless the fourth-largest recipient of weapons from the U.S. -- since 1993, it has received close to $10 billion in weapons alone -- as well as engaging in joint military exercises, weapon research and development programs, and exchanges of military scientists and engineers with the United States.


The Hawk stops aircraft dead House-to-house in Hebron


To help fund its operations, Israel has since 1986 received an annual U.S. allotment of $1.8 billion in foreign military financing (FMF), dedicated to weapon procurement. Israel is also the only country allowed to spend $475 million of its FMF each year to develop and buy weapons domestically. And Israel's due for a raise: The 1999 Omnibus Bill allots the country an additional $6 million next year for procurement and also raises the cap on Israel's own weapons development by $15 million.

It's quite a deal, considering that the U.S. has indirectly contributed to Israel's 1993-1995 ranking as the world's seventh-largest arms supplier. But this has not gone unnoticed or uncriticized in the U.S.; Israel is notorious for selling weapons to countries such as China and apartheid-era South Africa while the U.S. and much of the world imposed sanctions against them for human-rights abuses or strategic threats.

The U.S. also fears that Israel's close partnership and resulting knowledge of sophisticated military technology is propelling still-secret American weapons into the wrong hands. The U.S. Arms Export Control Act (AECA) specifically states that no country may sell U.S. "defense articles or service" to a third country (known as unauthorized retransfer) without U.S. approval. From 1975 to 1995, 17 reports went to Congress concerning so-called end-use violations, seven of which pertained to Israel. Yet the U.S. has continually backed down from taking action against Israel, primarily due to enormous pressure from Israel's well-organized congressional lobby. Also, according to Dov Zakheim, former deputy undersecretary of defense under Reagan, "They have never been caught red-handed. It is reasonably safe to say that Israel is not foolish enough to transfer stuff that can be found out."

Two of Israel's alleged end-use violations involve "selling modified versions of our weapons" or "sending technicians familiar with our equipment" to other countries, Zakheim says. In one case, Israel allegedly sold a modified version of the Patriot missile to China in 1992, which led the State Department to send an investigative team to Israel. The team found no evidence to support the claims.

In another case, there is the possibility that the PL-8 missiles China made and then sold to Iraq have U.S. Sidewinder technology on board -- which Israel may have passed to China in the sale of its own, possibly Sidewinder-enhanced, missiles.

More recently, tensions over the Arrow land-to-air ballistic missile defense system have developed, with rumors of a possible sale to India of certain components of that system; this would violate U.S. sanctions against India for its nuclear tests. But the Arrow case is especially sensitive because just two of the missile's five components were joint Israeli-American creations, while the other three were developed unilaterally by Israel, including the missile's Green Pine radar. Nonetheless, American pride gets in the way of resolving the conflict: Duncan Hunter, a professor of international security at American University in Washington, D.C., told Defense News that "to make the case that Arrow components are exclusively Israeli [is] not well received in the Pentagon or State Department."


U.S. arms sales in the Clinton years

Direct government sales
Government-approved sales
(scale in millions of dollars)



Israel has received 14 Bell Textron AH-1E attack helicopters (October 1995, under the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program, free), software for its F-15s from Boeing (also free through the EDA), 17-Nov-95 two Hughes AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder counterbattery radars (November 1995), and 2,640 Hughes TOW-2A/B anti-tank missiles. United Technologies' Sikorsky division chipped in 15 Sikorsky UH-60L Black Hawk helicopters (April 1997, $53 million), while United Defense unloaded 28 M-577 command APCs.

Israel has also received a veritable cornucopia of arms from Lockheed Martin in the 1990s, including 301 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) tactical rocket pods and related support (October 1997 FMS, $30 million), a passel of Hellfire II anti-tank missiles (April 1995, DCS, $45 million), and 121 free Martin Marietta Walleye missile tubes, courtesy of the Pentagon's EDA program.

These arms sales continue in spite of criticisms of Israel's human-rights record (particularly toward the Palestinians) and its relations with Lebanon. According to the U.S. State Department's annual report on human rights, Israel's "High Court of Justice heard 46 abuse-related cases -- almost all asking for an injunction to halt the torture of a specific individual." The Israeli government may legally use force during interrogations and detain prisoners for periods of time without explanation or allowing contact with lawyers and family.

Israel also continues to bulldoze Palestinian homes when those homes lack construction permits, which Israel never gives them, according to the Palestinian Committee on Land and the Environment. Israel, the committee says, has demolished 700 homes since 1993.

Tensions with Lebanon continue along with sporadic fighting, shelling, and killings of noncombatant civilians on both sides.

But the U.S. remains bound to Israel. As Bob Satloff, executive director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, states, "We are getting a good bargain and it is a fairly reasonable investment in Israel's security. It helps to ensure allied security."

-- Suzie Larsen

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