Another thread for help planning next cycle

[Steroid Guru]

I have just completed my 3rd cycle. My first cycle just was not planned very well so I did not gain much there. I blew up my 2nd cycle, but this one I just completed, I didn't gain much at all. My first cycle was just Dbol...yes I know that was stupid, but that was before I found this board. My 2nd and 3rd were 500mg test and 400mg deca.
So i'm planning my 4th cycle and looking for some suggestions on what I should do. Oh my current stats are 6'1 and 207lbs, not sure about body fat but it would probably be on the lower side. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

 

[DieselGunz]

what are your goals?

 

[Steroid Guru]

I want to gain more mass. I want to hit around 220lbs on my next cycle and then probably do a cutting cycle for the one after.

 

[sweed]

test dbol. maybe test eq

 

[DiezdEagle21]

What's up fellas? Appreciate all the info being shared! Wanted to get some feedback regarding my second cycle that I will start in November. Straight Test Eth and Deca. 300 mg each once a week. First cycle which I started in Nov of 2005, was 250 Test E and 300 Deca but unfortunately was undergoing some legal trouble and missed a shot here and there. Still managed some good gains (20 lbs).

Stats: 5'11 200lbs about 11%bf. low carb diet about 300g of protein.

Thought I should mention that I developed some acne on shoulders and back. Currently seeing a dermatologist which is helping.

By the way anyone heard of U.S. Pharmaceuticals??

 

[black sheep]

What's up fellas? Appreciate all the info being shared! Wanted to get some feedback regarding my second cycle that I will start in November. Straight Test Eth and Deca. 300 mg each once a week. First cycle which I started in Nov of 2005, was 250 Test E and 300 Deca but unfortunately was undergoing some legal trouble and missed a shot here and there. Still managed some good gains (20 lbs).

Stats: 5'11 200lbs about 11%bf. low carb diet about 300g of protein.

Thought I should mention that I developed some acne on shoulders and back. Currently seeing a dermatologist which is helping.

By the way anyone heard of U.S. Pharmaceuticals??

get you own thread

 

[black sheep]

Test / Deca / D-Bol - That is the classic ultimate bulker IMO. If your okay with deca, bump up the dosages and run test at 750 and deca at 600.

 

[solidspine]

Fourth cycle


Plan PCT, Anti-e, diet, Training, etcccc…………………



1) D-bol from Russia week’s 1-4 50mg max
2) Primo, week’s 1-12 600mg
3) Fina or as you say Tren weeks 1-5 50mg ED max
4) Test E 600mg weeks 1-12

You could easily and maybe should start the Fina a week after the d-bol.


Eat, and Eat, and Eat, and grow, Oh yeah eat protein, fat and everything except carbs or anything that turns to sugar.






Good Luck.

 

[Steroid Guru]

Hey bros, I had to bring this thread back. I appreciate everyones opinions but I think i'm going to go with Prop and tren. I realize this isnt a typical bulking cycle but my goals have somewhat changed. I'm not looking to gain as much mass, I would like lean muscle. So my cycle would look like this.

1-8 weeks 500mg Prop
1-6 weeks 350mg Tren A

How does that look to you guys? I havent done too much research as far as PCT for this cycle, but I definitely will. This is my first time using Tren, should I be using Letro and dostinex while on cycle?

 

[krishna]

tren/eq/proviron

 

[Steroid Guru]

Krishna, can you please elaborate on that cycle. Why would you choose EQ instead of prop? I thought every cycle should include test?

 

[Caulliflower Ear]

Test / Deca / D-Bol - That is the classic ultimate bulker IMO. If your okay with deca, bump up the dosages and run test at 750 and deca at 600.

im with this one. Classic bulker. I would say run test prop just cause it can be monitored much better than cyp or eth. Run aifm throughout. dbol for only 4 weeks...youu could run the rest for about 12 maybe....hcg definatly nessicary for this one bro...one week before and two weeks after last shot...keep us posted...happy growing

 

[krishna]

Krishna, can you please elaborate on that cycle. Why would you choose EQ instead of prop? I thought every cycle should include test?

I no longer put test in any of my cycles unless it's hcg. Eq provides a solid base gear for collagen synthesis. Adding test at doses above hrt doses counteracts connective tissue formation; and in fact, even slows it down below what it would be without any gear at all. I also don't like test because it shuts me down too hard and gives me sides. If I run a full cycle without test, I get another little boost when I recover because I introduce a new androgen - test - back into my system which my body hasn't had much of for that past 15 weeks or so. If someone is coming off of a cycle with test, when you recover afterward, your gains tend to drop off because your body is making much less test than what it's used to having while on cycle. With testless cycles, any test your body makes is an added benefit afterward because it hasn't had it for awhile. Make sense?

 

[Steroid Guru]

I no longer put test in any of my cycles unless it's hcg. Eq provides a solid base gear for collagen synthesis. Adding test at doses above hrt doses counteracts connective tissue formation; and in fact, even slows it down below what it would be without any gear at all. I also don't like test because it shuts me down too hard and gives me sides. If I run a full cycle without test, I get another little boost when I recover because I introduce a new androgen - test - back into my system which my body hasn't had much of for that past 15 weeks or so. If someone is coming off of a cycle with test, when you recover afterward, your gains tend to drop off because your body is making much less test than what it's used to having while on cycle. With testless cycles, any test your body makes is an added benefit afterward because it hasn't had it for awhile. Make sense?

Yes, that is a very interesting approach. I have never heard it explained like that before, and it sounds like its definitely worth a try.

 

[krishna]

Yes, that is a very interesting approach. I have never heard it explained like that before, and it sounds like its definitely worth a try.

Of course tons of people will say that you gotta have test, but I've put a lot of thought and research into my approach, and it is definitely working well for me. Pretty much all the old timers I've talked to that started accumulating injuries to their joints, ligaments, etc. used high doses of test throughout their careers. It doesn't make sense to add so much mass while weakening connective tissue formation. If you stick with certain gear, instead of test, you can actually strengthen and accelerate connective tissue formation. Gear which acieves this is eq, deca, primo, and anavar. Winny has been shown to accelerate collagen synthesis, but my inhibit cross-hatching and tissue formation (which may explain why people say it's hard on their joints). It is also a dht derivative, which may dry you out some and cause pain in the joints. I'm using deca, eq, or primo as my base in all my cycles from now on.

 

[rakasha681]

Of course tons of people will say that you gotta have test, but I've put a lot of thought and research into my approach, and it is definitely working well for me. Pretty much all the old timers I've talked to that started accumulating injuries to their joints, ligaments, etc. used high doses of test throughout their careers. It doesn't make sense to add so much mass while weakening connective tissue formation. If you stick with certain gear, instead of test, you can actually strengthen and accelerate connective tissue formation. Gear which acieves this is eq, deca, primo, and anavar. Winny has been shown to accelerate collagen synthesis, but my inhibit cross-hatching and tissue formation (which may explain why people say it's hard on their joints). It is also a dht derivative, which may dry you out some and cause pain in the joints. I'm using deca, eq, or primo as my base in all my cycles from now on.

If you include both test, and EQ in the same cycle, will you get some of the benefits of the connective tissue formation, or does the test cancel it out? How about running a higher amount of EQ then test?

 

[Steroid Guru]

Can anyone help me with what I should be using on cycle to prevent tren gyno? Dostinex? Letro? Bromo?

 

[krishna]

If you include both test, and EQ in the same cycle, will you get some of the benefits of the connective tissue formation, or does the test cancel it out? How about running a higher amount of EQ then test?

No, not if the test doses are aver 200mg/wk. It will actually slow collagen formation more than if you weren't even using AAS.

 

[rakasha681]

No, not if the test doses are aver 200mg/wk. It will actually slow collagen formation more than if you weren't even using AAS.

Looks like i'll be re-thinking my next cycle, since i have a long history of connective tissues problems. Would replacing the test in the cyle in my sig with deca be a good way to go?

 

[rakasha681]

Can anyone help me with what I should be using on cycle to prevent tren gyno? Dostinex? Letro? Bromo?

Dostinex or Bromo, but bromo has more sides for most people.

 

[krishna]

Looks like i'll be re-thinking my next cycle, since i have a long history of connective tissues problems. Would replacing the test in the cyle in my sig with deca be a good way to go?

I wouldn't run tren and deca together bro.

 

[rakasha681]

Hey Krishna, do you have any refrence you can point me to for test slowing down collagen formation? everything i've been able to find is pointing in the opposite direction...

"The direct effects of testosterone on cellular collagen synthesis have not been extensively studied; however, most available data suggests that it has a stimulatory effect (Fischer et al., 1985; Franchimont et al., 1991). For example, testosterone increases collagen synthesis by vascular smooth muscle cells in culture
(Leitman et al., 1994), and administration of testosterone increases the accumulation of collagen and elastin in the aorta of normal and cholesterol-fed animals (Silbiger et al., 1995)."