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america vs. other 1st world countries

Lao Tzu

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i'm only including 1st world countries because their per capita income, economic development & technology are basically on par with ours.

okay. Anyone from america feel free to explain why we are great or why we suck. Anyone in another country feel free to give your opinions on america, or america vs. any other 1st world country in regards to things. If you are biased, try to admit that before you post as it makes sifting through the info easier.

Tell me about the Netherlands george.
 
There is very little difference in the everyday business of living from place to place viz a viz the U.S. and Western European countries that I have lived in. As the man said in the movie "They got the same shit we got here but their shit is a little different."

People mainly like Americans as individuals even if they do think, for example, that our president is a man of child-like intelligence who wears a cowboy hat. People you meet will think America is great/sucks for reasons you would never imagine, like the German car-worker I met who was pissed with Americans because his company was downsizing and relocating production to the U.S. to take advantage of the cheap labor. We're the cheap labor now? WTF. Everyone, everywhere cannot fucking believe how fat American tourists are. I mean they have fat people too, just not so many of them and essentially nobody over 300 lbs. People also think that Americans have to work 80 hours a week just to survive, while they're happy to tell you about their 8 weeks vacation a year statutory minimum.

As far as culture goes, the industrialized world is now part of one giant United States of Generica, it's the same crap everywhere. We give them crap like Britney Spears, we rip off all their T.V. shows and produce boring. bland, castrated versions of them with no nudity.
 
Doktor Bollix said:

As far as culture goes, the industrialized world is now part of one giant United States of Generica, it's the same crap everywhere. We give them crap like Britney Spears, we rip off all their T.V. shows and produce boring. bland, castrated versions of them with no nudity.



But what about culture at large. Is that different on the national level, or just on the city level (for example, America vs. Canada on the death penalty as opposed to Birmingham alabama vs. san francisco California in regards to the death penalty). It seems like there is more variety from city to city within a country than from country to country sometimes, but i don't have enough experience to say for sure.

the info about 8 week vacations was interesting.
 
any one who thinks that the united states is not the best modern empire you need to do some rethinking.
 
A. Soldat said:
There is no such thing as a GOOD empire. Empire serves the ruling elite, while dispossessing the MAJORITY. America was founded because enlightened Englishmen recognized the evils of empire.

Unfortuantely, the majority in this country ceded power to a mercenary cabal of power-crazed men on Capitol Hill a long time ago.


Excellent post.
 
A. Soldat said:
There is no such thing as a GOOD empire. Empire serves the ruling elite, while dispossessing the MAJORITY. America was founded because enlightened Englishmen recognized the evils of empire.

Unfortuantely, the majority in this country ceded power to a mercenary cabal of power-crazed men on Capitol Hill a long time ago.

True but not since the Roman empire has one country enjoyed such distance and dominance in regards to the other nations of the world. I have debated with many people that I believe the U.S. could most likely take over the world at this point.

It is no longer a collection of nations that make up this world, America is clearly the only superpower left, nations just follow our lead.
 
A. Soldat said:
There is no such thing as a GOOD empire. Empire serves the ruling elite, while dispossessing the MAJORITY. America was founded because enlightened Englishmen recognized the evils of empire.

Unfortuantely, the majority in this country ceded power to a mercenary cabal of power-crazed men on Capitol Hill a long time ago.

True, if a little hysterically put. The "ruling elite" or however you wnat to call the movers and shakers have no concern for the masses (that's us) and no interest in the common good. American's have to develop some capacity for self-criticism to improve our society and stop chest-beating about how we can kick every one's asses every time someone makes a point that challenges our T.V. narcoticized world view.
 
Doktor Bollix said:
There is very little difference in the everyday business of living from place to place viz a viz the U.S. and Western European countries that I have lived in. As the man said in the movie "They got the same shit we got here but their shit is a little different."



Your post although in some parts true and in others funny is of a very shallow perception. The above quote is silly. That is like going to Japan, which is a totally different culture and saying, "well they are basically the same"

We have cars, they have cars
we have women, they have women
we have TV, they have tv
we have clubs, they have clubs
we have churches, they have churches
we eat food, they eat food.

See the point i am making?
 
gwl9dta4 said:

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Originally posted by Doktor Bollix
There is very little difference in the everyday business of living from place to place viz a viz the U.S. and Western European countries that I have lived in. As the man said in the movie "They got the same shit we got here but their shit is a little different."


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Your post although in some parts true and in others funny is of a very shallow perception. The above quote is silly. That is like going to Japan, which is a totally different culture and saying, "well they are basically the same"

We have cars, they have cars
we have women, they have women
we have TV, they have tv
we have clubs, they have clubs
we have churches, they have churches
we eat food, they eat food.

See the point i am making?

Japan is not in Western Europe.

See the point I'm making?
 
Doktor Bollix said:


Japan is not in Western Europe.



Ofcourse it's not. But the example is valid as Western Europe and the US are vastly different in the culture and society. everything from habits to mentality to food choices.

And when you say western Europe, whom are you referring to? Because you can not lump all of western Europe into 1 category.

I assure you that France is VASTLY different from Spain or Portugal. All of which are vastly different from Germany which all in turn are vastly different from Sweden and Norway. Britain is in it's own little world and bears little to no resemblence to the people of Ireland or Scotland, both of which are unique.

See the conondrum? (sp?)
 
I assert that it's a fond sentimental notion of Americans that all of these people are so fabulously unique.

Continental Europe still has it's many charms but Britain and Ireland? May as well be in Dayton, Ohio. I limit the scope of my remarks to the big cities. I know Ireland very well and have spent a lot of time there and in the past 10 years it has changed immeasurably. GDP per head is higher than Canada's (but not as high as the U.S. yet obviously) cos they got their economy to grow at double digit rates for a long time by slavishly imitating the American way of doing business. The country went from an agricultural base to the worlds' largest exporter of software in a generation. The more things changed, the more American it got. A lot of people in Europe don't like this inevitability but it will happen everywhere else too, not so easily where there isn't a common language but eventually.

When everybody is wearing the same clothes, listening to the same music, watching the same movies, eating the same food (they all eat macdonalds and pizza too ya know) working for the same companies, what really distinguishes the guy from France from the guy from New Jersey, the fact that in France they have 600 varieties of cheese? In my opinion it's that the french guy probably drinks more, fucks more and works less than his american counterpart, the differences are in things like that.

I got a lecture once from a French kid on great french culture is and how dumb Americans are because 40% or something of college kids can't find America on a map of the world. The guy was wearing a Jurassic Park T-shirt which was kind of a credibility killer as a culture warrior.

Why do you think all these backward ass cultures hate us? It's because American culture is the most revolutionary force the world has ever known, and the forces of tradition/conservatism are against this.
 
gwl9dta4 said:

Britain is in it's own little world and bears little to no resemblence to the people of Ireland or Scotland, both of which are unique.

Scotland is part of Britain, unless the SNP won an election while I wasn't looking.

Did you mean to say "England is in it's own little world..."?? The terms "England" and "Britain" are not interchangable.
"Britain" means the U.K. - England, Scotland, and Wales. (I'll just sidestep the issue of Northern Ireland, thank you very much...) The term "British Isles" means both islands.

While the three constituient countries of the UK have cultural differences, they have far more in common with each other than with the European mainland.
 
Doktor Bollix said:
\When everybody is wearing the same clothes, listening to the same music, watching the same movies, eating the same food (they all eat macdonalds and pizza too ya know) working for the same companies, what really distinguishes the guy from France from the guy from New Jersey, the fact that in France they have 600 varieties of cheese? In my opinion it's that the french guy probably drinks more, fucks more and works less than his american counterpart, the differences are in things like that.

I got a lecture once from a French kid on great french culture is and how dumb Americans are because 40% or something of college kids can't find America on a map of the world. The guy was wearing a Jurassic Park T-shirt which was kind of a credibility killer as a culture warrior.

Why do you think all these backward ass cultures hate us? It's because American culture is the most revolutionary force the world has ever known, and the forces of tradition/conservatism are against this.


Well part of what you say is true. BUT that is not to say it's all an American influence. Take for Example in America the proliferation of French and Italian restaurants. Then look at all the Imports that Americans are dirving. Morning cartoons in the US have a good ammount of Japanimation, SP?

Having been raised in a different culture and race i can tell you the difference is more then 600 varieties of cheese. Ofcourse most cultures like to eat a good pizza or a burger and drink beer, those are just surface things that make most of the different cultures APPEAR the same or similar.

I do not want to offend you but some of the things you say could be argued by some as a typical ingorant attitue toward other cultures. You have to approach each culture with an open mind and a keen eye for it's subtalties.
 
I don't really consider the proliferation of Au bon pain and Papa Ginos to be some sort of cultural victory for France or Italy over the Yankee hegemony. In my first post I talked about how cultural innovation comes from other countries. Then we fabricate a version devoid of cultural value and sell it the world who adores it.

NJmuscle you sound Japanese to me in your careful efforts not to offend. Please be advised that I am an uncultured Gaijin looking for a fight so my opinions are deliberately inflammatory. Feel free to insult at will.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
I have lived in France, Poland, Sweden, US and visited Germany on many occasions. Believe me that once you get sincerely exposed to different cultures you will see the US as being FAR from the top of the list of countries you would want to live in.

Yeah, Sweden is nice ... for Swedes. Germany is nice, too ... for Germans. Japan is very advanced and liveable ... for the Japanese. These are countries that discriminate (some in very subtle, yet obvious ways, others - much more directly) against minorities that are not part of the majority ethnos.

With the exception of the US, all the countries that you mentioned are homogeneous nation-states with distinct cultures and few minorities (France is still 85% ethnically French, while Sweden is somewhere at 87% ethnically Swedish.) Germany is at least 90% ethnically German. There's no such ethnic unity in the US, and that's why most immigrants go there or Canada or Australia - there are less institutional and systemic limitations in multi-cultural societies that were built by immigrants/setllers. That's not the case in homogeneous European nation-states, such as Germany, that traditionally have been sending emigrants to other countries (USA, Canada, Brazil, Chile, etc.), as opposed receiving immigrants.

Although they're opening up now, due to globalization and the need for cheap labor, most European countries are not immigrant societies, while the US is.

So, I don't really see how you could compare living in the US to living in some European nation-state, because the process of assimilation/integration is very different in each case - civic (US) and ethnic (most of Europe) forms of national membership have completely different entrance requirements.
 
some comments...

As ther poster said, Scotland is still part of the UK. There is a parliament here now, that can legislate on internal matters, kinda like a state legislature.

Ireland is more like the US for another reason - a LOT of Irish people have lived in the US. Many immigrants returned when the economy picked up. Most students have spent at least one summer working on the east coast. Etc. So the American influence is MUCH stronger in Ireland than in the rest of Western Europe.

I find that most of the continent are very different from Ireland and the UK. Their goals and aspirations are just, different... they aspire to a certain bourgeois idyllic lifestyle where nothing ever happens... plus, in Europe, immigrant communities have not impacted the culture as much, despite ther presence, whereas the UK has had a lot of cultural influence from its immigrant groups, possibly because they've been here for far longer than in EUrope, where the main immigrant groups arrived in the 60s.

You could live in a white suburb of Paris and have no idea that there were peopel from many different countries living in the city by surveying the cultural influences in your neighbourhood, the same is not true here.

There are big differences in culture and attitude. People over here are more socially conscious in that WW2 happened not so long ago, and although the US was involved you did not have people bombing your cities much or tramping across your land... people are very afraid of war.

I think americans are more confident and optimistic in the ability of their system to let the small man triumph through hard work. We suspect the state over here and do not subscribe to the view that working hard will get you anywhere, as the socal upheaval of the last century has demonstrated that shit happens outside your control. Continentals are very cynical in this regard.

Lastly, the Dutch really seem to have running a nice society down pat. There's a lot the rest of EUrope could learn from them.
 
Ah Scotland. I remember watching the Orange Order march in Paisley near Glasgow. I felt like I was in a foreign country then, hell I felt like I was on a different planet.

You do make a good point though, as ethnic identity crumbles and societies become more heterogenous, and Europe federates they will increasingly follow the American model.

We're like the Borg. We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile. You're all citizens of the United States of Generica already. You're Genericans. A few quaint local idiosyncracies like Irn Bru and deep-fried mars bars can't save you.
 
Holland is great.
just had to say it

"Although they're opening up now, due to globalization and the need for cheap labor, most European countries are not immigrant societies, while the US is. "

thats one large load of bullcrap, at least for holland. Rotterdam, our second largest city, is either nearing or has just surpassed 50% of the population being non white. Amsterdam is not far behind
 
Right, one of the burning issues accross Western Europe right now is the threat to national identity posed by the millions of people from the third world pouring into Europe. Smaller countries are feeling swamped. So many people in Holland for example supported Pims Fortuyn this is undeniable. The French are ashamed of the popularity of Jean Marie Le Pen but it is there. Even Denmark elected a right wing government recently who want to prevent the immigration of muslims because they are"backward."

These people are all deluded. The migrants will keep coming. It's inexorable, people want better jobs and safety for their family that they can't get back home, and Holland is a lot nearer to Chad for example than America is. These people will assimilate not differentiate if their new countries make an effort.

National self-identity will erode in an increasingly federated Europe where people relate to each other through the world's universal translator, which is American culture.
 
I've yet to visit Europe. Most of my time has been spent in the Pacific. There are some nice countries in the pacific. Australia, Singpore, Hong Kong, Japan. I guess I could call any place "home". I know I could because I have.

But I'd KNOW I wasn't really home. Some criticize American's for being cultureless and by some opinion I think I just read we're Godless culture as well. I believe this attitude comes from our inherit lack of predictability. There is no standard for a U.S. citizen. We're what happens when the entire world lives as one nation.

From the outside looking in it may be to complex for some to decifer.

But, we'll get by. :rolleyes:
 
mmmmm Irn Bru. Deep fried mars bars....


but I digress. It doesn't actually bother me if culture changes rapidly, It has changed over thousands of years and people are always afraid of something new. So we get more like the US, so what, I liked the US when I last visited it, although the lack of a driving licence at the time was a bit of a pain.

The French are paranoid about culture because they velieve they are inherently superior for being French and seem to think everyone is out to get them. However the Fernch have one of the strongest cultural identities I have ever seen (mainly due to late-19th-century social policy that is still pretty much in place).

I wouldn't worry about the French.
 
Robert Jan said:
Holland is great.
just had to say it

"Although they're opening up now, due to globalization and the need for cheap labor, most European countries are not immigrant societies, while the US is. "

thats one large load of bullcrap, at least for holland. Rotterdam, our second largest city, is either nearing or has just surpassed 50% of the population being non white. Amsterdam is not far behind

No, it's not "one large load of bullcrap." :rolleyes: Did you actually read my sentence above, or you just threw that little insult because you think you're funny? I said most European countries, not all, which would naturally exclude some places.

However, I fail to see how the changing ethnic composition of the two biggest cities in Holland applies to the whole of Dutch society. Last time I checked, 90% of the circa 16 million who live in your country are ethnically Dutch. 90%! How is that an immigrant society?

In contrast to your mostly homogeneous northwestern European nation, in which the native ethnos, the Dutch, are clearly the majority of Holland's population, the overwhelming majority of the population of countries such as Canada, USA, and Australia is composed of immigrants or the descendants of immigrants.

Capice?
 
Pure unadulterated shite my brownshirted friend. It was Chirac who mobilized the French against LePen, a dedicated Gaullist. Jospin, the representative of the left, resigned in ignominy because of his lack of support in the first round. The left didn't have a dog in that fight though they were forced to vote for Chirac. Le Pen is no culture warrior, he's a loutish, drunken petty demagogue of the most mundane type who lucked out and received a protest vote because of the incompetence of the incumbent government. To elevate him to the protector of the Jews is laughable!
 
US, Canada, UK, Germany..... all the same thing. Just the package is different. They have all basically the same income, same public service.... the culture is different. But from my experience you'll be happy in any 1st world country. They all have good and bad.
 
Gubernatorial Goosefish said:


However, I fail to see how the changing ethnic composition of the two biggest cities in Holland applies to the whole of Dutch society. Last time I checked, 90% of the circa 16 million who live in your country are ethnically Dutch. 90%! How is that an immigrant society?

It's an immigrant society because that 10% all arrived yesterday. One has to think in terms of long term trends.

On the other hand, it is not an immigrant society, because no western European country has the "Give me your tired, huddled masses, yearning to break free" ethos that made the United States great. The Europeans are more like "Give us your limited number of computer programmers and doctors, and I guess we'll take a few of you guys who were having red-hot pokers stuck up your asses for your political beliefs back home."

They'll never keep these people out, and need them anyway to offset their negative birth-rates. One more nail in the coffin of all these silly, narcissistic, national identities they keep ranting on about. They will all be assimilated into Generica and speaking English within 50 years.
 
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In addition to what Dr. Bollix has said, Le Pen's National Front publishes a magazine, Minute, which routinely has anti-semitic crap on the cover or the interior. Yes, I picked it up a few times in newsagents just to see what they are printing.

LePen is imho a national socialist. BUT he can't say that so he LIES to get votes. A lot of French people are in a bad economic situation (unemployment disproportionally affects those under 30), they don't like arabs too much, and they find them kind of annoying, and LePen capitalises on these vague feelings with a creed that is purely driven by hate. Most of his voters are not as extreme as he is, but he is a bigger danger to democracy than ANY number of arab immigrant workers.

Before you ask, yes I have lived in France, and yes, I do believe that LePen would start a war in Europe given half the chance. I think he is DANGEROUS. I've seen LePen twisting and turning on TV when some of his less avory comments and speeches to associates have made the news. There's one watered-down, more acceptable-sounding voice of the FN that you hear on the media, the real, ugly face of that organisation appears when they think no-one is listening...

A. Soldat you are misguided - the Gaulists are the real patriots of France. They fought and resisted German occupation at great personal risk and cost after the Vichy government capitulated. Although I am leftist, I would run screaming from the French left, as Mitterand made sure no-one competent was left to suceed them, having "neutralised" every threat to his eladership for over 30 years....

circusgirl
 
European Union

By Dr. Dan Higgins

The main thing about all the fucking Europeans hating each other is that it just doesn’t make any fucking sense. I mean, its not like there’s any real fucking difference anyways—they all dig Mickey D’s and Planet Hollywood, they all drive those faggy minicars unless they can afford an SUV, there’re soccer fags everywhere, and pretty much everybody that counts speaks English with a shitty accent. It’s all just a fucking act.

It reminds me of how all the Phi Delts said they hated the other frats even though really we’d all party together. Everyone knew it was bullshit but you still had to keep up appearances.

What it really fucking comes down to, is that they hate each other because they aren’t American enough, even though they’re trying hard to be more and more like us. Look at it like this: all the frats would stop talking shit about whichever one was throwing a big fucking party with free beer. Europe’s interested in America just like the frats were interested in the beer. It fucking unifies them. Only, whereas the frats would alternate who threw the keggers, no European country can be America. Like there’s only one Sigma Chi, and then a whole bunch of Alpha Delt dorks.

So the fucking differences aren’t even that different. Europe is just a shittier, second rate version of America. There’s nothing you can find there that you can’t find at a mall in the US, but there’s all sorts of shit in the US you can’t find in Europe. All the cities have that European look to them, all the toilets can’t clean the shit off of the sides when you flush, everybody lives in a little fucking apartment with no elevator and spends tons of fucking money on shitty little cups of coffee that don’t hold a candle to Starbucks. Except in price.

Another way you know it’s an act is, if they fucking can’t stand each other so much, why the fucking euro? I mean, do you think Americans are impressed? Quit pretending and just use the fucking dollar, don’t go making some new stupid looking bills with fags whose names I can’t pronounce on them.

I know there’s a whole shitload of reasons for the envy. Think about it—imagine if you had to admit that Hard Rock blows away every restaurant in your city. Wouldn’t you want to live in the fucking US of A, where you can let it all hang out?

The worst thing though is that the European women all wear scarves around their fucking necks and they don’t fucking put out. I mean, they make American bitches seem like target practice.

My only point is that Europeans need to fucking quit pretending like each country is unique. It’s not like it’s fooling any fucking body. So why the fuck do they bother? I guess that’s another reason they’re fucking inferior.


The Evolution of the Eurofag


It’s easy to recoil in disgust at the sight of Eurofags (EF’s) drifting like discarded restaurant coupons through the streets of once-great cities. But like the vulture and the liver fluke, the Eurofag has a place in Nature’s great scheme. As a wise philosophe once said, “To understand is to forgive, within reason.”

The next time you see a EF wavering along, remember that his strange habits and markings are only an attempt to mimic the vanished European upper class. Above all it is the slow, bored gait of the EF which ape the motions of the lost aristocracy. Aristocrats could afford to dawdle; peasants spurred by starvation and the knout, moved at a shambling trot. Thus the EF moves like a sloth through molasses and does his best to hide all emotions except a faked ennui—unless the topic of beer and the merits of various national brands comes up, in whichcase the proletarian gene-base of the EF can become startlingly, even dangerously, clear. Observers are advised to leave the area if EF males begin discussing beer.

The faux ennui also vanishes when the EF reaches his preferred habitat, the cheesy disco, which according to some anthropologists summons racial memories: peasant ancestors gazing in awe at the bright, candle-filled ballrooms of their betters.

The odd wardrobe favored by EFs also evokes the vanished elite. Before plastic was invented, shiny objects such as gold sunglasses, polished shoes and silk shirts were the exclusive privilege of the wealthy. The peasant’s garb came in only one shade: mud. Thus the EF feels an instinctive link between gleaming objects and high status and will often “hoard” flotsam such as kruggerands, dacron and hair mousse.

The white cocaine-moustache often seen on EFs at their mating rituals is also an attempt to mimic the vanished Lordlings. The most irksome traits of the drug—its absurdly high price per dose and short duration—is a form of tribal display, or Potlatch. Often the EF will choose to forego food, shelter or Evian to maintain the precious moustache.

So although it’s easy to dismiss the EF’s gaudy displays, remember that they are only a sincere and perhaps rather sad attempt to evoke a grandeur the EF never really possessed and only dimly imagines. So rather than swerving into the next EF who drifts across your path, let the creature live out its time in a hostile, bewildering world.
 
Stumpy said:
European Union

By Dr. Dan Higgins

The main thing about all the fucking Europeans hating each other is that it just doesn’t make any fucking sense. I mean, its not like there’s any real fucking difference anyways—they all dig Mickey D’s and Planet Hollywood, they all drive those faggy minicars unless they can afford an SUV, there’re soccer fags everywhere, and pretty much everybody that counts speaks English with a shitty accent. It’s all just a fucking act.

It reminds me of how all the Phi Delts said they hated the other frats even though really we’d all party together. Everyone knew it was bullshit but you still had to keep up appearances.

What it really fucking comes down to, is that they hate each other because they aren’t American enough, even though they’re trying hard to be more and more like us. Look at it like this: all the frats would stop talking shit about whichever one was throwing a big fucking party with free beer. Europe’s interested in America just like the frats were interested in the beer. It fucking unifies them. Only, whereas the frats would alternate who threw the keggers, no European country can be America. Like there’s only one Sigma Chi, and then a whole bunch of Alpha Delt dorks.

So the fucking differences aren’t even that different. Europe is just a shittier, second rate version of America. There’s nothing you can find there that you can’t find at a mall in the US, but there’s all sorts of shit in the US you can’t find in Europe. All the cities have that European look to them, all the toilets can’t clean the shit off of the sides when you flush, everybody lives in a little fucking apartment with no elevator and spends tons of fucking money on shitty little cups of coffee that don’t hold a candle to Starbucks. Except in price.

Another way you know it’s an act is, if they fucking can’t stand each other so much, why the fucking euro? I mean, do you think Americans are impressed? Quit pretending and just use the fucking dollar, don’t go making some new stupid looking bills with fags whose names I can’t pronounce on them.

I know there’s a whole shitload of reasons for the envy. Think about it—imagine if you had to admit that Hard Rock blows away every restaurant in your city. Wouldn’t you want to live in the fucking US of A, where you can let it all hang out?

The worst thing though is that the European women all wear scarves around their fucking necks and they don’t fucking put out. I mean, they make American bitches seem like target practice.

My only point is that Europeans need to fucking quit pretending like each country is unique. It’s not like it’s fooling any fucking body. So why the fuck do they bother? I guess that’s another reason they’re fucking inferior.


The Evolution of the Eurofag


It’s easy to recoil in disgust at the sight of Eurofags (EF’s) drifting like discarded restaurant coupons through the streets of once-great cities. But like the vulture and the liver fluke, the Eurofag has a place in Nature’s great scheme. As a wise philosophe once said, “To understand is to forgive, within reason.”

The next time you see a EF wavering along, remember that his strange habits and markings are only an attempt to mimic the vanished European upper class. Above all it is the slow, bored gait of the EF which ape the motions of the lost aristocracy. Aristocrats could afford to dawdle; peasants spurred by starvation and the knout, moved at a shambling trot. Thus the EF moves like a sloth through molasses and does his best to hide all emotions except a faked ennui—unless the topic of beer and the merits of various national brands comes up, in whichcase the proletarian gene-base of the EF can become startlingly, even dangerously, clear. Observers are advised to leave the area if EF males begin discussing beer.

The faux ennui also vanishes when the EF reaches his preferred habitat, the cheesy disco, which according to some anthropologists summons racial memories: peasant ancestors gazing in awe at the bright, candle-filled ballrooms of their betters.

The odd wardrobe favored by EFs also evokes the vanished elite. Before plastic was invented, shiny objects such as gold sunglasses, polished shoes and silk shirts were the exclusive privilege of the wealthy. The peasant’s garb came in only one shade: mud. Thus the EF feels an instinctive link between gleaming objects and high status and will often “hoard” flotsam such as kruggerands, dacron and hair mousse.

The white cocaine-moustache often seen on EFs at their mating rituals is also an attempt to mimic the vanished Lordlings. The most irksome traits of the drug—its absurdly high price per dose and short duration—is a form of tribal display, or Potlatch. Often the EF will choose to forego food, shelter or Evian to maintain the precious moustache.

So although it’s easy to dismiss the EF’s gaudy displays, remember that they are only a sincere and perhaps rather sad attempt to evoke a grandeur the EF never really possessed and only dimly imagines. So rather than swerving into the next EF who drifts across your path, let the creature live out its time in a hostile, bewildering world.

Interesting :)
 
I don´t think the USA can be defined as easilly as some do... its a very diversified country, bigger than europe and with almost as many inhabitants... it´s a country of immigrants. I´ve never been there. The stereotype of the american, here in europe, is "the uneducated guy who thinks america is the center of the world and that chickens are produced in factories...", we also talk alot about the obesity rates there, the importance of religion in politics, etc... and, in my own opinion, i think there´s more individual freedom in most western european countries than in the USA. We talk about the NRA and all that movement, and most people don´t understand how can some peeps in the US defend such things... "the bigger the better mentality...", "the tendency to exagerate things", "the agressive attitude", etc...
 
The Varnsen said:
We talk about the NRA and all that movement, and most people don´t understand how can some peeps in the US defend such things... "the bigger the better mentality...", "the tendency to exagerate things", "the agressive attitude", etc...

My dad is spanish and I spent a lot of time there. Believe me, people on many aspects are just simply ignorant. They dont understand about the NRA cause they live in a socialist society and they never took any time to think about these issues. I did it and I realize how the NRA, among many other things, was important for a democratic society.
 
HighIntensity said:
any one who thinks that the united states is not the best modern empire you need to do some rethinking.

Sorry. But it just isn't.

Sweden and Norway are FAR better socio-economically.

Canada however, is still my first choice as far as standard of
living is concerned.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


Sorry. But it just isn't.

Sweden and Norway are FAR better socio-economically.

Canada however, is still my first choice as far as standard of
living is concerned.

Fonz

Love it or leave it wuss!!!!

(just kidding.....that's the hillbilly karma I once got for saying something against the the thought of getting drafted for war.....I can only imagine the karma you're getting because of your views)
 
EngiCream said:


Love it or leave it wuss!!!!

(just kidding.....that's the hillbilly karma I once got for saying something against the the thought of getting drafted for war.....I can only imagine the karma you're getting because of your views)

I haven't gotten negative karma in like 5 months.

I guess I intimidate some people.......LOL :)

(Now, don't you guys be gay and bombard me with neg. Karma)

Fonz
 
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