ANAVAR? PCT or NO PCT?

[MILLENNIUM]

I am going to be doing a cycle of 40mg anavar ed for 10wks with 50mg wks 3 thru 8. I have researched and seen major difference in opinion about pct. Supposedly Anavar has 0 effect on hormone production it works through creatine synthesis. So I would figure no pct needed. Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[gettinripped]

yes, do pct

nolva 40mg ed for week 1
20 mg ed for weeks 2-3

 

[Mr.X]

I am going to be doing a cycle of 40mg anavar ed for 10wks with 50mg wks 3 thru 8. I have researched and seen major difference in opinion about pct. Supposedly Anavar has 0 effect on hormone production it works through creatine synthesis. So I would figure no pct needed. Anyone have any thoughts?

I would still run a PCT. Use gettinripped's formula just add an extra week, 4 weeks total.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

I would still run a PCT. Use gettinripped's formula just add an extra week, 4 weeks total.

So 1 week 40mg ed then 3wks 20mg ed.

How long should I wait to start? 1 week? 2 weeks?

 

[Mr.X]

So 1 week 40mg ed then 3wks 20mg ed.

How long should I wait to start? 1 week? 2 weeks?

wait, I just read your post again
"GOING TO BE DOING"

no no, that's a VERY bad idea for a cycle, anavar only - don't waste your time or money.

what are your stats? # of cycles done? years training?

 

[i am what i am]

anavar only cycle is a no-no. I hate to say this, but throw in some test.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

wait, I just read your post again
"GOING TO BE DOING"

no no, that's a VERY bad idea for a cycle, anavar only - don't waste your time or money.

what are your stats? # of cycles done? years training?

Sorry. X-You know my story. But I understand you are such a busy man helping everyone out. Thanks for your advice by the way.

I am planning a Var only cycle for 2 reasons. One I did a var winny cycle before and it worked pretty well for what I want. Two my doctor is prescribing the var for me so cycle = almost free because of insurance. I have 8 sus 250readyjects and 200winstrol tabs also, and a buttload of androgel. You asked before what is buttload. 10g/day x 180day supply and 3 refills of the same. I am 31yrs 237lb about 20% bodyfat and do not want to put on weight. I don't normally use gear and never had until the last var/winny cycle I took. The reason I am now is cause I broke my back and lost 60% strength in my calves. I am looking for safest way to get a strength gain without adding alot of bulk. After I do the var only I think I will do an 8wk with the sus250 e/w and 20mg anavar ed stacked and see how that goes. What do you think?

 

[Mr.X]

Sorry. X-You know my story. But I understand you are such a busy man helping everyone out. Thanks for your advice by the way.

I am planning a Var only cycle for 2 reasons. One I did a var winny cycle before and it worked pretty well for what I want. Two my doctor is prescribing the var for me so cycle = almost free because of insurance. I have 8 sus 250readyjects and 200winstrol tabs also, and a buttload of androgel. You asked before what is buttload. 10g/day x 180day supply and 3 refills of the same. I am 31yrs 237lb about 20% bodyfat and do not want to put on weight. I don't normally use gear and never had until the last var/winny cycle I took. The reason I am now is cause I broke my back and lost 60% strength in my calves. I am looking for safest way to get a strength gain without adding alot of bulk. After I do the var only I think I will do an 8wk with the sus250 e/w and 20mg anavar ed stacked and see how that goes. What do you think?

yeah I really don't remember. I like the sust and anavar idea a lot more, but I would bump the anavar to at least 30mgs ED.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

why not anavar only I read an awesome article when doing research fron Georges book. Just curious......

 

[Stacemranger]

They say that because most oral only stacks produce losable gains, meaning you will most likely lose all you gain very shortly after.

 

[theslime]

no pct necessary IMO.

 

[Mr.X]

They say that because most oral only stacks produce losable gains, meaning you will most likely lose all you gain very shortly after.

Well, actually it's hard on the liver and not cost effective. Results are limited at best.

 

[Slyder190]

PCT no matter what the cycle IMO.

 

[50cent]

why not anavar only I read an awesome article when doing research fron Georges book. Just curious......

could you give a site for that book or reproduce the Var only article/ Thank you

 

[mikevegas]

I personally use Anavar alone with great results. I, unlike apparently everyone else in here, don't need to gain 30lbs on every cycle. 30lbs of which half is water anyway, but apparently who's counting. Anavar = solid muscle & strength gains. I have size, don't need anymore. I'll take my nice solid gains, with a side of cuts and hardness thank you, you can keep you test and bloating.

Anavar is 100% anabolic, 0% androgenic. No hormone disturbance, no coversion into estrogen, no nothing. So then, somebody explain to me how you come up with the need to add PCT?

Mr. X is totally right about this drug being 17-AA, and toxic to the liver, so don't stay on year round. If you think this is bad, what about the guys taking 1g of injectables each week? Seems to be a dime a dozen around here. Compared to that, I'll take my Anavar with a smile thank you.

 

[mikevegas]

They say that because most oral only stacks produce losable gains, meaning you will most likely lose all you gain very shortly after.

SOOOOOOO not true. Would you guys PLEASE quit following the herd in here and do some research ?!? There are NUMEROUS good books out there on AAS, written and backed up with endless testing and research on each drug, and the results are usually quite the opposite of what you read in here. You guys are spending the $$$ on the drugs, subjecting your own body to the effects & side effects, go spend $30.00 on a good book that will show you what you are doing.

 

[7thphoenix]

I'm new to AAS, but I've read a few good books by Nelson Montana and Mick Hart, both have differing viewpoints as to dosages and length of cycles however both state that orals give good lasting results, mainly to Beginners/Intermediate users.

Thats what I will use first, still waiting on info about the legal staus of importing AAS to Japan for personal usage, before I give em a go.

I just turned 37 (hooray!) not 40 yet! no grey hairs , 185lbs at 14% bodyfat 5' 10"
been training naturally and also heavily involved woith Martial Arts for over 20 years.
I feel its time to give my body a boost and regain the Edge I had in my mid to late twenties.
My aim is to add as much muscle (lasting) as possible over the course of a year.
I was thinking of using anavar and perhaps d-bol with it on a stack.

But will study more before finalizing .

 

[Mr.X]

I'm new to AAS, but I've read a few good books by Nelson Montana and Mick Hart, both have differing viewpoints as to dosages and length of cycles however both state that orals give good lasting results, mainly to Beginners/Intermediate users.

Thats what I will use first, still waiting on info about the legal staus of importing AAS to Japan for personal usage, before I give em a go.

I just turned 37 (hooray!) not 40 yet! no grey hairs , 185lbs at 14% bodyfat 5' 10"
been training naturally and also heavily involved woith Martial Arts for over 20 years.
I feel its time to give my body a boost and regain the Edge I had in my mid to late twenties.
My aim is to add as much muscle (lasting) as possible over the course of a year.
I was thinking of using anavar and perhaps d-bol with it on a stack.

But will study more before finalizing .

At your age, you should seriously consider HRT/TRT. A straight test run (low dose) year round might be the way to go. Consult a medical professional before making the final call on this; get a blood work done etc...

 

[jp000]

Anavar is 100% anabolic, 0% androgenic. No hormone disturbance, no coversion into estrogen, no nothing. So then, somebody explain to me how you come up with the need to add PCT?

I'd like to hear some arguments either FOR, or AGAINST that statement if anybody has them.

 

[d_o_c_]

anavar only cycle is a no-no. I hate to say this, but throw in some test.

Why is it a no no? Also, why would someone do pct exactly when going on a var only cycle?

It does not suppress natural test levels.

The only thing var hurts is the liver so PCT seems like a waist. Unless there is something I am missing.

 

[steelmass]

Why is it a no no? Also, why would someone do pct exactly when going on a var only cycle?

It does not suppress natural test levels.

The only thing var hurts is the liver so PCT seems like a waist. Unless there is something I am missing.

Var disrupts the HPTA like any other AAS. Common misconception. You should most certainly do PCT.

 

[mikevegas]

I'd like to hear some arguments either FOR, or AGAINST that statement if anybody has them.

One piece of research that I have found on Anavar:

"Anavar is not used for mass. It used for strength gains and muscle hardness. It is low in androgens and doesn`t produce water retention.This drug considered to be very safe. Anavar is widely used by powerlifters, and many women like to use it because of its chemical structure, Anavar wont aromatize. Oxandrolone is generally regarded as the safest by both the medical community and the athletes. Anavar`s prominent affect is that of strength increases. It is very popular among women athletes because it is very low in androgens, and does not elect the degree of virilization that most others do. Even though the steroid is a 17-alpha alkylated the drug is extremely safe. It does not convert to Estrogen. Dosages 80 mg. daily for 30 days, followed by 40 mg for 60 days. The drug is actually shown to improve liver function in test groups. This drug is higly recomended for people with impared immune systems. Usually it is used as pre contest drug in combination with primobolan-depot, winstrol and deca-durabolin."

The information is out there, you guys just need to take the time and do your homework.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

Why is it a no no? Also, why would someone do pct exactly when going on a var only cycle?

It does not suppress natural test levels.

The only thing var hurts is the liver so PCT seems like a waist. Unless there is something I am missing.

I agree. I have been researching Anavar Hardcore. I am new to AAS and only taking them to regain strength I lost from an accident. Anavar by far from my research is the safest, won't convert to estrogen at any dosage. It's the least damaging to the liver out of any oral. Non androgenic so least side effects. But Powerlifters seem to swear by it for strength building, or anyone in a sport where a certain weight has to be maintained. All research also says that ANAVAR is #1 for keeping your gains post cycle. The only downside seems to be that everyone says it's awesome but REAL expensive. In my case I have a prescription so a cycle costs me about $40. I don't think you can beat that anywhere. Even so I got a cycle of 30 mg e/d for 10 wks from QV in MX for $180. That doesn't seem too expensive to me. I took it with whinny and got a great result with little to no side effects, and have been able to keep 85%-90% of my gains and its been 5 months. mikevegas is one of the few that seems to know his shit aside from Mr. X who's opinion is that it should be ran with test for optimum results, which I agree running with Test will get faster and bigger gains, but also of course more side effects. I have also read that some BB run var with test and var only just after for 2-3wks instead of PCT to keep gains.

 

[7thphoenix]

At your age, you should seriously consider HRT/TRT. A straight test run (low dose) year round might be the way to go. Consult a medical professional before making the final call on this; get a blood work done etc...

Yeah...been wanting to, so far haven't found a clinic here that does that, been asking a few GPs here and they said they don't offer that sort of service unless its done via a Company health check request.

I'll keep looking though...I think my natural test levels are still high as my Libido hasn't diminished at all (not drastically, although it was always on hyperdrive during my early to late twenties)nor has my ability to sprout wood at any hour of the day...However I see the sense in doing blood work first.

Have organised a place that may do it ...next week.

Thanx! ( they don't like doin bloodwork on gaijin or aliens as we are termed over here )