anavar question

[twittersucks2011]

Weeks 1-8 350mg test e/wk
Weeks 4-8 40mg var/day

Is this enough var to have the lasting effect that it produces? What is the minimum time frame one should run var?

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Personally I'm all about the conservative doses... so yea.. if your diet is in check, and you train hard/smart... you should be good to go...

 

[twittersucks2011]

Yes, i made sure i've got my diet/training in check for the last month now and planning on running something soon. Have you used var at a similar dose? I'm not big nor am i looking to get big. 6 ft, 190, approx. 12%bf

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I used it @ 25mg... and it was great... I mean was it AMAZING CRAZY STUFF? no... but it did what I wanted... hardened me up some... I used it in a short cycle.. like this...

(This is OLD old school Nelson Montana style... hopefully he doesn't mind me posting this... his views have changed somewhat since then...)

WEEK ONE
DAY ONE sust 250mg, day 3 primo 100mg, day 5 primo 100mg, day 7 primo 100mg. 25 of d-bol in divided doses per day.

WEEK TWO
Test cyp or enanthate 100mg, day 10 primo 100mg and day 12 primo 100mg, day 14 primo 100mg. 25 of winny per day

WEEK THREE
day 16 primo 100, day 18 primo 100, day 20 primo 100 and day 22 primo 100 and also anavar 25 per day

Notice how the cycle uses weaker orals as the weeks go on and the non aromatizable and weker primo . This is to limit inhibition to some degree AND also to limit water gain for good post cycle lean tissue realization

WEEK FOUR ...OPTIONAL
25 of proviron for 5 days and only in the am. This is to help with sex drive, prevent estrogen back lash and act as a mild form of a taper. 25 mg only done in the am is not very inhibitory. I like its ability to ward off estrogen rebound post cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I used it @ 25mg... and it was great... I mean was it AMAZING CRAZY STUFF? no... but it did what I wanted... hardened me up some... I used it in a short cycle.. like this...

(This is OLD old school Nelson Montana style... hopefully he doesn't mind me posting this... his views have changed somewhat since then...)

WEEK ONE
DAY ONE sust 250mg, day 3 primo 100mg, day 5 primo 100mg, day 7 primo 100mg. 25 of d-bol in divided doses per day.

WEEK TWO
Test cyp or enanthate 100mg, day 10 primo 100mg and day 12 primo 100mg, day 14 primo 100mg. 25 of winny per day

WEEK THREE
day 16 primo 100, day 18 primo 100, day 20 primo 100 and day 22 primo 100 and also anavar 25 per day

Notice how the cycle uses weaker orals as the weeks go on and the non aromatizable and weker primo . This is to limit inhibition to some degree AND also to limit water gain for good post cycle lean tissue realization

WEEK FOUR ...OPTIONAL
25 of proviron for 5 days and only in the am. This is to help with sex drive, prevent estrogen back lash and act as a mild form of a taper. 25 mg only done in the am is not very inhibitory. I like its ability to ward off estrogen rebound post cycle.

Nope, no problem being quoted and I appreciate the acknowledgment.

Yes, that's a very detailed cycle designed for those who want to use steroids as an occasional punt to their progress without suppression -- not for guys looking to use them as often as possible.

These days there are guys talking about going on HRT at age 30. That's nuts. But that's where its headed when you do three 16 week heavy cycles a year.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

And just to add to that.. I got ZERO sides doing that up there.. felt AMAZING... NO proviron.. NICE ROUNDED and CUT shoulders... looked like a million bux... as a matter of fact... I think my skin cleared up somewhat... haha! no shit... My trainer buddy says to me... 'I can tell you're on... and I dunno what you're doing... but you're doing it properly.. you look GREAT!' lol

 

[twittersucks2011]

That's interesting. It's good to see a cycle tailored for the person that doesn't want to run an extremely long cycle. This seems to fit my situation and goals more than anything i found so far.

Couple questions... Is it possible to do without the dbol? Would results be change drastically? And with only running a weeks worth of winn and var, is that even enough for those two compounds to have an effect?

Thanks!

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I ran it JUST as stated.. and it worked great... Can it be done with the Dbol? Sure.. of course it can... anything can be run... the only issue is that a box of each tab is a LOT for a 3 week cycle... and Primo is $$$... that said.. it's always nice to come off... (with little to no suppression... and I certainly wasn't shut down) and have some pillz left for another time...

I believe (and Nelson please correct me if I'm wrong...) that the ideal time (after tests etc...) to run a shorty is at LEAST 5 weeks...

The trick is to make SURE you use fast acting compounds that leave the blood quick:

test prop
test suspension
tren ace
npp
masteron
dbol
tbol
var
drol

 

[twittersucks2011]

you say at LEAST 5 weeks? Your's was 3 wk, with an optional 4th week. I'm confused... and you said to use fast acting compounds like prop or susp, but in your run you ran cyp or e... isn't that slower acting compounds? Please correct me if i'm wrong. I've had my nose down buried in the literature for the last 3 hours so i might be getting a little delirious, lol. Thanks again bro!

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Hehehe.. it's all good... if you check it out.. the test was ONLY used twice.. at the beginning of the week...

The first shot was Sustanon.. which lasts 3 weeks.
The second was C or E which lasts 2 weeks.

If you run them like this... they both clear at the same time (3 weeks... or the length of the cycle)

Primo (which is shorter acting) was used after that...

My plan was 3... but further tests, and studies revealed that a short cycle should last at LEAST 5... to be optimal...

Did it work for me? Yes... was it optimal.. probably not.. had I stretched it a bit longer... I likely would have noticed more of an effect...

That's what I was alluding too.. however I'm sure Nelson would gladly chime in here..

 

[Nelson Montana]

The reason for the sus up front is because it contains prop and it becomes effective immediately, so it's like a built in kickstart. The reason for the Primo isn't because it's short acting but because it's milder. It will maintain muscle while you're trying to recover. The orals are short acting and hence the reason for finishing with them.

Today, with all the supps available that cycle is even BETTER suited for those who want to run steroids without suppression.

I think I may have been a bit TOO conservative with the length . A 6 week cycle is fine, though too much time longer than that and suppression and long term recovery gets far more difficult. But people are under the belief that gains don;t come until AFTER the 6th week and that is a complete fallacy. If you don't notice a change after a week on steroids, you are simply not training correctly.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Thank you for clearing that up Nelson...

 

[twittersucks2011]

aaahhh this makes sense now. i think something just clicked on in my head. lol. With something this short the proviron acts as pct or would nolva and clomid still be advisable?

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I think the point is that you don't get shut down... so it isn't really necessary..

 

[Nelson Montana]

aaahhh this makes sense now. i think something just clicked on in my head. lol. With something this short the proviron acts as pct or would nolva and clomid still be advisable?

HCG, UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. No Nolva. No CLomid.

 

[twittersucks2011]

So I've been tinkering with running this for 6 weeks but i'm not what's the best way to run the two different tests so they both clear at the same time, aslo i'm not sure how to put the hcg in there? This is what it looks like so far:

Week 1: Sust 250mg (1st day of week 1)
Primo 100mg eod
Dbol 30mg everyday

Week 2: Test Cyp 100mg (1st day of week 2)
Primo 100mg eod
Dbol 30mg everyday

Week 3: Primo 100mg eod
Win 30mg everyday

Week 4: Sust 250mg (1st day of week)
Primo 100mg eod
Win 30mg everyday

Week 5: Test cyp 100 mg (1st day of week)
Primo 100mg eod
Var 30mg everyday

Week 6: Primo 100mg eod
Var 30mg everyday

Week 7: Proviron 25mg in the am for 10 days
Unleashed and Post Cycle until the bottles finished

Would hcg be ran from week 1-6 @ 800iu a week? I've never ran hcg before so i'm not to familiar with it. And the only reason i'm doing 30mg of dbol, win, var is cause the pills are by the 10mg. Also should the dbol be ran at 20mg or 30mg? I appreciate the help guys!

 

[twittersucks2011]

Ok, after reading Nelson's "very best pct for 2010" post i'm assuming that the 6 step process is for heavy aas users. Cycles of 8-16 wks? I was already planning on running the unleashed, post cycle, and n2guard from ntbm and i was going to have forma on hand just in case. but now that post brings me to wonder if i should follow the cycle with bridge and/or gear from ntbm. also i'm not planning on doing another cycle for at least another 3-5 months after this one, so not sure if i would need the bridge in that case.. since i'm doing a shorty i wasn't thinking i would need hcgenerate cause suppression won't be a big worry, but i guess it couldn't hurt... about the hcg the more i've read about it, my post above seems to be a little TOO much in my case. Thanks again for the replies and feedback!

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

They should clear at the same times the way you have it outlined...

I would personally run it at 30 MAX... 20 might be ok though... and 250iu of HCG 2 x week should be plenty... although HCGenerate would likely suffice...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not a fan of using HCG all the way through a cycle and if it's only 6 weeks you won;t need it. The HCGenerate will help DURING the cycle. Then, one or two shots of HCG is all you need along with the recommended supplements. Using BRIDGE afterward will help maintain and solidify the gains made on cycle.

 

[twittersucks2011]

They should clear at the same times the way you have it outlined...

I would personally run it at 30 MAX... 20 might be ok though... and 250iu of HCG 2 x week should be plenty... although HCGenerate would likely suffice...

I might just run 20mg of the dbol and 30mg of the var and win. When you ran your dbol did you spread out the pills like am, preworkout, and pm before bedtime?

I was thinking Hcgenerate could be work without hcg but wasn't sure... I like nelsons idea of hcg at the end.

 

[twittersucks2011]

I'm not a fan of using HCG all the way through a cycle and if it's only 6 weeks you won;t need it. The HCGenerate will help DURING the cycle. Then, one or two shots of HCG is all you need along with the recommended supplements.

So the couple hcg shots would be best at week 7, the week i start the proviron, when the test has cleared? Or the week after proviron, the week i start unleashe+post cycle?

Using BRIDGE afterward will help maintain and solidify the gains made on cycle.

Technically i could use bridge and gear till my next shorty? Is there a need for a break from bridge and gear?

Thanks again Nelson

 

[Nelson Montana]

Technically i could use bridge and gear till my next shorty? Is there a need for a break from bridge and gear?

Thanks again Nelson

BRIDGE is designed to take in-between cycles. It's non suppressive and will make your next cycle more effective.

GEAR is just high quality aminos -- the best actually. And you need protein, always. Most guys use it every day.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

There ya have it... and when I take Dbol... I like to use 2 doses... one AM and one before training ( I train @ night...) if you train in the morning... then one before training, and one at night... or whatever...

 

[twittersucks2011]

awesome!!!! Thanks again for the help guys

 

[supreme]

O.K seems like a lot of you have the same idea I have, short cycles of Primo & var to harden up, make small lean gains with MINIMAL sides and an easy PCT.

Nelson, since you have a lot of experience in the steroids for "health" area - I sill remember when you 1st wrote that article for T-nation (way back when it was Testosterone...) it changed my view of "gear" entirely!

What would you consider the lowest dose of Primo + var for short cycles just to help harden up and maybe add a few lean pounds (I don't need that much more mass) really thinking about several short cycles leading up to & through summer 2012 - just want some hardness, more definition and the "good feeling" from primo & var.

I would like to run 3 - 4 cycles of 4 -6 weeks of primo + var with minimal sides (especially hairloss - but I have a TON of topical hair saving gear!) If I went low Primo 200 -400mg per week & 40 mg day var could I avoid needing Test on short cycles say if I used things like NTBM Hcgen, Triptorelin (the real stuff from Southern or Chemicalneed), Phytoserm 347 and the NEW NTBM Transaderm (i.e. Nate's new Dermacrine formula)?

In between the cycles I would bridge with SARMS, peptides, NTBM bridge etc. - Just wondering if this is possible or would such low dose Primo & Var be a WASTE of $???

Thanks

S

P.S. Miss seeing your posts at the NTBM forums - always good info!