An inoffensive, respectful Question on Atheism

[Y_lifter]

Decem's respecfull post makes me wonder....

If Atheists do not believe in General of a Creator and a GOD,
how was the Vast Eternal Universe created?

Where did the Universe and all it contains come from?

Any the correct answer is NOT that is was always here.
That IMO is not Logical.

thanks for your Respectfull replies as I am curious what you think or if you even wonder as an Atheist

 

[rippedtrojan]

why can't the universe just be? matter can neither be created nor destroyed. the universe was always here and always will be. the universe is constantly changing, and as such, the universe of tomorrow can possibly be nothing like the universe we know today. enjoy it while you can!

 

[Y_lifter]

I think my Logical statment relates to the fact as you reminded me that "Matter can not be created nor destroyed" as we understand physics.

No one knows for sure who or what or why the Universe was created. It is my "Belief" that some greater power did..

I'm just curious what others think. Obviously the belief that it was simply always there will be popular...

thanks.

 

[decem]

Decem's respecfull post makes me wonder....

If Atheists do not believe in General of a Creator and a GOD,
how was the Vast Eternal Universe created?

Where did the Universe and all it contains come from?

Any the correct answer is NOT that is was always here.
That IMO is not Logical.

thanks for your Respectfull replies as I am curious what you think or if you even wonder as an Atheist

i really hope there's no sarcasm in your voice (or fingers) when you say "decem's respectful post".. because i was being earnestly respectful

simply because we don't have the insight and knowledge on the inner workings of the universe.. and how it was formed... does not mean that we will never explain it.. and will never know how it was created.. (which i do feel that it came from something.. whether it's just a big ball of exploding/imploding mass.. or something put it there.. or something.. i don't know.. but i don't think.. it "just is"... especially when we can watch planets being created.. creation is there.. we can watch it.. we can watch stars be born and die...

check out the following sites..

www.space.com
http://www.space.com/searchforlife/index.html
http://www.seti.org/

 

[havoc]

I think many have a incorrect view of what God is due to so many years of hearing what God is from an incredible source. You must forget and abolish all notions and concepts of what God is, thats when you will understand. For example, and this is just an example, if one believes in The Big Bang, then they basically believe that a bunch of shit blew up and formed what we have today(Earth and all of its abundancies). If we take the intracacies of life and all that is takes to make it possible, from animal to man(and this is alot to comprehend people), one can only see that "shit did not just blow up", everything was waved in perfect form to make what we have today, nothing as difficult, as intricate, as beyond our thinking, as special can just appear without a "hand", without a "force", without "help". This help, hand and force I speak of is what is defined as God. peace

 

[c-sharp minor]

IF there is a God, then where did he come from? Everything has to start somehwere, right? Or does it?

If matter can't be eternal then how can god be eternal?

 

[Norman Bates]

Why does everyone assume that as soon as something cannot be explained by science some divine force is behind it?

Why does the universe need a creator, why doesn´t god need a creator?

What did an eternal god do all the time before creation?

The correct answer to who created the universe is that noone knows for sure.
And someone claiming to know that it was god makes as much sense as claiming that it was Yoda.

 

[2 ton hoss]

Decem's respecfull post makes me wonder....

If Atheists do not believe in General of a Creator and a GOD,
how was the Vast Eternal Universe created?

Where did the Universe and all it contains come from?

Any the correct answer is NOT that is was always here.
That IMO is not Logical.

thanks for your Respectfull replies as I am curious what you think or if you even wonder as an Atheist

I AM AN ATHEIST AND I CONFESS I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM. THERE ARE SOME THEORIES BUT EVEN THEY ARE LACKING (FOR INSTANCE WHAT CAME BEFORE THE BIG BANG??). SO I DO NOT KNOW. I WOULD RATHER JUST SAY I DO NOT KNOW, THAN PUT A GOD IN THERE TO FILL THE CRACKS. OCCAM'S RAZOR.

 

[decem]

Re: Re: Re: An inoffensive, respectful Question on Atheism

That person is Jesus. and since you already have decided not to follow him..what is "your" specific gain from keeping others from doing so????

what's your specific gain from keeping him from keeping others from following him?

 

[BackDoc]

Just wanted to post my 2 cents worth.

matter can neither be created nor destroyed

...except with regards to nuclear mechanisms.

I AM AN ATHEIST AND I CONFESS I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM.

Would this be a definition of Agnosticism instead of Atheism? It may just be a matter of semantics. If one can state definitively that "there is no God" then one would have to be a god to know for sure. This would negate the statement automatically. I'm interested in how Atheists have faith much the same as do believers. Otherwise, the agnostics will go on searching for proof for or against. This seems to me to be more sensical.

Just some thoughts, nothing argumentative or offensive, I hope.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Decem's respecfull post makes me wonder....

If Atheists do not believe in General of a Creator and a GOD,
how was the Vast Eternal Universe created?

Where did the Universe and all it contains come from?

Any the correct answer is NOT that is was always here.
That IMO is not Logical.

thanks for your Respectfull replies as I am curious what you think or if you even wonder as an Atheist

We are living in an information age. What that means is that every 15 years knowledge in general will double, and every 8 years our knowledge of physics will double. So in 16 years we will know 4x as much about physics as we currently do.

So my answer is, sit back and wait for the evidence & info to come in. I have no idea where any of it came from but in 25 years we should know 8x as much about the universe as we currently do and will be able to form better, more thourough and more proveable explanations than god or a big bang.

 

[Y_lifter]

Just got back from Lunch... Great replies, ... thanks
I think Havoc get kudo's for the most Original response with "A BUNCH OF SHIT BLEW UP"...

When I learn something new about Natural phenomemon or how complex Nature is, I ask myself "how could that just happen by accident?"

I was slightly embarrased to be a Christian a few months ago when My wife and I toured a really good Southern Baptist backed Non denominational Christian School in our area. Everything was going great. The School was nice, the teachers spoke of values and Moral behavior being upheld and taught as well as great academics.

Then we reached the part of the tour when we met some of the teachers.
The Science teacher made a specific point of telling us that he teaches Creationism only and does not mention Evolution in his class. In fact he denounces it as false.

I made a scene by asking "why not believe that God has created the Universe and all creatures and allowed them to change over time?"
It turned into a theologial debate that ended with us realizing our Daughter, who wants to be a Marine Biologist, would be confused at this School no matter how good it was.

 

[tordön]

I think my Logical statment relates to the fact as you reminded me that "Matter can not be created nor destroyed" as we understand physics.

No one knows for sure who or what or why the Universe was created. It is my "Belief" that some greater power did..

I'm just curious what others think. Obviously the belief that it was simply always there will be popular...

thanks.

All religions and faiths were born out of not knowing and our innate human NEED to know and explain. To know where we came from, how we got here, were we go when we die. Follow his clergy's words and we will be eternally happy they tell us. WHY? When the bible was written some 1400 years ago MAN did not know of space, the stars and the planets. And if God was the all creator you say, why didn't he tell the church the truth and how science in the right hands is a good thing? If you take the time to know the real truth and history of Christianity you will see it is not much more than the best answers educated man had for the life and times they lived in many, many years ago.

Islam and Judism are not much different. Religions created to quite commen people who simply wanted answers before they existed.

If anyone wants some factual biblical insight I suggest The Oxford History of The Biblical World by Michael Coogin.

 

[rippedtrojan]

Just wanted to post my 2 cents worth.




...except with regards to nuclear mechanisms.

that still isn't true. nuclear mechanicsms are methods for unleashing energy. no nuclear mechanism can create or destroy atomic or sub-atomic particles. they just play around with them.

 

[BackDoc]

Absolutely. Moreover in terms of changes of physical state, albeit. In this case the definition of matter should probably be changed to energy, as some texts point out. With that change of words it is complete in most any definition, since if matter changed to light energy, some schools of thought see light not as a particle but as a wavelength. For those who see light as a wave rather than a particle, they may use the term energy instead of matter. In the particle theory of light science it further underscores my point.

However, the bottom line remains that the theory of the big bang rests probably at some intermediate point in the time continuum. The big bang theory does not make solid efforts to explain the origins of the matter that comprised the universe before the big bang. For this reason nearly solely, I have not found it conclusive enough to follow.