Anavar and Gains.

[liquidanny]

Does you HPTA suffer after Anavar?
Do you really keep 100% gains...and what are recommended dosages. I am looking at 40mg ed for 10 weeks. Is that acceptable?!?! Will stack it with 5iu growth a day 5 on 2 off.

 

[liquidanny]

bump

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Does you HPTA suffer after Anavar?
Do you really keep 100% gains...and what are recommended dosages. I am looking at 40mg ed for 10 weeks. Is that acceptable?!?! Will stack it with 5iu growth a day 5 on 2 off.

Yes 40mg/Day will have an effect on your HPTA so I suggest using Clomid post cycle. 40mg/Day for 10 weeks is a very good dose and with a good diet I can see you making some good gains from it. I would how ever add some Test in there to go with the navar and HGH. Keep us posted on your results

M18

 

[MadCow1]

If you don't know the answers to these quesitons why are you considering growth hormone in addition to anabolics? Are you on anti-aging medication or something?

 

[liquidanny]

I have the money to do growth....

I want to get gains that last 10 lbs and better joints. I am also using it for my knee I was told it may help heal the cartilage. I am 23..so no antiaging.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

IMO 23 is to young to be using HGH

M18

 

[CTR]

If you want your joints to heal, try a stack of glucosamine sulfate, chrondriotin and MSM. I've been on it for 2 weeks and the pain in my elbow is almost gone.

I'm also doing 40mg ED for 8 weeks. Does anyone know how much clomid to take and for how long post cycle?

Thx

CTR

 

[str8cubano]

i guess i would suggest the same as after any oral 17AA cycle. 300mgs first day
100mgs days 2-13
50mgs days 14-21

 

[Rickson]

Don't waste HGH at 23. Wait a minimum of five more years unless you want to be a competitive BB. If you are set on doing HGH then buy a lot more AAS or you will not get the full benefit from it. Also get the insulin and T3 out.

 

[flickenu]

if you want 10 pounds of keepable gains out of a cycle gh isn't the way to go. 10 pounds can be achieved with even the mildest of steroids. here's a couple of cycle that will yield at least 10 lbs for you without the risk of gh-

test 500 mg 1-10 weeks
deca 800 mg weeks 1 and 2
deca 400 mg weeks 3-10
winny 50 mg ed weeks 6-10

test 500 mg weeks 1-10
eq 800 mg weeks 1 and 2
eq 400 mg weeks 3-10

both of those cycles will give you at least 10 if not 20 lbs of keepable mass. if you want better joints go with the test/deca/winny stack because deca is proven to help with joint/tendons/etc.

 

[MadCow1]

Growth was frequently used by Russian and Eastern Block lifters to help repair their joints. I'm unsure of their regimen so that's about all I can say on it. But a lot of what I've heard was promising.

If this is your reason for HGH so be it, but email me and let me know how it comes out as one of my knees is pretty bad and although I can now train, I have much cartlidge loss in the left knee. Deca helps a lot with joints and healing (my shoulder mended unbelievably well from dislocation) but it does not restore cartlidge.

As far as the anavar - it interferes less with HPTA than any other steroid. Amounts in the range of 20-30mg are pretty common for bridging so clomid (which has a full range of nasty sides - acne, depression, etc..) isn't absolutely necessary as many have previously stated.

40mg is a very solid dose for a first timer. Several on this board have gotten gains of 10+lbs. using 15-25mg's daily but this should be considered a minimum effective dose. You could start with 20mg and work up over several weeks if you don't feel you are getting the results you want. No need to go over 40mg and unless you are already fairly large (215+) you will probably do fine on 20mg.

On an anavar only cycle I would employ a taper rather than use clomid. Most can come off anavar and never need clomid but a taper may be prudent (down to 10mg ED then EOD) in anycase and your natural levels should begin returning from any suppression once you reach the briging dosage levels and below.

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

FOCUS ON YOUR DIET MAN. eat 400grams of protein and you'll gain.

 

[liquidanny]

Thank you all for the help!

 

[Trevdog]

I think it is an open question whether Anavar causes suppression and if so, at what doses.

I have read everything from no suppression at any dose to suppression possible at doses above 30-40 mg. per day.

In my experience, you do keep virtually all of the gains from anavar if a good diet and training are maintained. Anavar will not cause water gains which would then be lost.

 

[overrx]

anavar is not supposed to supress hpta, and is even supposed to protect the liver, however i assume this changes in doses above 20 mg (just an estimate)

 

[liquidanny]

I am going to resurrect this fucker......

Check this out:

http://www.deca-durabolin.org/steroid/profiles/anavar.html

4th paragraph....even in high dosages anavar does NOT suppress body's own test production....

what does everyone think...

 

[flickenu]

i read that too, i was gonna ask about it but then i figured "not everything i read on the internet is true" im sure they have some sort of study to back it up, but u never know. however, i do tend to side with that article because whenever someone asks this question on the boards they get one of two responses- 1) no you don't have to because i did an anavar only cycle and my hpta wasn't suppressed, or 2)you might as well use clomid because its so cheap, why take the risk?

So basically im siding with the people that have experienced anavar only cycles. I was going to start a sust/dbol/eq cycle in a week but I'm still too worried about it effecting my growth because of my age. I have all that gear just sitting around now until the winter. however, on monday i am starting a 12 week anavar cycle at 40 mg/ed. I'll cut it short if i dont keep making gains after 9 weeks or so. i did order some clomid just in case though. i still don't kknow whether or not to use it. is there a definite way that you can tell your hpta levels are suppressed?

 

[liquidanny]

flick

what kind of gains did you see...the only thing that I hate is "it may suppress your appetite"...was that true...did you actually gain mass as well?

 

[flickenu]

however, on monday i am starting a 12 week anavar cycle at 40 mg/ed.

i havent started yet, i start on monday. and yes it does suppress your appetite.

 

[rez]

hey flick..do you think anavar is a wise option for decreasing bf%? If your appetite is suppresed, and strength is increased - a lower bf% should result, correct?!

 

[mlomker]

hey flick..do you think anavar is a wise option for decreasing bf%? If your appetite is suppresed, and strength is increased - a lower bf% should result, correct?!

Anavar is excellent for cutting. It is one of the steroids (along with winny & primo) that work well on a restricted calorie diet. I'm going to start an anavar only cycle soon. I'm primarily going to use it to offset any possible loses when cycling T3. If I make some gains as well then all the better.