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I do squats with a bunch of different folks at the gym but i just started to step back and look at the cycles i've gone thru in the last few years and look at some friends that make me feel weak. They gotta be on something right. I've known them for ever and shit they are solid but look smaller thanme. My bench is 225 for 8-9 reps at 3-4 sets. My squats are 315 for 8-10. Is there something to be said for quality muscle and lifting w/o gear? and having quality muscle?
 
rother, genetics are a blessing or a curse. My buddy outlifts me in evrything, is totally natural and I've done 11 cycles. My only consulation is letting the air out of his tires.....kidding, dude is a beast tho and a great example of good genetics bc his diet sucks too.

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dude im one of those who struggled for years, and i mean like at least 5..... doing programs that juice head mates where doing and they conintually packed on size and strength and i just didnt, i got injured i changed my diet, met dietitians fuck i even had my balls molestered by a 50 year old ivf speciallist as i convinced myself there was something wrong with me..... and there was, my brain..... i trained 6 days a week cos they did, i trained shoulders for an hour straight cos they did, and hey it worked for them ( fukin biatches ). i stopped training for 3-6months to clear my mind as lifting was my obsession, i read books disregarding any program i came accross cos they all contradict each other and we are all different so we will all respond differently..... over the past couple of years, is when ive really broken through and become intouch with my body ( no ghey intended ) after readin arnold shhwartsonigga ( fuk the spelling ) i stepped back and studied myself, i'm an ectomorph all my mates where mesomorphs. so i cut my training down to 3 days a week, i do no isolation movements. NONE. i do all compounds and after warming up i hit heavy, and i mean heavy. when you cut all the side raises and curls out of it you will be surprised at how strong you are. my training works for me regardless of what anyone says or how i get told im doing it wrong i was im 6'2" and 3 years ago i got married at 87 kilo and today leaving the gym i weighed myself and im 120kilo. no one can tell me i'm training wrong when i've put on 30 kilo over 3 years. i just do deadlifts of varrying types, rows (upright and tbar rows with olympic not machine shit) Bench, Squats, Standing military press and thats it...... the difference between my physique and my mates or people i see training how they do is i'm much thicker more like a power lifter not the fat type lol........




After all that rant my advice is dont follow your trining partners or see them grow and question your progression what is working for them isnt working for you, so find what does..... i blamed everything down to the gear i was getting for not progressing but you should progress without the gear so get your training under wraps assuming your diet is suffice then when you cycle your results will amaze you
 
Wow I was jacked when I started this thread last night. Although I guess it still holds true. I think I just got dealt a bad hand when it comes to genetics. I'm the exact same build as my dad originally which I need to remember. He's a bean pole and if you put us next to each other now you'd think neck down we're completely unrelated. By the way stevesmi i'm 38 6'1 200lbs w/ roughly 11-12% bf I have some old pics on my profile but i'd say i'm leaner now. I guess the subliminal spark that made me post this was this guy I usually spot on bench for when I'm at the gym asked if i was done and i had 2 45's on each side and that bastard always one ups me. And he's tiny! He thru another 25 on each side and just busted out a few 10 rep sets. I guess what is eating at me is the the guy looks half the size of me. Just drunken posting and a little of had to get that off my chest, not pun intended...
 
^^^ don't worry what your friends do or try to out bench them or whatever. just do your own thing.. my weightlifting coach used to tell me "weightlifting is an individual sport" didn't understand what he meant at the time but now I get it. no matter how good or bad your genetics are you can still be a weightlifter.

if it bothers you this much then change gyms or start going at a different time. i used to workout with one dude who was 275 and another who was 240 with a gut. they would bench close to 500 and i would be doing low 300's. then we would have another dude who would workout with us who would do mid 150's.. it doesn't matter how much you do.. everyone is different and has different goals. the guy with the gut used to tell me to just gain weight and not worry about my body fat, but i would try and explain to him that i wanted to stay under 13% body fat and wasn't concerned with how much i could bench.. i would tell him this over and over again and he just couldn't grasp that my goals were different.
 
Please listen to Steve, otherwise you are going to be miserable and drive yourself nuts. If you compare yourself to others (something that is uncontrollable) you will always be at the mercy of whomever is stronger or better looking than you (which someone always will be) and you allow yourself to never fully feel satisfied with whom you are....in lifting, sports, life, work, if you are extrinsically motivated and comparing yourself to others you experience much less satisfaction because so many variables are out of your control....when you instrinsically motivate yourself and compete with YOURSELF, mastery of your own tasks and goals, you can be much happier and in control of your moods and emotions...maybe do some google searching on instrinsic and extrinsic motivation and read up on it, will help explain it in more detail why comparing yourself to others is always going to be a mindf__k and not productive for your gym time or balance in your life...

On to numbers on lifts...too many variables...genetics, training age (how long have they been training), training program design (are you training for strength, power, strength endurance, max strength, endurance, or a combo? or are you training for body composition and appearance?), injuries and health history, nutrition, supplementation, rest and recovery protocols (booze kills your recovery, dehydrates you, lowers your Test levels), the list goes on and on....if you want to test yourself on certain lifts go ahead and pick whether you are one rep maxing, 3 rep max, or max reps, pick a few lifts, find out where you are now, and then create a program that is going to work towards beating those numbers 3 months from now and compete against yourself.

If you are not training day in and day out with these guys, who knows how they are training...say if they are focusing on high rep training most of the time, and you are a low rep guy training for a powerlifting meet, there is a good chance that if you watch them do high rep squats you will get all bummed out seeing what they can do....but maybe if you hit a one rep max you would blow them away....if you dont have goals other than watching what folks do at the gym you will not be able to design a program properly to acheive whatever lifting goals you have...and if your goals are just to look yoked and be lean, then numbers, reps, all that shouldnt matter at all because you could be training entirely different....make sense? You cant get yoked, be the best at max one rep lifts, be the best at high rep squats or bench, and be dropping massive amounts of bodyfat all at the same time...you need to priortize why you are lifting for the next 2-3 months and go for it...then if goals change, change your training....how much you can max lift or max rep on stuff often is training your nervous system correctly (in addition to all the other variables we mentioned)....last year I hit a 375 bench one rep max, and 225 for 23 reps....this year for various reasons Im staying away from heavy singles and doing a period of higher rep work, chain work, band work, and right now am hoping in a few weeks to hit 225 for 26 or 27 reps maybe....not a huge difference but still its a goal to beat a past PR, but I havent gone over 275 bench in 6 months, I would be crushed by a 375 single right now!! But Im not sweating it, Im more having fun wondering what sort of reps I can get with 225 in the coming weeks for giggles...and Im your age too, so the older Im getting the less Im caring how I compare to anyone else, and when I allow myself to get fired up and be happy for training partners or friends even if they are 40lbs lighter than me and kicking my tail, its a great feeling...Im too old for comparisons, and these days if I try to push too hard I end up with injuries so its just not worth it....

Enjoy it! Lifting is a gift for all of us who still do it!!!
 
One more note...Im on HRT and doing an occasional blast...Im not even close to as strong as I was naturally and no amount of gear would get me there....if you were peaking when you were young its hard to maintain max power or strength once you are past your late 20s, and even if you could juice your tail off to keep making gains, structure wise your body at some point is gonna pay for it and you will be under the knife a lot....I love those Westside Barbell guys, freaking madmen, but have you ever heard the massive amounts of surgeries and injuries they have all experienced? Your at an age now you have to factor in some other health issues if you are looking at long term lifting and quality of life...
 
Theres always someone bigger faster stronger so who cares. Find satisfaction in your own effort and progresses.
 
I do squats with a bunch of different folks at the gym but i just started to step back and look at the cycles i've gone thru in the last few years and look at some friends that make me feel weak. They gotta be on something right. I've known them for ever and shit they are solid but look smaller thanme. My bench is 225 for 8-9 reps at 3-4 sets. My squats are 315 for 8-10. Is there something to be said for quality muscle and lifting w/o gear? and having quality muscle?

Yes, I weigh and 6' 125, squat 645; dead 900; and bowl with the Atlas stones.....seriously bro--genetics set the parameters of everything so the only one you compete with is looking at you in the mirror in the morning. Who care what other people can lift--I have a bro that can bench a house--but he has like freakishly short arms--all genetics.
 
Thanks fellas for the support. Like I was saying, I had a few in me when I posted. But it does help and it's nice to read what everyone said!
 
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