Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Would a cycle of Anavar at 40mg/day for say 8 weeks with plenty of Creatine and a proper diet yield some decent gains (hopefully 15lbs+?) with minimal side effects? I know this would be very costly but my concern is safety over cost. Also is 8 weeks long enough or should I run it for a shorter/longer period of time? Thanks.
Anavar only for a first cycle?
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WARBIRDWS6
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chemist said:
I don't see 15 lbs. but who knows. it is your first. i think it would be a great way to break yourself into the whole scene. it would cost a lot (but you don't care), and wouldn't have any sides really....plus you'd get strength and muscle gain's. i'd say go for it. 8 weeks at 50mg is what i am doing myself starting today.
Would it be wise then to stack another steroid with the var? or could I expect to yield keeping 10lbs with minimal fat gain and some decent strength gains? If I were to stack another steroid with it, what would you recommend? Would there be any merit in running Dbol at 35mg/day for the first four weeks with the var? Thanks.
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WARBIRDWS6
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chemist said:
I personally think dbol first month with var is an awesome idea. i was going to run anadrol with mine for the first month, but i wanted to see how this anavar works alone. so i ditched that idea last minute. but next time around, i will for sure do like 40-50 mg dbol a day for first month and like 40-50mg anavar for two months. I'd say go for it and make sure you use liver protectors like ALA and don't drink.
BUT i think if you do everything right you can gain 10lbs w/o fat gain with anavar alone, and keep it with proper post cycle planning. just make sure you take in adequate protein and calories to make those gains.
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WARBIRDWS6
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BTW: dbol is not "safe"! forgot to mention that since it was a concern of yours. At least it is not safe like anavar would be by itself. so take that into consideration. you will get sides from Dbol most likely.
You can never say how much weight U R gonna gain off a given cycle before you see ow your body responds to AS. That said, I LOVE Anavar! You definitely don't blow up like test or D-bol, but the feeling of going into the gym and raping all of your previous best lifts is simply amazing. Plus, even though the weight gain wasn't excessive, I looked the best I have ever looked after a 10 week Anavar cycle at 50mg/day (although my diet was really tight, too).
WannaImpress
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loomisH said:
Damn loomis.....50mgs ed for 10 weeks! What brand where you using and what where your starting/final stats?
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WARBIRDWS6
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WannaImpress said:
what is so amazing about 50mg's for 10 weeks. lol.
WannaImpress
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WARBIRDWS6 said:
what is so amazing about 50mg's for 10 weeks. lol.
I take it you have done 50mgs ed? I was curious about the brand mainly.....I'm pretty sure only a few have actually done 50mgs of the good stuff..(BTG,SPA)
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WARBIRDWS6
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WannaImpress said:
oh IC.......you mean if it were the good stuff. i got chinese generic. lol. next time be more specific, you confused me.
Actually, I did PaperVar 30mg/ED mixed with a generic from an underground lab (don't ask me which one, cuz I'm not tellin!) at 20 mg/ED. I DID use creatine throughout and my diet was basically very high protein, moderate fat (mostly flax and fats from red meat) and low carbs. One cheat day per week. All lifts went way up -- my deadlifts just kept going up and up, as well as DB bench. I put on about 12 lbs. at my peak (although my weight does fluctuate daily) and lost alot of BF. Kept most of the strenght but I've lost some cuts cuz this summer I've been slacking on my diet. I looked great, though...highly recommend the cycle.
Diesel3d
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i recommend var for a first cycle.
My first cycle was ttokyo var 40mg ed for 8 weeks. Gained 13 pounds of lean mass.
Gains stoped after week 6. I did not use creatien. Had no idead how to diet correctly, and did not even use clomid at the end. Kept all my gains.
I think for a first cycle if you are bulking or clean bulking, have your diet down, use the creatine(25mg/day) you could gain over well over 10 pounds of mass.
My first cycle was ttokyo var 40mg ed for 8 weeks. Gained 13 pounds of lean mass.
Gains stoped after week 6. I did not use creatien. Had no idead how to diet correctly, and did not even use clomid at the end. Kept all my gains.
I think for a first cycle if you are bulking or clean bulking, have your diet down, use the creatine(25mg/day) you could gain over well over 10 pounds of mass.
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WARBIRDWS6
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Diesel3d said:
yeah, i just gained 23 lbs off of lousy ass dbol at 30mgs a day for 5 weeks, and then crappy ass IP winstrol at 2 a day for the last 4 weeks. and i upped my cals a few weeks too late to compensate for the weight gain or i'd have gotten 30 out of it. just goes to show you if your training and diet is down pat and you have no life outside of bodybuilding....you can do a lot with a little bit of gear.
i am cutting with the anavar though. but i hope to maintain my weight and take off the fat. we shall see. i picked up some TRAC at work, they suggest 5 grams a day....but i think i should double that to 10 grams. shit is expensive though.Is there a need to run Clomid at the end of the Anavar cycle since it is very mild on the HPTA I am told? Also, if I were to stack the var with another drug what would you suggest (something that would keep the sides low but possibly add a few more pounds to the overall gains), also would I be better off using PaperVar or the powder? Thanks.
Chemist-Anything beyond the 15mg/day mark will likely warrant post-cycle clomid therapy.Eq would be a great,side effect-free stacker with anavar.
Puckit-10 hour TOTAL activity life,so yes,split them up evenly into 5-6 hour intervals.I would advise taking them with food,as they can cause stomach discomfort if taken on an empty stomach.
Puckit-10 hour TOTAL activity life,so yes,split them up evenly into 5-6 hour intervals.I would advise taking them with food,as they can cause stomach discomfort if taken on an empty stomach.
PuckIt said:
If it doesn't irritate your stomach then go for it.Yes,split it up so you're not going for 2/3's of the day with no active substance in your system.
First cycle?3-400mgs/week of eq
Peter Gunz
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what about primo with the var at 30 or 40mgs, a day for first cycle., would that be better than EQ??., ideas on that., huck., anyone?., if so doses., opinions., views., p.e.a.c.e gunz
Peter Gunz said:
No,IMO eq would give better results.Primo is VERY weak,unless you run it in high amounts,and it is just not cost-effective IMO.
liquidanny
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HPTA
Weird....I recall reading a article that said as much as 20-25 mg/ed had NO effect on HPTA....of course honestly....I run into VERY FEW people that have done anavar only. So the suppression is likely due to the EQ or others...
Weird....I recall reading a article that said as much as 20-25 mg/ed had NO effect on HPTA....of course honestly....I run into VERY FEW people that have done anavar only. So the suppression is likely due to the EQ or others...
SOLID
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Var would be an excellent first cycle. I loved the results I was getting with Var only. Var and EQ would make a great stack, I would go for that. Depending on which brand of Var used I would run anywhere from 40-80mg (if you can afford it).
Var @40mg ED.
EQ @400mg Wk.
Run for at least 8 wks.
I wish I could start my Var cycle all over- I would have ran that same cycle, but Var at 80mg generic.
Var @40mg ED.
EQ @400mg Wk.
Run for at least 8 wks.
I wish I could start my Var cycle all over- I would have ran that same cycle, but Var at 80mg generic.
My first, and only cycle was Var only. 90 mg /day of Papervar for around 2 months. Lots of protein with 40 g of creatine and glutamine /day. Gained almost 20 lbs, but bf% came down some too, so actually a little more. It has been 2 months now and I've kept 18 lbs, and my lifts have never gone back down. Do it! 
I split up doses 30 mg every 7 hours. And I ran Clomid for 10 days afterwards, it did kind of kill my sex drive for a few weeks afterwards.
I split up doses 30 mg every 7 hours. And I ran Clomid for 10 days afterwards, it did kind of kill my sex drive for a few weeks afterwards.
SOLID
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I would love to try some Paper Var - that will probably be my next choice. I am not sure about Frontloading - I have never done it myself and don't know if it really works without possibly risking sides. I would just hit the Var let it do it's thing and you will be able to see how it works on you...then once the EQ kicks you- you will see the synergistic effects of them stacked together. The EQ will probably take around 4 weeks to kick in. So that is why I suggest you run the cycle for at least 8 I would go 10 myself. I would be on Var all the time if I could afford it, I love the stuff. I'm hating test right now.
What do you think Huck/Everyone???
Here's my proposed VAR/EQ cycle:
week 1 EQ-800mg Frontloaded
weeks 2-10 EQ-400mg
weeks 4-12 PaperVAR 40mg/ed
Tyler's liver detox during PaperVAR
r-ALA thoughout 600mg-1000mg/day
Creatine throughout as much as my bowels handle.
Clomid starting 3 weeks after last EQ shot
Femara on hand to keep it everything NICE AND TIGHT!
What do you think?? No test for me...follically challenged.
Would VAR/Creatine/and SLIN be a wicked combo????
Here's my proposed VAR/EQ cycle:
week 1 EQ-800mg Frontloaded
weeks 2-10 EQ-400mg
weeks 4-12 PaperVAR 40mg/ed
Tyler's liver detox during PaperVAR
r-ALA thoughout 600mg-1000mg/day
Creatine throughout as much as my bowels handle.
Clomid starting 3 weeks after last EQ shot
Femara on hand to keep it everything NICE AND TIGHT!
What do you think?? No test for me...follically challenged.
Would VAR/Creatine/and SLIN be a wicked combo????
also, if you are doing an only oxandrolone cycle, i don't know why you would need a clomid treatment
i got this from anabolic review
The third reason which speaks well for an intake of Oxandrolone is that even in a very high dosage this compound does not influ-ence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone pro-duction.
i could be totally wrong, but i thought clomid was to get the body's natural test. level back as quick as possible?
i got this from anabolic review
The third reason which speaks well for an intake of Oxandrolone is that even in a very high dosage this compound does not influ-ence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone pro-duction.
i could be totally wrong, but i thought clomid was to get the body's natural test. level back as quick as possible?
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WARBIRDWS6
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Mischief said:My first, and only cycle was Var only. 90 mg /day of Papervar for around 2 months. Lots of protein with 40 g of creatine and glutamine /day. Gained almost 20 lbs, but bf% came down some too, so actually a little more. It has been 2 months now and I've kept 18 lbs, and my lifts have never gone back down. Do it!
I split up doses 30 mg every 7 hours. And I ran Clomid for 10 days afterwards, it did kind of kill my sex drive for a few weeks afterwards.
damn dude, that is some awesome gains. i want to gain muscle and bring down the BF% myself. could you outline your diet while on this cycle (calories/nutrient breakdown)? i dropped to 12 X my bodyweight plus another meal since i am using T3 and R-ALA. i figure i can work more food in there. but i am more interested in burning fat and building muscle, which you seem to have done.
WARBIRDWS6 said:
The dropping bf thing just kind of happened, it really wasn't a goal I had set out to do. I did keep carbs pretty low, I had most of them a few hours before workouts and right after. Protein intake was high, for me at least. Between 300-400 g per day consistently (I weighed 185-190). Since I wasn't trying to diet I didn't count calories, but I'd guess 3000k or so, maybe less. I ate very clean for the most part. I also did cardio for 30 minutes 5 days a week, but at least 12 hours from my workouts. Usually early am cardio, and workouts around 6pm.
With that amount of Var, strength shot through the roof on the 3rd day or so and never stopped. I got very vascular too, for the first time I had veins shoting out of my hamstrings, looked good. Expensive cycle, but seeing as how I've kept nearly all of it, and I'm just building on from here, it was worth it in my opinion.
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Mischief said:
yeah, i'm 180 right now. i am going with between 2500-3K cals a day. and about 300 grams of protein. Like you said, mainly fats and protein.......but when i do over 30 carbs i take a shitload of R-ALA. i keep my carbs to post w/o and one meal later in the day. i think i'll stay with what i am doing, since it seems similar to what you did. i pretty much eat clean since 75% of my cals come from whey or metrx. i am on the go a lot.
i got the generic chinese coming....i am not sure if i should go with the 50mg ED i intended, or bump it to 75mg ED??? that would get pretty expensive at $6.50 a 50mg tab. but worth it for the gains if more=better.Similar threads
