I know this question has probably been asked before, but searching the forums I can't find exactlly what I'm looking for. Here is the deal, have access to both, and wanna do just a light cycle of one or the other, to tighten up for the summer, possibly stacked with clen. I've run much heavier cycles before (test,tren,winny(never on its own) but I'm not looking for the serious gains I had before, just slower gradual gains. Any info that could be given would be great. Also specific question that I have are joint and muscle pains (on past cycles I had so much blood flow that my shins would tighten up when I ran, or lower back when I dead lifted), proper dosages, and effects on libido. Also if neither of these drugs on thier own are very effective, staying clean is still an option. Sorry fo the long post. Thanks for all responses.