Andy13, the perfect cycle

[BIGbouncer]

I read your post where you explained "the perfect cycle" with fast acting esters in the beginning and at the end. I've thought about doing a cycle like that for a long time. Prop and Cyp.

Well, here is my question: You recommend to start Prop at least 3 weeks before the last Cyp injecting, why?

My cycle looks like this:

1-2, Prop at 100mg EOD
1-6, Cyp at 600mg (inject twice a week)
7, Cyp at 400mg (inject twice a week)
8, Prop at 100mg EOD

I will taper from 600mg to 400mg, and the last week to about 300mg. Prop are fast acting, so I will get all those milligrams within week 8. I can't see any advantage in starting at week 5.

Of course, you might gain more like if I injected 1000mg Cyp instead of 600mg. But I'm not interested in more or less in this cycle that is by the way my first cycle.

So again, what's the point about starting fast acting esters 3-4 weeks before you actually need them?

Thank you!

 

[PARABOLAN]

why dont u add something other than test?? or do u wanna do a test only cycle??

 

[The Almighty]

why dont u add something other than test?? or do u wanna do a test only cycle??

Was just wondering that myself. Some EQ throughout the cycle would be a good addition.

 

[M56M]

Was just wondering that myself. Some EQ throughout the cycle would be a good addition.

I agree. and maybe some fina and winny too. Something to help make your gains more solid.

M56M

 

[The Almighty]

I agree. and maybe some fina and winny too. Something to help make your gains more solid.

M56M

I was about to suggest that, but then I read it was his first cycle. Test/EQ or Test/Winny would be great for a first timer.

 

[BIGbouncer]

Nah, I've been thinking about it. But I've heard good stuff about test only. If I wanted to have more milligrams in my cycle, I just as well could have added another 200-400mg of test than 400mg of eq/deca, with better results. But I think 600mg + kickstart are enough. Just my opinion.

Anyway, nice to know exactly what test will do for me too..

btw; doing arimidex throughout and clomid post.

 

[wildcat]

what about deca? test/deca i heard is great for first timers?

just trying to chime in.

 

[PARABOLAN]

dont get me wrong i have done a lot of test only cycles and they were great.. adding an anabolic would solidify ur gains though...

 

[The Almighty]

If you hear that test only is good then I say go for it. Probably a good idea to see how your body responds to test.

 

[GearedChupaCabra]

Oh yeah i remember my test/deca cycle....awesome gains, i loved it!

 

[BIGbouncer]

I believe in low-dosage cycles(after a lot of research, and asking guys about their first cycle etc which in many cases contain just one drug at low dosage). And 600mg is not much for me, because I weigh 264lbs at 6'2.
Anyway, test is the basic steroid. And i believe that it is the best steroid if one are to do a "one drug cycle".

Time will show whether I'm right or wrong. This is just what i believe now.

Thanks for the replies!

 

[The Iron Game]

best of luck with your cycle and wise decisions

 

[BIGbouncer]

best of luck with your cycle and wise decisions

Thx, now I just hope Andy13 will answer my question, if no one else know it..?

 

[The Iron Game]

why not just run 50mgs prop daily as oppossed to 100mgs eod for 8 weeks rather than switching back and forth. You have a 25 or 27 gauge 1 inch and 3/4 inch and you can inject quads, biceps, delts, triceps, calves etc. You have plenty of injection sites for once a week a body part injections.

now what exactly is your question if that didnt answer it

 

[Bulldog_10]

Hey bro...My advice on this cycle would be to stop the cyp in week 6 and start the prop again for weeks 7-8. I would actually stop the cyp in week 5 and hit the prop in weeks 6, 7, and 8. That way the cyp and prop will both clear your system around the same time, which is the whole point of running the short ester at the end.

 

[TxRugby_8]

damn, i didn't realize there are so many injection sites. Just playing. I probably should switch them around. Going 8 weeks with everyday injections and only switching quads each day. Probably gonna be some scar tissue there.

 

[BIGbouncer]

The_iron_Game, I think you have missunderstood my question, and the point of my cycle...?

I'm starting with prop(and cyp) to kick start my cycle. In my third week I guess my cyp will kick, so I stop the prop, but keep injecting the Cyp till week 7. In week 8 i start the prop again. And the reason why is because prop will go out of the system quite fast, so I can have high androgen levels all the way, and start clomid in just a few days after the last injection.

I know it's the same to inject prop ED or EOD for 8 weeks as you said(maybe you understood after all ) But God damn, that's a lot of injecting! I think I'll go for some Cyp in the middle of my cycle..


Bulldog_10:

Hey, yes, that's the point. My thoughts were to do the last Cyp injection thursday in week 7, and injecting the last prop(100mg) on friday in week 8. Then start clomid on thursday in week 9. That will give the Cyp 14 days and the prop 6 days to get out of the system. And I guess that is enough. Remember, I'm not doing Sus/omna.

I could even have injected the prop for another 2-4 days. But I have only 10ml



And once again the question is why someone recommend to start the fast acting ester way before one have stoped to inject the long acting ester?

Thanx for your input!

 

[Bulldog_10]

This is just me, but I would give the cyp 3 weeks to clear the system, maybe 2.5. But that's just personal preference. 2 weeks should be good!

And the reason behind starting the short esters before the long ones is obvious. If you just start with the cyp, it won't kick in for about 2-3 weeks, so you have a 2 weeks period during your cycle that nothing is really happening. So you add a short ester to "kick-start" the cycle.

 

[Andy13]

I don't believe I ever suggested starting with a shorter ester.

SAVE your shorter ester till the end!!!!! I would stop injecing cyp and begin prop at least two weeks before you are scheduled to be off. Then you can take one week off and begin clomid.


I have always recomended front loading longer esters in the beginning of a cycle. This accomplishes the same thing as using prop in the beginning but, at least in this case, saves you some injections and also some prop for the end.

Hope this helps.

Andy

 

[BIGbouncer]

I don't believe I ever suggested starting with a shorter ester.

SAVE your shorter ester till the end!!!!! I would stop injecing cyp and begin prop at least two weeks before you are scheduled to be off. Then you can take one week off and begin clomid.


I have always recomended front loading longer esters in the beginning of a cycle. This accomplishes the same thing as using prop in the beginning but, at least in this case, saves you some injections and also some prop for the end.

Hope this helps.

Andy

Hey

Maybe you ment frontloading the long acting, and not the prop. I guess it's the same either way(except the number of injections)..

But why should one inject the prop for at least 2 weeks at the end when it's fast acting and gets in and out of the system withing aprox. 48 hours? No need to wait for high blood concentration.
You said in your reply that I should wait a week before i start clomid. In my suggestion it will take about a week after last prop injection before the cyp is out of the system, and i start clomid.
I just thought that prop the last week would give me one last "powerweek", wont it?

I have 20ml cyp/200mg and 10ml prop/100mg. So it's limited..

thx man

 

[Andy13]

Hey

Maybe you ment frontloading the long acting, and not the prop. I guess it's the same either way(except the number of injections)..

But why should one inject the prop for at least 2 weeks at the end when it's fast acting and gets in and out of the system withing aprox. 48 hours? No need to wait for high blood concentration.
You said in your reply that I should wait a week before i start clomid. In my suggestion it will take about a week after last prop injection before the cyp is out of the system, and i start clomid.
I just thought that prop the last week would give me one last "powerweek", wont it?

Prop having a half life of 48hrs (or something close to it) doesn't mean it's "in and out of the blood" in that time. The reason for stopping the cypionate is to minimize time after a cycle waiting to begin clomid therapy.

No, prop won't give you one last boost. For the most part, xmg of test/week is xmg test/week when you are toward the end.

The main objective is to have your blood levels as consistant as possible. Why would you want a sudden jump at the end anyway? Your blood levels are already going to be at the cycle high. I would just swap the prop and cyp at that point and end on at least 2 weeks of prop.. Unless you want to be "off" and then kill three weeks doing nothing while you are waiting for your androgen levels to fall so that you can begin clomid.

Andy

 

[BIGbouncer]

Sorry I'm souch a dumbass, but i still don't get it. It would have been great if you told me in a little easier language.. I'm a Scandinavian, hehe

You said:

Prop having a half life of 48hrs (or something close to it) doesn't mean it's "in and out of the blood" in that time. The reason for stopping the cypionate is to minimize time after a cycle waiting to begin clomid therapy.

-Correct, that's the whole reason. I'm with you...


No, prop won't give you one last boost. For the most part, xmg of test/week is xmg test/week when you are toward the end.

-Ok, still with you.. I expressed myself a little wrong when I said "one last boost". What ment was a last week(or two) with prop would cause more gains than if I didn't inject any prop at all at the end.

The main objective is to have your blood levels as consistant as possible. Why would you want a sudden jump at the end anyway? Your blood levels are already going to be at the cycle high. I would just swap the prop and cyp at that point and end on at least 2 weeks of prop.. Unless you want to be "off" and then kill three weeks doing nothing while you are waiting for your androgen levels to fall so that you can begin clomid.

-Here I don't follow you. My cycle look like this:

1-2, prop 100mg EOD
1-6, cyp 300mg twice a week
7, cyp 200mg twice a week
8, prop 100mg EOD
9->,clomid

And yours would look like something like this, if I have understood you right?

1-2, prop 100mg EOD (or frontload)
1-6, cyp 300mg twice a week
7, prop 100mg ED (aprox)
8, prop 100mg EOD (aprox)
9->,clomid

The only differece is that the Cyp will have 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks to leave the body in your suggestion. But what i've learned is that cyp only need 14 days, so it should be enough time in both cycles. Either cycle will give me the same level of test throughout the cycle(well, that's what it looks to me). So why should I buy another bottle of prop for this second week then?=)
That's what I still wonder about.

Maybe you have something else to add, stuff I've might missunderstood etc.

Would have been great if you told me, I just have to know

thx

 

[BIGbouncer]

God I hate to bump my own thread! It was my curiousity that did it

 

[Andy13]

I didn't realize how low your doses were at first.. In that case, you'll be fine with your cycle.. Let us know how it goes.

Andy

 

[BIGbouncer]

Hmm..okay, thanks! I'll let you know how it goes. I broke my arm a while ago, so I just have to regain my mass/strenght before I start to cycle.