ANAVAR compared to a Supp like HAVOC or EPISTANE

[vipergq]

I have read alot about the "prohormone" HAVOC or EPISTANE and would like to get peoples comparisons on it and anavar, and can they be stacked (probably not)

I know they are both Hepatoxic, but which one is worse.

How do strength gains compare between the 2?

Var is alot more expensive, but if strength is better and the sides and toxicity are less, I would rather have the VAR.

Please help...

 

[jjmac]

Take Var only, don't waist your money on shit sups.

 

[oddball35g]

Anavar is the shit prohormones suck

 

[advanced-stealth]

Anavar

 

[holy ghost]

Anavar

 

[vipergq]

seems unanimous. People are getting some pretty big gains on the Havoc and epistane though. Would it not be a good Idea to stack these?

And has any of you tried those PH's before?

 

[NYBodyguard]

seems unanimous. People are getting some pretty big gains on the Havoc and epistane though. Would it not be a good Idea to stack these?

And has any of you tried those PH's before?

stop hanging out with poor people

 

[Papa Lion]

stop hanging out with poor people

 

[Anthony Roberts]

seems unanimous. People are getting some pretty big gains on the Havoc and epistane though. Would it not be a good Idea to stack these?

And has any of you tried those PH's before?

You know that Epi was lab tested and found to not contain what it was supposed to, right? Pat Arnold tested it, and asked for his money back when he got the results...then Mike McCandless sent it off to be tested and found that it contained 3.8mgs of something...that wasn't actually Epi? The results were posted on BB.com...

 

[Nelson Montana]

ANABOLIC ALERT!!!

If you plan on being a bodybuilder you have three choices.

Use gear.

Use natural supps to get "gear-like" effects.

Use both.

After all the years of crap hormones and all the so called improvements just to create more crap prohormones and then the new prohormones which sucked worse than the old prohormones....LET IT GO.

And the biggest joke of all is that they are NOT safer than real gear. If you want to use chemicals (and that's what they are) use REAL ones.

Now, if you want to boost testosterone naturally, that's great. Use a good natty supp -- the best being UNLEASHED. There are others that also increase LH (MyogenX) and lower estrogen (POST-CYCLE, Dermancrine, CytogenX). They can used alone or with real gear. But DO NOT waste money on that crap concocted by pretend chemists.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I'm kind of interested in the stuff that (EliteFitness author) A.L. Rea is putting out right now...mainly because I used one of his products (Venom 3.0) and it was really a good product. I know steroid authors are bound by local union codes to badmouth each other, but honestly, he makes some good stuff.

 

[vipergq]

stop hanging out with poor people

Sounds fair enough.

Money is hardly an issue for me, but I was actually concerned with the effectiveness and side effects.

I'm pretty much a natural, but the idea of anavar seems too good to pass up. Massive strength increase without the bulk.

OK, I'm in. Thanks guys

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Here's a lab test on Epistane, done by an independant third party. Shocking. It was less than 40% of label claims.

http://www.forums.isteroids.com/att...ut-only-40-label-claims-ibe.jpg?d=1176309900&

 

[funkyfresh]

I would definately go with the Var.

Stack this with a couple of good testosterone boosters such as Unleashed and MyoGenX and a decent creatine supplement (this is exactly what I'm intending to do myself as my first cycle) and you should hopefully see some nice strength gains.

 

[lanky]

i tried an epistane analog and it did nothing..made my skin a little itchy when i would first start to sweat during a workout...