Anavar/Winny vs Primo/Winny

[PaulieV]

Ok guys through all the research I have narrowed down my choices for my next cycle between anavar and winstrol or primobolan and winstrol. The winny will be stacked with either var or primo. I look to make moderate gains in lbm and carve up. I would like to know which would be more effective. Please don't waste my time with posts suggesting test, tren, deca, or any steroids of that nature I am steering away from aas with the harsher sides and I don't need monsterous gains. I only seek to gain maybe 10-15 lbs of LBM. I'm not a professional bodybuilder I'm a fitness model/actor looking to stay hard and polished rather than bulky.

Possible cycles:

Anavar: 60mgs/ed for 6 weeks
Winstrol: 30mgs/ed for 6 weeks

or

Primobolan: 400mgs/wk for 10 weeks
Winstrol: 30mgs/ed for 6 weeks (weeks 4-10)

I stand at 5'11" currently weighing in at around 185. Yes I can afford both cycles and no I cannot afford to add anything else besides PCT. Diet and cardio only advocates stay off this thread, my diet and cardio will be on point. Only post if you have something useful to say about either of these cycles, or suggesting a change in the dosage. Thanks, I look forward to the input.

 

[jmat2407]

Ok guys through all the research I have narrowed down my choices for my next cycle between anavar and winstrol or primobolan and winstrol. The winny will be stacked with either var or primo. I look to make moderate gains in lbm and carve up. I would like to know which would be more effective. Please don't waste my time with posts suggesting test, tren, deca, or any steroids of that nature I am steering away from aas with the harsher sides and I don't need monsterous gains. I only seek to gain maybe 10-15 lbs of LBM. I'm not a professional bodybuilder I'm a fitness model/actor looking to stay hard and polished rather than bulky.

You need to do some more research if you think test is harsher on your body than winstrol.......

 

[PaulieV]

I know all about the liver toxicity, lipid wrecking, and joint drying issues of the winny, but I'm willing to risk it for its physique improving abilities (plus I will handle it with cycle supports). I forgot to mention that I value easy maintainable gains. I have had buddys who have used things like sus and shrink back up even after pct. (Maybe they didn't pct correctly but thats not the point).

 

[halfsjj]

You need to do some more research if you think test is harsher on your body than winstrol.......

I agree with Jmat, but it sounds as if you know the issues with Winny and Var. I think most would agree that a low dose of Test 200mg EW should be the foundation of any cycle, but it's your body so do as you please I guess. Additionally, I don't think you can put Test in the same category as Tren or Deca. Test is a naturally occurring in the body vs the other compounds.

 

[zwhit]

Like the other guys said, I'd run at least a maintenance dose of test just to keep everything in working order. You won't bloat on 250 mgs a week.

Test 250 mg week 1-10
Primo 500 mg week 1-10
winstrol 50 mg/day 7-12

Thats how I'd run it

 

[PaulieV]

Ok say I decide to throw in a low dose, which test would u recommend? prop? cyp? enan? Will my gains be easily maintainable after PCT? Will I get sides like acne and a raise in estro levels at a low dosage like 250mg/wk? I can't take the acne lol.

 

[zwhit]

I'd run test enanthate with the primo. Its the same ester so you can inject both in same syringe on the same days. 250mg likely won't bloat you on any ester. The Winny and Primo should take care of the bloat if you did get any.

Keeping your gains depends on how good of a pct you run and your training and diet after the cycle.

 

[stevesmi]

since you want a low side cycle and you want lean muscle gain i would run 500-600mg a week of primo for 12-14 weeks. you won't even notice the sides trust me and recovery will be very smooth. this is the perfect cycle for your modeling career. and you don't have to worry about carbs with primo. the reason i say primo for 12-14 weeks instead of 10 weeks is that it takes a few weeks to build up in the body unlike orals or tren ace/props. you can finish the 2nd half of the cycle with winny.

if you choose the first option i would run var 8 weeks instead of 6 weeks.. this is what i'm doing.. 1 week in i am SLOWLY seeing a slight increase in strength and hardness.. so var isn't like dbol or drol where you see results within days.. it also takes some time to build up.. var sides are also low. with something like dbol or drol you can get away with 4 weeks and see sensational results.. with var 4 weeks in you will start getting into the sweet spot

but primo is the KING of aas. since money isn't an option i would pick primo if i was in your shoes. a lot of guys don't like primo cause the cost and because you won't see results overnight with it or blowup 20 pounds of water. so they think its weak.. really its the best AAS i have ever run, if i had a trust fund thats all i would ever run

 

[TheSVPdeal]

1-14 250mg Test
1-14 600mg Primo
10-14 30mg Winny

I've been on 500mg of test and 600mg of Primo for the last 8 weeks. I have experienced virtually no side effects and have put on 10 solid pounds of pure muscle. I've also been on about 400mg of Mast throughout.

 

[calpoly]

1-14 250mg Test
1-14 600mg Primo
10-14 30mg Winny

I've been on 500mg of test and 600mg of Primo for the last 8 weeks. I have experienced virtually no side effects and have put on 10 solid pounds of pure muscle. I've also been on about 400mg of Mast throughout.

Nice cycle right here. Maybe 800 primo