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Some people are truly fucked up in the head....no excuse for that kind of bull shit on the net..CRAZY!
 
i have heard that there were these sites, but after reading what some of these girls say, it gives me the chills. that is so sad, it just makes them think it is ok, and that they don't have a problem when they get advice from others. it just encourages it. i just don't understand it. i live for food!
 
I am a "regular" over at the Thin Page and I understand your point of view. There are lots of very sick girls there, but the majority of ladies there are like me, wanting to be thin, but not unhealthy. I dont starve or purge or use laxatives or any of that stuff. And I always advise others not to do so as well.

anyway, someone from here posted at that site and that is how I found my way over here. Whoever it was I would just like to say "Thanks" this is a great place! Now that I've lost the weight its time to go from "flab" to "fab"!!

Thank again,
PJ
 
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Karde,

It's amazes me that you come to the Thin Forums and criticize us for having warped images and dangerous mental illnesses when many of you "health" buffs are every bit as body-obessed as we are.

While we starve ourselves to what you feel are unhealthy and skeletal proportions, you take drugs and lift weights until your bodies are twisted into what I feel are strange and unrealistic proportions.

Which is fine with me, really. Whatever floats your boat. It frankly amuses me to watch the muscle-folk strain themselves at the gym while trying to outdo one another. But take a long look in the mirror before you come to other sites to rudely criticize. I'm sure that you have a few choice, deep-seated, psychological issues that led you to bodybuilding, just as mine led me to anorexia. Something told you that veiny, bulbous projections on your body are attractive in the same way that something told me that long, thin limbs are attractive and desirable.

I enjoy coming to sites like this one for "health" information, but sincerely wish that our respective sites could discontinue the flame wars. We are not doing anything to offend you. Why come into our site and hurl childish insults?

Wishing you continued success in your quest to look like a barbaric Neanderthal,

signed,

Trance, who carries on in her quest to remain a skeletal freak.
 
Trance,

I do hope you come over to this board to read this... There are a lot of women here who have walked your walk and talked your talk. And they chose to do something with their bodies that would result in being able to live long, healthy full and fulfilled lives. Not sleep walk through each day lackluster, leading half lives, half-lived.

It is indeed a choice to remain a victim or to be a survivor...

the women who are here who lift, whether they have had an eating disorder or not, are survivors/fighters .

they are women who choose to put the power of themselves to the test and who revel in their strength as individuals and as women. they choose to take charge and be aware of not just one thing (whether or not they are thin enough or big in their own vision) but on the completeness and totality of themselves. They are living fully aware not only of what they are putting in their mouths but of how every atom in their bodies is being effected by those morsels..how every bite every mineral is working to make the temple that is the keeper of their transient souls work to its best. They take control and hold control over their lives and their destinies not by becoming victims and allowing their bodies to self-consume as a scream against injustice and an attempt to control some variable in their lives, a tepid grasp at true control and self-commitment....They choose to try to stay in this world and reach their full potential, their full power by giving the gift of themselves to themselves. They are aware on multiple levels of the interactions of life on their bodies because everything in your life impacts the vehicle carrying you through it. The women on this board live an obsession with living fully and completely. they don't all use drugs as you imply infact that is in my estimation the exception rather than the rule they use discipline, self-respect, commitment and damn hard work to achieve excellence in their bodies, minds and lives. they are alive and will continue to be alive and functioning long after so many other beautiful women of incredible gifts, talents and promise have starved themselves into early graves. You seem bright, articulate, passionate... I do hope you consider my perspective fully and don't become a dead statistic or a walking vegetable because your body can't sustain your mind.
 
Interesting that she neglects to realize that a large percentage of people on here are 100% au natural. And not everybody is looking to be the incredible hulk, many are looking to climb the health ladder.
 
Sigh.

You neglect to realize that many who post on the Thin Forum are not skeletal. If you can dish out the stereotypes, be prepared to take them, sweetie.
 
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Trance said:

Wishing you continued success in your quest to look like a barbaric Neanderthal,

signed,

Trance, who carries on in her quest to remain a skeletal freak.

THANK YOU!!!! :D

I have been called many things, but a barbaric Neanderthal - THAT is a new one!

HHEHEHhehaoehaohehahehaoehhaehehaehaeaeae

Oh wait... maybe I am just not there yet! DAMMIT!

See, I have NO ONE to compete with... but myself. I'd say, the toughest competition there is. But then again, that's only me.

I used to be you and like so many women at the "thin pages" or whatever it's called.... because I valued myself so little I did whatever I could to try and make myself so physically small that one day, perhaps I'd disappear. It was pretty funny really... I'd KILL myself in the gym with pathetic little girly weights (because that is all I had the strength for from lack of FOOD - no magic - JUST FOOD) and hours of cardio yet I was NEVER satisfied because no matter how skinny and small I was I WAS FLABBY AND SOFT AND WEAK.

I hope to GOD that none of my daughters EVER SEE such pathetic misery as what is on that site. It scared THE HECK out of me.

I want them to feed their bodies as well as thier minds.... I want them to love and value themselves REGARDLESS of their weight or clothing size.... I want them to value strength of character as well as the strength of their bodies.....

Yes, STRENGTH is a most desirable attribute - SURPRIZE!!!! for us gurly-girls TOO! :D
 
BMOM speaks the truth! amen!

Now Im going to have to take a look at that site...I saw a special on dateline about these websites that actually teach girlz how to binge/purge, etc....truly sad :(
 
Simple question

Do any of you think we truly enjoy being anorexic?

Do you think we're out recruiting? Most kids who stumble on the siite will realize very quickly how difficult our lives are and get the hell out. It's not a fad or a lifestyle, it's a disease. Those who come for the quick diet fix will leave soon enough.

Do you think I'd wish years of self-torture on any young girl? I'm a parent as well. I would never want my child or any child to go through the pain that I have gone through as an anorexic.

Perhaps we just find solace in talking to others like us who understand, and perhaps we'd like to do so without people flaming us. It hurts me that people tend to have so little compassion for their fellow man. You know nothing about us as individuals, and yet you come into our site and judge. You, who are probably judged often for your odd appearances. Tell me, muscle women, that you don't know what it's like to be stared at. I'm sure we share that commonality.

Please leave us alone. I come to the thin forum for a little peace and understanding. I have not been innocent in the flame wars, but I will no longer post on them. I'm tired of fighting.

Before you judge someone's character or way of life, maybe you should take the time to learn a little about them.

Even if you don't agree, at least think about the opinion of this anorexic "freak". We both have "extreme" views regarding body image and physical expectations. There's no reason we can't respect one another's differences.
 
You probably enjoy it about as much as I DID. HATED IT! The more I engaged in the anorixic/bulimic behavior, the more I hated MYSELF for it, the more I continued to punish myself WITH THE BEHAVIOR..... it was a vicious cycle.

What you do not understand is that MANY of the women here once had those eating disorders. I can't speak for everyone here, I can only speak for myself. Though I no longer engage in the behavior, the thoughts STILL COME. Yes, everytime there is a crisis in my life (and with the divorce hell I am in - BELIEVE ME... THERE IS NO SHORTAGE) my first reaction is that I am weak, I am small, I'll NEVER be anything, never amount to anything, am unlovable and DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED!!! But then I take a deep breath and realize that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE STATEMENTS IS PURE BULLSHIT!

I AM STRONG and I AM BETTER THAN THAT!

What you don't understand is that yes, I used to get some kind of rush when people used to stare at me because I was so thin. They would raise their eyebrows and say, "My God, know one would have EVER guessed that you had four kids!" That is because I looked like a 15 year old KID who had a superfast metabolism.... either that or I just didn't eat (DUH!). And then they would say, "Well you must just be GENETICALLY like that." Because who in THIER RIGHT MIND would do THAT to themselves ON PURPOSE?!?!?! Ummmmm, NO, no genetics - I JUST STARVED AND WORK-OUTED TO DEATH.

Since I "snapped out of it" and decided that I wanted to be SOMETHING MORE, you are right, people DO STARE, but the look is not the same. Now people do not look at me as if I am a genetic freak (Women used to give me that "lucky bitch" stare of hate.). Now they STARE AT ME WITH PART ADMIRATION/ PART DISBELIEF. After all, how could a women who has had so many children and who is approaching her mid thirties POSSIBLY be so strong, self-confident, and sexy?!

Yesterday night at the gym I was payed A VERY HIGH compliment. I am training at a new gym w/my friend Fitness Chick. She is destined for the Olympia I believe. She is in THE BEST SHAPE OF HER LIFE (Her physique is FAR superior to mine.) and she is about ten years younger. She is AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL TO BOOT. There is no comparison. I feel driven and motivated by her.... she is a tremendous inspiration, yet I feel ZERO jealousy. She put the time and dedication into her physique and DESERVES every bit of the accolades that she receives. You must realize that next to her, I am all but invisible in the gym. But that is very cool with me as I am there to train and be better - not to "be on display". hehehehee Anyways, the owner of the gym, himself a professional bodybuilder came up to us while we were training, interupted (of course, not while we were executing any movements - LOL) and said to me, "Are those REALLY all of your kids?!" I said, "Yes, REALLY hehehhee" Then he said, "If you don't mind my asking, how old ARE YOU?!" Mind you, I looked like shit - NEVER wear ANY makeup to train and my hair hadn't been washed for two days. I replied, "Not at all. I am 34." He just walked away with his eyes wide, shaking his head abit. hehehehheeee :D

You see, now people look at my body and admire my accomplishments and are inspired to train hard and eat right or AT LEAST quit smoking or make a few dietary changes.

Do you see the difference?

I have been to other websites where people with eating disorders go for support. But there is a difference between openly discussing a basically "undiscussable issue" (because of the guilt associated with the disorder) to try and OVERCOME a problem and almost glorifying the desire to be thin REGARDLESS of the cost.

Go back and re-read your posts. I realize that much of what you wrote was said with tremendous sarcasm, but saw right through it and heard the self-loathing and misery.

Am I satisfied with my physique? To a great extent, YES. Could it be improved upon? Of course! If I was never able to get ANY BIGGER would I DIE of self-hatred?! ABSOLUTLEY NOT!! As a matter of fact, I am COMPLETELY satisfied with my size overall. I only need to add abit here and there to be more balanced and symmetrical (has to do with competition). As for my bf% ... that can be EASILY altered with diet and activity level. I have enough lean mass and the knowledge about how to do this....Besides, unless I have a shoot or a show, whether I am a smooth and sexy 20% or a lean and hard 12% or ripped up and dried out, ready to step out onto stage for a competition at 6% I am EQUALLY BEAUTIFUL and EQUALLY HAPPY!

Can you say the same about yourself? Tell me that if you gain TWO POUNDS YOU DON'T WIG?! Tell me that if your clothing doesn't get THE TEENIEST BIT tight, you DO NOT WIG?! Tell me that if you ARE NOT THE SKINNIEST CREATURE in the room, that YOU DO NOT WIG?!

Guess what? I don't HAVE TO WIG because I have my mass and it is all good.

Regardless of who I am on the outside - I am discovering who I am on the inside.... SHE IS PRETTY FUCKING COOL.

I suspect that it is the same with most of you, sadly, the world may never know as you spend too much time hating her and trying to keep her hidden.... sucks ass being numb. IT TRULY SUCKS ASS.

That is why I always tell women to BUILD MASS FIRST and worry about losing fat LATER.
 
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I am a member of the Thin Forum and I just wanted to reply to your "disgust" at us:
I hope that you all realize that your obsession with your bodies is no different than our obsessions with our bodies. You think that you are being healthy but I work out at a gym called Main Event Fitness in ATL and there are hundreds of people like you there. I have known and heard about more personal trainers and bodybuilders dropping dead than anorexics or bulimics. Our obsessions are not just about losing weight but having control, etc. I am sure that a lot of you have the same issues and that is why you have dedicated your life to perfecting and shaping your bodies. Please don't criticize us for doing what makes us feel good and gets us to our goal. I think that most of us our old enough to know right and wrong. I myself am 24 years old and married. Not all the people on the thin forum are clueless teenagers looking to lose weight. I need that website-I have made alot of friends there and those people are ALWAYS there when I need advice or have a problem. It is not a place for us to lure unsuspecting children in to make them binge and purge. I just want you all to understand that the Thinforum is a support group for most of us. Not all of us are ready to recover but in the mean time we have each other to go to and to me that is a wonderful thing!
 
Kaizen,

That was a wonderful post! So eloquent, articulate & inspirational!

According to American Anorexia Bulemia Assoc: One percent of teenage girls in the U.S. develop anorexia nervosa and up to 10% of those may die as a result.

It is classified as a mental disorder & disease, is it not?

Whereas eating a clean diet & strength training are proven to have a myriad of *benefits* to one's health.

Spatts makes a good point that perhaps we are 'obsessive' [I admit I am!], but we are obsessing over something that brings positive changes to our bodies, health, spirit, & lives.
 
Spatterson-

I don't have scientific evidence but in my experience I have lost more people around me to deaths dealing with bodybuilding than with anorexia or bulimia. I am not saying that bodybuilding is wrong--all I am saying is that it is also dangerous for some people who go overboard. I am just angry about all the people who are coming to the Thinforum trying to motivate us and save us--trying to tempt us to come to your side. We do what we do because it is what we do. Just like for you all-it is a way of life for us. All the negativity and people acting like they are offering us this alternative we had never considered before is annoying. I think that most of us know that eating a balanced diet and doing cardio everyday is a great way to lose weight but eating disorders are not all about losing weight. I read on the ThinForum that one person decided to come here to chat instead of there because this was more what they were looking for. I am glad for that. I think a lot of people on the ThinForum are in the wrong place but for those of us who need it and truly value the advice we get from there---it is the absolute right place.
 
Gladiola-

How do you know that this is not a positive thing for us in some ways? Having my clothes fall off of me is an extremely positive thing for me. Having my husband want me 24/7 is a positive thing for me. Walking down the street and knowing that I starting to look damn good is a positive thing for me. Knowing that food does not control my life is a positive thing for me. Knowing that if I do slip up and eat something bad I can go back and erase it is a very positive thing for me.
Anyway-yes it is a mental illness and I am aware that there are several issues that are involved with my eating disorder and it is not just losing weight. That is the main reason why I get so frustrated with people from this site coming to the thinforum and trying to offer us this new fitness lifestyle.
You know...no one knows how long we have on this earth. We could be living our normal life, working hard at our desk and all of a sudden...some asshole decides to fly a plane into our office building and were all dead. I want to live my life looking good and feeling like I have control over my life. I don't want to die and have all these regrets about how I never took control.
 
wlibbe said:
Gladiola-

How do you know that this is not a positive thing for us in some ways? Having my clothes fall off of me is an extremely positive thing for me. Having my husband want me 24/7 is a positive thing for me. Walking down the street and knowing that I starting to look damn good is a positive thing for me. Knowing that food does not control my life is a positive thing for me.
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Well, you know that it is not a positive thing for your health & I find it hard to fathom that something that is detrimental to my health could have positive effects on my life. But I gotta admit, I see your point - I can see how that is positive *for you*. Plus, not letting food control you is something positive for everyone.

As long as you are aware of the potential consequences of your actions.

And yes, we could all be hit by a bus or a plane at any moment in time.... but if you took that analogy to heart, than you would never do *anything* sensible!! Why use birth control [if you may die tomorrow]? Why save money? Why write a resume & send it out? I don't live my life thinking I may die tomorrow.
 
Man - I am a bit late on this topic, but I checked out that thinforum and it literally made me sick to my stomach......

That is absolutely horrible. I will admit, I only read one thread and it was giving a girl suggestions on where to dispose of her vomit. The thing I have a problem with is the fact that the girls that were posting on elite from that forum were saying its a support group - and the way they were joking and carrying on on that thread about "hiding" the vomit and so forth was sickening.

That is so unhealthy to do to your body. Thats the main issue. It tears up your insides....

I think that anorexia and bulemia is for weak individuals who don't have the willpower and strength to lose way the healthy way - it's an easy way out and a cop out.

The women here on elite are very sexy and feminine and NOT overweight or masculine. Anyone can make themselves vomit after eating like a glutton - but NOT everyone can push themselves to work out and eat sensibly and aquire a much more attractive physique.
 
Forgive me, but I've just read a few of your threads. Clenbuterol and anabolic steroids are both illegal and highly dangerous.

And WE'RE the sick ones??

Sheesh.
 
Instead of giving each other advice about which drug to shoot into your ass, why don't you give advice on building muscle naturally?
 
I've never gotten near a drug, thank you. I'm totally natural, as are many others.
 
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I don't vomit. I merely keep my calories at a low level, eat lots of protein and exercise. Just like many others.
 
This is an interesting topic.... obviously a very sensitive topic as well. I think both "sides" engage in somewhat "obsessive" relationships with food & training/cardio. Some people are driven by how they look, how they want to look, how they feel they look - and this is all indirectly a result of how they view themselves. Sometimes there is some physical cause for it (naturally very thin, naturally very heavy, whatever). For extremes, though, regardless of how they pursue their goals (more control, feel good because their "clothes fall off", big muscles, tight abs, whatever) there is a certain degree of basic truth in nutrition and body physiology that needs to be understood in order for the body to be healthy. If the body isn't healthy, the rest really doesn't matter.

I haven't spent a lot of time looking at the thin forum stuff -- I know a few anorexics, I've been overweight most of my life. But both of us will be better people if we understand - the body needs protein to be strong, it needs a full range of nutrients to function optimally, it needs some carbs to have energy, it needs some fats to function well, it needs lots of water to keep it flushed, it only needs enough to run - too much gets stored as fat, not enough and it starts to feed on itself to keep running. Exercise is good - just look at the statistics on obesity in the US due to sedentary, McDonald's-laden lifestyles. Not enough results in a sludgy life. Too much results in the body feedingon itself. Its a well-established fact that being too thin first fucks up the menstrual cycle, which fucks up bone density, which ultimate leads to broken bones, constant weakness and a generally feeble quality of life. This phenomenon is observed in both anorexics and many competitive female athletes.

Both "sides" have experienced flaming by other people who can't comprehend the lifestyle that each chooses. But both sides are lame if they dont' at least understand what they are doing. Starvation, constant cardio, etc. don't really accomplish anything in the long run. A wide variety good quality food, cardio & resistance training are good.

Then after we get past all the basic things that the body needs to function at all, then we need to address the mental aspects of it. If you feel crappy about yourself or your ability to be in control or whatever, then work on it what ever way you need -- but you HAVE to recognize the things that the body needs - simply as a law of nature. You have the power to manipulate it, but what the hell good is it if it kills you in the end? Apply the basic rules then at least you have a life in which to explore the more extreme sides of the spectrum. And for all of us, if you dont' understand someone else's lifestyle, ask. If you feel that someone else's life style is counter productive, its hard to not share your views, but just as I don't want a religious fanatic standing on my front door step telling me I'm going to burn in Hell because I didn't attend their latest meeting, I try to keep my views to myself, offer when I think they will help and stop trying to offer when it is not wanted.

Did any of that make any sense? :confused: Its real easy to get into a discussion, start labeling people, etc. but its also good to pull yourself out of a category that is getting labeled just long enough to get your own objective view....
 
Sassy69--

Your post made a lot of sense to me. A lot of the things that you said were all true. There is only one thing that you are forgetting about. I can't speak for everyone who has an eating disorder but I know that for me and for a lot of people...we don't care about the health consequences and we know what they are. We are all very knowledgeable about what can happen to the body. We try to avoid some of these things like I drink Pedia-lyte to help with the imbalance of electrolytes caued by vomiting. But for the most part-I think we feel invincible to these things or just flat out don't care. I swear-that is the first thing people say to me--don't you know the health consequences? I am a 24 year old woman-I know the consequences. But a lot of people engage in risky behavior like abusing alcohol or drugs. At least our addiction does not completly screw up our lives. We can still function at our jobs. People don't get fired because they are losing too much weight. Anyway-I just wanted to point that out. Maybe a lot of you don't understand that this is not a diet method.
 
Trance and Wlibbe

Glad to see you are here and taking part in the conversation about body perception and obsession...

Trance_ per your earlier post... I agree not all women on the thin forum (or men for that matter) are skeletal however your closing line about pursuing an obssession to be a skeletal freak prior to my post does infer a certain commitment to a way of being that is not conducive to a long and healthy life...

WLibbe - Losing people to a BBing lifestyle is likely to occur for myriad reasons but I'd beg to differ that in the general norm of experience more individuals living a bbing lifestyle are likely to die that those with eating disorders... I think your further post about a common denominator of individuals with anorexia and bulemia knowing the health risks and not caring is horribly painful to me...

I've struggled with addiction and yes eating disorders are addictions and addictions can be controlled and broken...that is personal choice. No matter what my perception or commitment to my addiction was at that time I also knew it was wrong and while I was not strong enough to conquer it at that time, I would not turn around and draw someone into that addiction with me and drag them down by telling them where to score... Last thursday night November 15, a friend struggling with trying to beat dual addiction to alcohol and heroin put a gun to his head and blew his brains out...He was 45 years old..he had people who loved him, a daughter he was immensly proud of and he gave up. he started drinking he used again that day...People intervened people told him he was loved that the addiciton wasn't love, it wasn't safety, it wasn't healing...but it made him feel better for a moment took away pain and fear and uncertainty that he refused to challenge and face and overcome... his choice was to give up on himself let his addiction take control and then take himself away from us... It makes me damn angry. Angry that an obsession was more important than the impact he did and could have continued to have on the lives of those around him... He had a laugh that would roll up the walls of any room and make total strangers stop in their tracks and grin with him... He had insights and a heart that wouldn't quit whne he loved someone and he let an addiction take the driver's seat ... He's dead by his own cognizant hand..he put that gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger..He knew the health issues and he didn't care either. And now, maybe now, when it is too late... I hope to god there is another place where he can look down from and see the pain he has wrought by his actions... maybe now he can see how important he was to this world to these lives he touched... We couldn't make him see it..that's not possible you're right because he refused to be self-reflexive enough to find the value in himself that we all saw... So do i get angry when brilliant women are sharing with other brilliant women ways to slowly starve to achieve some sort of relief from whatever pain or fear or uncertainty that aren't willing to overcome without an addictive crutch...You're damn right, I get angry. I beat my addiction. I'm challenged by my appearance ..I understand wanting to look good but it is for no one but myself... I am not looking any longer for something else to make me feel good...the "approval" of a drug drink, person, or whatever... I want me to approve of me as a person of strong mind strong will strong love and pure soul... I have a moral obligation to maintain those ephemerals in a body that will serve long and well in this world so that every person I am destined to meet will be able to meet me and I them... A moral obligation to take what I know about my addiction and to be self-reflexive and help others gain a perspective into their motivators not to follow me down a road of pain and self-destruction.

Mike was an incredible man who made a choice not to care about the ramifications... I walked closely in his footsteps and were it not for a single moment of clarity at one point in my life I would have pulled a trigger too... I chose to survive and then to thrive. Am I on a soapbox, yes. Am I anorexic or bulemic, no. Do I understand living for an addiction, yes. Do I run around telling people how to shoot or snort to get through their pain, god no. That is my challenge with and to Thinforum. Why are you teaching each other how to load the gun, syringe, vomit bag to pull the trigger, push the plunger, gag on a finger? Why do you want each other to push on to death in pursuit of addiction and skewed vision that's all i want to know... Why is killing yourself okay as long as it is with/without food? I'm not being sarcastic and I'm not being condescending and if you were watching me type this you would know it is with tears in my eyes... I don't understand. I want to know why!?!?! Why won't you fight?!?!?!? Why is thin the answer to sadness and fear and insecurity and when those things don't go away no matter how thin you are why won't you try another approach??!!!???
 
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There is only one thing that you are forgetting about. I can't speak for everyone who has an eating disorder but I know that for me and for a lot of people...we don't care about the health consequences and we know what they are.

Thx for the response --- I think we all agree that this is a dialog without a hope of achieving something except exchange a few views / insights and maybe vent a little.

In this case its an eating disorder, in other cases, people gorge themselves, some people drink, some snort whatever, some cut themselves. I guess the bottom line is that its a way of dealing with a self-perception or whatever you want to call it. But as thinking human beings who are not necessarily driven only by impulse, it is your choice to overcome or not. Every person has the right to choose to continue living with whatever is affliction until they either overcome it or it overcomes them. OK...well, maybe I need to throw in a caveat about situations of physical addictions, but, in general (and I hate to generalize, but i dont' know how else to bring my thoughts to a close), its your choice on the quality of your life. So other people's input is really irrelevant -- but if you know that something is destructive and you keep doing it --- ??? Seems like a life spent in a very frustrating, never-ending cycle. But again, its your life.

I hope I am not making you feel the need to defend yourself or your lifestyle - I dont' mean to do that because, it is your life, regardless of what I think. But the bulk of this thread goes back and forth about "yea but your side does this" and "yea but my side does this" --- don't let arguments like that justify why you are doing or not doing something. In my life if I know I'm doing something that is fucked up and I know its fucked up but I do it anyway - I know it doesn't have to be that way and I sure as hell try to stop that behavior.

My best to you who are caught in this cycle and I also use it to remind myself of the shit I do that is similar (in compulsive, non-constructive behavior). So I can be honest with myself about it and what I intend to do about it.
 
KBgrl-

What is going on? I logged off last night before all of this happened with SG. What did he say? Don't worry about him-he has no idea what a great person you are!! :)
Hope to talk to you soon!!

Libbe
 
wlibbe said:
KBgrl-

What is going on? I logged off last night before all of this happened with SG. What did he say? Don't worry about him-he has no idea what a great person you are!! :)
Hope to talk to you soon!!

Libbe

check ur PM in a few min.
 
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