Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

Anavar gyno- Huck

Golfer18

New member
Week 4 of 9 on DK Var at 40mgED and BDL Tren 100mgED. I am 14-16 pounds up holding little water if any. Its not full blown gyno but my nips are getting sore. I am treating it with everything, but mostly nolva, andractim, and bromo. From the gains I have seen I think the gyno is coming from highly elevated IGF-1.............

I am not prone to gyno. I have dropped 750mg Test/Dbol/EQ/Tren before with no problems. Its when I combine fina/var. To much synergy maybe?
 
or maybe fake Var ? What if your var was something else ? It's a possibility and should be considered as any other.
 
manny78 said:
or maybe fake Var ? What if your var was something else ? It's a possibility and should be considered as any other.

The var is var. If it wasn't var and was Dbol I wouldn't have any problems. The ONLY time this happens is with var /fina. DK tested out legit.
 
Golfer18 said:


The var is var. If it wasn't var and was Dbol I wouldn't have any problems. The ONLY time this happens is with var /fina. DK tested out legit.

Could be methyltest too. Could be your fina. While 40mg may seem a lot for some I highly doubt it is responsible for your gyno or even such elevated IGF-1 levels.

You may add Flax seed oil (omega 3) too. May stop the growth.
 
Is it possible that this var is a different batch than the ones that were tested?Var can concievably raise IGF-I and GH(which in turn can accelerate prolactin secretion),but it is rare for it to do so enough to cross interact with E/R's into activation.You are covering the bases with ancillaries,so you might try backing off the var dose and see what happens.If it doesn't do the trick,try backing down the fina.You may be churning out a ton of prolactin,more so than is being overridden by the bromocryptine.
 
DJ- 5mgED



Huck and Manny...........what I am saying is I know the first time I used var it was var and I had this same problem. I only have this problem with fina/var. So why would this only happen with var? 14 pounds in 4 weeks on fina/var is pretty serious weight on a clean diet. That is why I beleive my igf-1 must be exreme.
 
from Nandi:

In truth, the etiology of gynecomastia is unknown and a number of agents including estrogens, progestins, GH, IGF-1, and prolactin may be involved. However, most authorities believe that a decreased (T+DHT)/E ratio is central to the development of gyno, and that blocking the effects of estrogen, or increasing T + DHT levels, is central to ameliorating the problem.

Regarding prolactin, androgens decrease prolactin levels whereas estrogens increase prolactin. Non-aromatizing androgens have never been shown to elevate prolactin levels in humans, but testosterone has, due to its aromatization to estradiol (19). Prolactin secreting tumors, or prolactinomas, are often associated with gyno. But in these cases the prolactin is believed to induce gyno by suppressing testosterone production: “Prolactinomas that are sufficiently large to cause gynecomastia do so as a result of impairment of gonadotropin secretion and secondary hypogonadism”. (20). However, this is a moot issue in AAS users whose gonadotropin secretion is already blunted.

According to research cited in (20), prolactin may have a direct stimulatory effect on mammary tissue development, but only in the presence of high estrogen levels:


The presence of mild hyperprolactinaemia is therefore not uncommon in patients with estrogen excess. Significant primary hyperprolactinaemia, on the other hand, may directly stimulate epithelial cell proliferation in an estrogen-primed breast, causing epithelial cell proliferation and gynaecomastia.

So rather than focusing solely on lowering prolactin levels which may be elevated in users of aromatizing androgens, attacking estrogen should be the first line of action.

GH and IGF-1 are considered critical to the proliferation of mammary tissue. An excellent review of the role played by these hormones, as well as a general overview of gynecomastia can be found here:




Since elevated GH and IGF-1 are considered important to the anabolic effect of AAS, it would be impractical and counterproductive to attempt to prevent gynecomastia by blocking GH/IGF.

Progesterone acts in concert with estrogen to promote breast development, and at least part of any role played by synthetic progestins may be to stimulate IGF-1 production in the breast. But again, blocking the action of progesterone or synthetic progestins is not practical. Specific progesterone receptor antagonists like RU-486 block not only the progesterone receptor, but the androgen receptor as well, and have actually been associated with the development of gynecomastia (21). In any case, progesterone is thought to act on the breast to enhance the effects of estrogen (22) so once again, attacking estrogen is the easiest and most logical approach.

DHT gel (Andractim) or a generic knockoff might help as well. DHT is thought to act as an aromatase inhibitor (23) and perhaps compete directly with estrogen for binding at the estrogen receptor (24). DHT has been used in several case reports and controlled trials to successfully treat gynecomastia. So perhaps a viable strategy would be to combine DHT gel with tamoxifen. I would recommend tamoxifen rather than an aromatase inhibitor due to the simple fact that tamoxifen has been widely used in numerous controlled studies to succesfully treat gynecomastia, whereas the evidence to support the efficacy of aromatase inhibitors is scanty at best.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Follow my above advice.Back off on the var for a little while and see what happens.Try cutting your dose 40% or so for a few days.

I agree Golf.....if you've run THAT much Fina before with NO prob's......it's gotta be the VAR or the it's the var when run with Fina.....so decrease the VAR bro!!!! (Or hell.......cut the Var out completely and increase the Fina!??!?!?!)

Esp since you've tried HIGH doses of Nolva and 5mg Bromo ED!!!!!!!!
 
drveejay11 said:


I agree Golf.....if you've run THAT much Fina before with NO prob's......it's gotta be the VAR or the it's the var when run with Fina.....so decrease the VAR bro!!!! (Or hell.......cut the Var out completely and increase the Fina!??!?!?!)

Esp since you've tried HIGH doses of Nolva and 5mg Bromo ED!!!!!!!!

I would rather pay for gyno surgery than quit this cycle. Its fucking sick!:)



I will back off the var bro........damnit!
 
Top Bottom