Andro sucks...

[Benzi]

Alritht, andro sucks. Norandro sucks. I havn't gained a fuckn pound off either of them. Is there any hope in the sup industry or am i going to havet to go as. I have been dieting, training religously for 3 years and have only gained 10 lbs. I know, genetics suck. I'm ripped as fucked but a lack the mass. I'm 5'5, 145. I'm kinda pissed off, kinda thinking about anavar, someone tell me their is an alternative. Oh yea, and for all those peopl that say time... i've waiting long enought. Does any of that 1AD of 4AD shit work... nevermind that, does any legal sup work.
Please people pull through.
-Ultimte Hard gainnier

-Mike
PS: I'm pissed off

 

[ENDRO]

BEEN WORKING OUT FOR TEN YEARS AND HAVE FOUND NO MIRACLE SUPPLEMENTS YET TRIED ABOUT EVERYTHING.
CREATINE HELPS WITH THE ENDURANCE IF YOU DONT MIND FEELING LIKE A WATER BALLON AND SOME PEOPLE MAKE MUSCLE GAINS.
LOTS OF PROTEIN AND DONT OVER TRAIN AND STAY AWAY FROM CARDIO IF YOU ARE ALREADY LEAN.

 

[MrMemphis]

There is one miracle supplement, boys: food! If you don't eat you will not gain no matter what you use. When I started lifting i was 6'2" 150 lbs. I went to 190 in about a year and a half without juice. I ate like a horse. I'm now about 230lbs @ 9% with a few cycles and the miracle of food.

 

[SoCo4Fun]

Instead of going off like a dipshit why dont you start out by telling us what kind of andro you were taking, how much you were taking, when you were taking it, and for how long. Maybe you just werent doing it right.

 

[Benzi]

SoCo4Fun -- alright
number one, watch your fuckin mouth
number 2, i've gone on the presricbed total norandore cycle be sci fit and the complete nor/andor cycle on muscletech

i know my sups and also now that they havn't dome anythi g for me. Are you telling me that they do something for you.

Once again, watch your fuckin mouth when your talking to me.

 

[javaguru]

It's no wonder you're not gaining if you're ripped. It means that you're not eating enough! Start increasing your calories until you start to gain slowly, about a pound per week. Accept that you will gain fat and muscle but that's why you have dieting phases. Even the pro's don't stay ripped year round, many actually get pretty fat, and they're on a boat load of roids, GH and insulin. Here are my foundation guidelines of bodybuilding:

1. Proper Nutrition: minimum 1g protein per pound of bodyweight and calories appropriate to your goals. Also, get your EFA's. Keep a nutrition log!

2. Proper Rest: 8+ hrs of sleep every night and don't overtrain.

3. Drink Water: This one is so important I listed it seperately. Dehydration will put you into a catabolic state so fast your head will spin. If you're thirsty it's too late. I drink 1-2 gallons per day on top of what's in my shakes and other beverages.

4. Train Properly: Keep a training log and vary your program frequently. Read everything you can and experiment with what works best for you.

Remember, supplements are just that. Protein powder and flax oil are parts of the foundation diet but everything else is extraneous until you have the four principles above addressed. Once you have everything else in line the 4-ad sprays are very effective, a during/post workout drink like Surge will help recovery and creatine works for many. I've heard many good things abouty 1-AD but I haven't tried it myself, stacking 1-AD with a 4-AD may be beneficial.

 

[=w=]

To Benzi:

Hey tough guy actually it seems like you dont know your sups because as Jeremy said all oral prohormones on the market are drastically underdosed as far as the recomended dosage on the labels are concerned. Also, like JavaGuru said if you are not in caloric surplus you are not going to gain anything anyway. Try a transdermal, UP your calories and protein intake by a considerable amount (and dont say you are already eating enough, because if you are staying ripped as fuck and are not gaining weight you are not eating enough).

 

[riskybizz007]

You cannot look for andro/norandro to gain weight for you. You have to up your calories and review your training. Which brings me to question your diet and training, not the prohormones. Like people have said before, there's no silver bullet.
And to me anavar is not a good choice for bulking either.

 

[Benzi]

this is gospel - I have gained 20 lbs in 6 months - drug free - eat a shit load of protein and I take 10 G of creatine - thats it...

Dude, unless your superhuman, or just started working out... I found it hard to beleive that the 20 lbs you gained in the last 6 months is muscel. In fact, i doubt that even 10 lbs are. I'm not calling you bluff but maybe you jsut have insane genetics. I don't know. By the way, for a 145 lb kid, i eat 3,000-3,500 calories a day. A majority form easy digestable proteins. High GI carbs during the day and low GI carbs at night. I take all the sufficient EFA's in the form of flax. I take creaglutamine after a workout with dextrose. I also take anti-oxidants, multi's, and glucosomine chronotine sulfate. My dieting is fine, to take over 3,500 calories for me is damn near rediculous. I also drink about 3/4 gallons of water per day.
Oh yea, and i havve also tried the andro spray by biotest and didn't gain a damn thing.

 

[ENDRO]

YOU HAVE THE CALORIES AND THE PROTEIN SO THE ONLY THING LEFT IS WHAT KIND OF WORK OUT PROGRAM DO YOU HAVE? AND DO YOU DO ANY OUTSIDE SPORTS THAT BURN TONS OF CALORIES?

 

[=w=]

Benzi:

3,500 calories may seem rediculous (even though it really isnt that outrageous at all) but if you arent gaining weight you just have to realise that it isnt sufficient for your metabolism. Up your calories even more.

 

[ENDRO]

I CAN BELIEVE IIRIS PUT ON 20 POUNDS IN SIX MONTHS I CAN PUT ON 12LBS OF WATER WEIGHT EASY WITH CREATINE.
NOW IF HE DID IT WITH OUT WATER WEIGHT HE HAS KILLER GENETICS.

 

[ENDRO]

sorry about misspelling the name! even if 8 or 10 lbs was gained i would feel great about that. i sure would like to know the guy who started this thread routine is and some more info.

 

[riskybizz007]

hold up... i'm still trying to get over the fact that you think 3500 calories is a lot. BRO!!! 3500 CALORIES AINT SHIT!!!! unless you have a really slow metabolism you need to eat much more. When i was bulking i was putting down 5000calories most of the time, sometimes even more when i got carried away. 3000 calories is what i start out cutting with.

I went from 180lbs to 230lbs by simply increasing calories. The faster your metabolism the more you need. But at 3500 calories seems ridiculous to you, i would hate to think how you work out, and what other things go on in your mind.

 

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[DcupSheepNipples]

"There is one miracle supplement, boys: food! If you don't eat you will not gain no matter what you use. When I started lifting i was 6'2" 150 lbs. I went to 190 in about a year and a half without juice. I ate like a horse. I'm now about 230lbs @ 9% with a few cycles and the miracle of food."

Ah, food the holy grail.

 

[javaguru]

Benzi- I'm not ripping on you I just want to reiterate a point others have made. You could take 500 mg of sust a week and wouldn't see results. Then certainly in your mind steroids wouldn't work. There is a guy at my gym with 6% bodyfat year round and weighs around 160 lbs at 5'7". He swears up and down steroids don't work, they didn't work for him because he freaks if his abs become obscured. He simply doesn't eat enough to grow. My point is that drugs won't even help you if you're eating too few calories. You have to decide what is more important to you, being ripped year round or getting bigger.

 

[Musclehead50]

Hey bro, JavaGuru is right. I've seen people eat 4000 - 5000 calories a day on a bulking cycle without steroids, and they don't even bat an eye at it. You want to get big? There has to be some fat with it. You can always cut up afterward bro. The key? Keep raising your caloric intake weekly until you start to see the gains you are looking for. I know a guy who eats 500 grams of protein a day when he is bulking. I know it seems unreal, but he does. I LOVE my protein, and I'll admit, I'd find it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to choke down that much protein, even if I had to. It's just a matter of how badly you want the gains. Andro's work very well. You just have to have the proper food intake with them. Jeremy Carriere is right when he says almost everything in an oral is broken down by the body. Try the topical sollutions. I have a feeling you'll gain some good weight. Also, a 1-AD/alpha-dopa stack packs weight on very well. I've heard using GroTropin in place of the alpha-dopa is even better. Do a little more research bro. You'll see andros can be very good.

 

[Benzi]

I've added another couple calories into my diet
i now eat about 3750 calories a day, about 300 from protein, a lot from flax and natural pb, and the rest form low gi carbs and sugar after my workout. Man, i weight 145. I will be consuming over 2g of protein per lb. I will try this but s the info on the board goes that is unheard of unless your on some huge as cycle. We will see what happens after the next couple of weeks. I don't see any reaosn for me to go above 4000 calories a day so i will stop there.
I don't know how you guys do it. I am full all the time and have little to no motivation to play ball with the guys or have sex with my gf bc i can hardly move. I just but this product called super digestaway so hopefully this will empty my stomach. I heard oral b12 sucks and i'm not about to inject. Well, i'll post my results in about 2 weeks.

 

[riskybizz007]

Try taking some ALA and digestive enzymes. It will help w/ that full feeling. At least w/ me it does.

 

[Musclehead50]

I believe a ginger supplement will also help with food digestion.

 

[SoCo4Fun]

Sorry had to take a leave of absence for a few days.............

Ill admit I came off kinda harsh in my earlier post. I apologize for that. My only point is that I hate how people will post messages on here and say I hate this, or I love that without actually posting some stats. Pure opinion doesnt do the rest of us any good. Give us some solid facts so we can learn from your experiences.





*** I never would have made the mistake of buying muscle tech. I took 1-AD ***