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drveejay11
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Anavar vs Tren for FATLOSS
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Tren raises pgf levels which burns fat, Fonz has some excellent theories on it, which I agree since I eat like a pig on it and dont put on much fat.
Have you seen this thread?
http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...105661&perpage=20&highlight=fina&pagenumber=1
My theory on why fina burns fat... (post #1)
Huck:
I have not located scientific evidence to support this,but I think that fina(tren)may be a potent mediator of PROSTAGLANDINS,which are the most thermogenic hormones found in the human body.The reason I'm starting to associate the two is there are some similarities between fina and Lutalyse that are quite commonly reported.#1-A great deal of users report a feeling of warmth rush over them for a period of time following a fina injection.#2-Many users have what is referred to as a 'fina-cough' following a fina injection...An influx of prostaglandin molecules(or in this case a greatly hightened activation of them)leads to the lungs having to metabolize and break the substance down.Then of course is the fat burning that accompanies both agents.I believe that based on these striking similarities of the two compounds,that there may be a connection...Now,if we can only get the biologists to run a study for us...
HUCK
.....I think that fina only activates DORMANT prostaglandins that one already has,as opposed to flooding the system with exogenous PG's.But who knows,maybe it helps proliferate new ones?
FONZ
I guess its time to reveal another of Fonz's little secrets....
When injected, trenbolone cause a rise in BOTH PGF2A and
PGE2.
PGF2a is what is called the GOOD prostaglandin.
PGE2 is the BAD prostaglandin.
However, the rise of PGF2A > PGE2 by a small margin.
By taking Enteric-coated aspirin(500mg/day) REDUCES
both PGF2A and PGE2 because they are produced
in a 1:1 ratio.
By decreasing PGE2, you reduce the specific prostaglandin
to BASELINE levels(or less again), while PGF2A remains
elevated ABOVE normal levels.
The whole point of this, is that PGE2 levels can play havoc
on your endocronoligal system even though PGF2A
is still greater than PGE2(BUT, PGE2 is still above baseline
normal levels)
Fonz
HUCK
.....If my theory holds up,then yes,an individuals prostaglandin receptor(PGR) populations/physiological response to the tren molecule would play a large factor in this effect,that is,those with higher populations of PG's will burn more fat on tren than others
{Q? on fina cough vs PGF-2A cough}.....But the one question I will still pose is why are the LUNGS responding to the glue/fillers,if that's what's causing the cough?Normally,foreign substances are shuttled in blood straight to the liver or kidneys for detoxification/metabolization.Could it be this exaggerated effect is from the PG molecule actually carrying some of these impurities along with it to the lungs,and the lungs having to work that much harder to break MULTIPLE substances down,as opposed to one?Hmmm...We need to see if a university will test it for us,haha.
Have you seen this thread?
http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...105661&perpage=20&highlight=fina&pagenumber=1
My theory on why fina burns fat... (post #1)
Huck:
I have not located scientific evidence to support this,but I think that fina(tren)may be a potent mediator of PROSTAGLANDINS,which are the most thermogenic hormones found in the human body.The reason I'm starting to associate the two is there are some similarities between fina and Lutalyse that are quite commonly reported.#1-A great deal of users report a feeling of warmth rush over them for a period of time following a fina injection.#2-Many users have what is referred to as a 'fina-cough' following a fina injection...An influx of prostaglandin molecules(or in this case a greatly hightened activation of them)leads to the lungs having to metabolize and break the substance down.Then of course is the fat burning that accompanies both agents.I believe that based on these striking similarities of the two compounds,that there may be a connection...Now,if we can only get the biologists to run a study for us...
HUCK
.....I think that fina only activates DORMANT prostaglandins that one already has,as opposed to flooding the system with exogenous PG's.But who knows,maybe it helps proliferate new ones?
FONZ
I guess its time to reveal another of Fonz's little secrets....
When injected, trenbolone cause a rise in BOTH PGF2A and
PGE2.
PGF2a is what is called the GOOD prostaglandin.
PGE2 is the BAD prostaglandin.
However, the rise of PGF2A > PGE2 by a small margin.
By taking Enteric-coated aspirin(500mg/day) REDUCES
both PGF2A and PGE2 because they are produced
in a 1:1 ratio.
By decreasing PGE2, you reduce the specific prostaglandin
to BASELINE levels(or less again), while PGF2A remains
elevated ABOVE normal levels.
The whole point of this, is that PGE2 levels can play havoc
on your endocronoligal system even though PGF2A
is still greater than PGE2(BUT, PGE2 is still above baseline
normal levels)
Fonz
HUCK
.....If my theory holds up,then yes,an individuals prostaglandin receptor(PGR) populations/physiological response to the tren molecule would play a large factor in this effect,that is,those with higher populations of PG's will burn more fat on tren than others
{Q? on fina cough vs PGF-2A cough}.....But the one question I will still pose is why are the LUNGS responding to the glue/fillers,if that's what's causing the cough?Normally,foreign substances are shuttled in blood straight to the liver or kidneys for detoxification/metabolization.Could it be this exaggerated effect is from the PG molecule actually carrying some of these impurities along with it to the lungs,and the lungs having to work that much harder to break MULTIPLE substances down,as opposed to one?Hmmm...We need to see if a university will test it for us,haha.
drveejay11
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Thanks JA
chanmanfoo
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40 mg of anavar ed melts the fat off me. fina has a similar effect on me put anavar is better.
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drveejay11
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Huck........where are you bro? This question was MADE for you
Both work well for cutting,but fina seems to impart a slight thermogenic effect(again speculated from a prostaglandin activation standpoint)for many users which var does not.Var being a non-aromatic androgen(which can lead to decreased E levels)seems not to pack quite the whallop of fina,although var still has some interesting lipid disposing characteristics.Other areas which make var effective is glucose disposal/increased HGH secretion from the pituitary.
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
If sides are an issue..its var.
Fina will modulate your lipid and cholesterol levels to the bad side and also suppress your test levels to near zero.
The thing about Fina..is that you can lose BF at a higher caloric intake than any other AAS. Var included.
Fonz
Fonz said:
Didn't notice any increased fat loss even when I had combined fina/var.
How much fat loss are you guys talking about, is it to the point of noticing it or just theoratically?If people take fina alone without test it will give them the impression they are losing fat cause it will kill all estrogen in your body and will give you that hard "armidex/femera" look. I, lately, have been thinking that this is the major reason people say they lost fat on fina. I know I never noticed anything significant unless I lowered my caloric intakes.
One thing for sure though, fina is great at preserving strength at very low calorie diets.
-sk
