Alternative to deca

[njmuscleguy]

Hey folks...

Lookin' for some ideas for a winter (bulking cycle)... in the past, I've done the classic test, de-ca, and some oral (t bol or d bol)... de-ca has pretty much fallen out of my good graces... any gains I get are completely outshadowed by the constant bloat (hate the moonface!)... even A I's don't help much with this bloat. I'm pretty much sticking to tr-en and test cycles for the spring/summer.

Any suggestions for winter/bulk cycles, preferrably ones that you've tried and were successful.

Thanks!

 

[evilb]

do nandrolone pheylpropionate (durabolin) or trenbolone amazing gains no bloat

 

[njmuscleguy]

I've done N P P before... same bloat... same sides. I'm not sure that I'd give it a second chance. I'd definitely run tr-en & prop cycles in the future, but more likely in the spring & summer

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you don't like the bloat, what's the appeal? The impotence?

 

[xrsist]

eq...

 

[jeb0177]

eq also boats a bit

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

well for bulking I happen to love that PR.OP - N.P.P. stack ...but i didn't hear you mention WINSTROL ...which is something that I always stack with N.P.P. or TR.EN cycles ...for me the WINSTROL in these stacks are more of an ancillary (...and you don't have to run 50mg ED)

a few of questions NJ.....

1.) what were your doses for both traditional DE.CA & N.P.P.?
2.) what was your duration?
3.) have you ever stacked it with WINSTROL?

 

[OMEGA]

DECA is simply too important

200 mgs is ENOUGH a week,

NJ we both have talked about this before

just break up the doses to 100 mgs 2 times a week or better yet get Amps of 100 mgs

 

[perryscoon]

Why not just do a test/dbol/anavar cycle?


...and there's always primo.

 

[njmuscleguy]

If you don't like the bloat, what's the appeal? The impotence?

I can't imagine *anyone* liking that kind of bloat... honestly, my first few cycles included de-ca, and I was looking to get the size and strength gains proported by most people. Granted, I was a newb back then, but I didn't think the strength gains were stellar and the size wasn't the kind I was looking for... bloat isn't attractive and it doesn't showcase muscle... I'd always look better weeks after coming off a de-ca cycle.

 

[njmuscleguy]

well for bulking I happen to love that PR.OP - N.P.P. stack ...but i didn't hear you mention WINSTROL ...which is something that I always stack with N.P.P. or TR.EN cycles ...for me the WINSTROL in these stacks are more of an ancillary (...and you don't have to run 50mg ED)

a few of questions NJ.....

1.) what were your doses for both traditional DE.CA & N.P.P.?
2.) what was your duration?
3.) have you ever stacked it with WINSTROL?

1) I've run de-ca as low as 400mg/wk up to 600mg/wk. I've run NPP 100mg EOD and I've also run it at 200mg/wk, simply for it's joint-enhancing benefts.

2)My de-ca & N P P cycles have typically been 8 weeks (maybe 10 max)

3) I've never run win-strol before... been tempted, but concerned about the joint issues... my joints hate me to begin with.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is simply too important

200 mgs is ENOUGH a week,

NJ we both have talked about this before

just break up the doses to 100 mgs 2 times a week or better yet get Amps of 100 mgs

Yes we have... but even at 200mg/wk, I was experiencing libido issues and bloat. I'm not sure if the overall "gains" are worth it. I may try it at 200mg/wk again in the future...we'll see.

 

[perryscoon]

I can't imagine *anyone* liking that kind of bloat... honestly, my first few cycles included de-ca, and I was looking to get the size and strength gains proported by most people. Granted, I was a newb back then, but I didn't think the strength gains were stellar and the size wasn't the kind I was looking for... bloat isn't attractive and it doesn't showcase muscle... I'd always look better weeks after coming off a de-ca cycle.

I'm with you on this one bro. When I was a noob all I did was deca/sust/dbol cycles and ya, i got "bigger" but i looked like shit now that I look back on it. Not to mention the gyno and deca dick i got.

I will never do any drugs that bloat me ever again. fuck dbol, fuck deca. lean mass all the way.

oh and for all the young noobs out there, GIRLS DO NOT LIKE THE BIG BLOATED LOOK

 

[njmuscleguy]

Why not just do a test/Dianabol - methandrostenolone - /anavar cycle?


...and there's always Primobolan - methenolone - .

Test is a must in all of my cycles... I'm still on the fence with d bol... I've run it twice only... once at 25mg ED and once at 50mg ED... the 25mg was kind of mild, the 50mg was crazy with side effects. Maybe I'll find a middle-of-the-road dosage and see if it's worth it. Never tried var... I've tried t bol several times... very mild, but does what it's supposed to do.

I don't really know much about Primo except you have to run alot of it (which makes it $$$$) and the gains are pretty modest?

 

[sincere81oo0]

1) I've run de-ca as low as 400mg/wk up to 600mg/wk. I've run NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - 100mg EOD and I've also run it at 200mg/wk, simply for it's joint-enhancing benefts.

2)My de-ca & N P P cycles have typically been 8 weeks (maybe 10 max)

3) I've never run win-strol before... been tempted, but concerned about the joint issues... my joints hate me to begin with.

run winny with test and youll be fine..... why dont you try my next cycle??

test weeks 1-16
deca weeks 1-12
dbol weeks 1-4
winny weeks 11-16


get big then shred up!!

 

[Ingram]

Why not try Test/Deca/EQ/Proviron....

I find the proviron kills the low sex drive issue and gives you a harder look while on deca. Here's a pic of me 22 weeks out from nationals in full blown bulk mode, I never got fat or bloated once.

Test 750 / wk
Deca 400 /wk
EQ 500 / wk
Proviron 50mgs/ed
Arim 1mgs/ed

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Canadian_Abs/IMG_8678.jpg

-Ingram

 

[njmuscleguy]

run Winstrol - stanozolol with test and youll be fine..... why dont you try my next cycle??

test weeks 1-16
Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - weeks 1-12
Dianabol - methandrostenolone - weeks 1-4
Winstrol - stanozolol weeks 11-16


get big then shred up!!

What's the minimum amount of winstrol one can run to get it full cutting benefits while keeping the sides down?

I would never run 12 weeks of de-ca.... in fact, most of my cycles are 8-10 weeks... test and maybe E Q are the only things I would run for longer.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Why not try Test/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - /Proviron....

I find the proviron kills the low sex drive issue and gives you a harder look while on Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Here's a pic of me 22 weeks out from nationals in full blown bulk mode, I never got fat or bloated once.

Test 750 / wk
Deca 400 /wk
EQ 500 / wk
Proviron 50mgs/ed
Arim 1mgs/ed

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Canadian_Abs/IMG_8678.jpg

-Ingram

Man, that's exactly the shape I'm lookin' for... great job!

I've actually run proviron at 50mg ED throughout several de-ca and tr-en cycles.... it's helped with libido issues to an extent... didn't do a thing for the de-ca bloat... heck, even running aromasin at 12.5mg ED didn't help.

EQ and low-dose de-ca (200mg / wk) sounds interesting though... how did you lay out that cycle bro?

 

[perryscoon]

Why not try Test/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - /Proviron....

I find the proviron kills the low sex drive issue and gives you a harder look while on Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Here's a pic of me 22 weeks out from nationals in full blown bulk mode, I never got fat or bloated once.

Test 750 / wk
Deca 400 /wk
EQ 500 / wk
Proviron 50mgs/ed
Arim 1mgs/ed

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Canadian_Abs/IMG_8678.jpg

-Ingram

Wow, lookin awesome bro. Not puffy at all. I'm afraid to use prov due to the hair loss factors though.

 

[sincere81oo0]

What's the minimum amount of winstrol one can run to get it full cutting benefits while keeping the sides down?

I would never run 12 weeks of de-ca.... in fact, most of my cycles are 8-10 weeks... test and maybe E Q are the only things I would run for longer.

you can run 50/mg a day and be good to go.... i run deca for 12 weeks to getthe full affect as it takes 5 or so weeks to kick in fully. i wlays extend the test to help come off the deca easier.... and the dbol is a good kick start since i like using enathate which takes about 4 weeks to full kick in. th winny will help a great deal with shredding you and making you hard plus great strenght gains. taking it with test will help the joint side.

 

[Ingram]

Wow, lookin awesome bro. Not puffy at all. I'm afraid to use Proviron - mesterolone - due to the hair loss factors though.

Blah... If you hair is going to fall out, it's going to fall out... Juice will just speed it up a bit.

I'm not in this sport to have pretty hair.

-Ingram

 

[georgie24]

try stacking it with MASTERON!!!!!!!

trust me as an endomorph i find that N-P-P stacked with masteron is a wicked as combo!

 

[Ingram]

try stacking it with MASTERON!!!!!!!

trust me as an endomorph i find that N-P-P stacked with masteron is a wicked as combo!

I like the combo idea, Masterone is strong enough to keep your libido going. Maybe throw in a little IGF-1, now that's a stack!

I'm so going to do a quick cycle of that, thanks Georgie24...

-Ingram

 

[georgie24]

bro

keeep me posted!

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ingram, clear your messages bro...

The only time I ever had hair loss issues was when I ran tr-en, d bol and proviron... way too androgenic.... not sure which exactly was the culprit... but I think it was the d bol and proviron combined... I've run tr-en and test before and no hair issues... and proviron with de-ca and test and no hair issues.... watch out for the prostate too when mixing proviron with anything androgenic.

 

[Ingram]

Ingram, clear your messages bro...

Just did, thing clogs up fast...

I guess that's what I get for being a cheap ass non-plat, lol

 

[njmuscleguy]

try stacking it with MASTERON!!!!!!!

trust me as an endomorph i find that N-P-P stacked with masteron is a wicked as combo!

I haven't used Masteron before, but from what I understand, it's a drug best used it body-fat is low(er)...I guess we're assuming that N P P doesn't make you bloated (though it did for me).... if you're all bloated out from the de-ca or N P P, what benefit with masteron have (other than helping with libido?)

 

[Nelson Montana]

I can't imagine *anyone* liking that kind of bloat... honestly, my first few cycles included de-ca, and I was looking to get the size and strength gains proported by most people. Granted, I was a newb back then, but I didn't think the strength gains were stellar and the size wasn't the kind I was looking for... bloat isn't attractive and it doesn't showcase muscle... I'd always look better weeks after coming off a de-ca cycle.

My point was, if you didn't like the results why are you looking for a "substitute"? There are plenty of other AAS bro.

 

[georgie24]

I haven't used Masteron before, but from what I understand, it's a drug best used it body-fat is low(er)...I guess we're assuming that N P P doesn't make you bloated (though it did for me).... if you're all bloated out from the de-ca or N P P, what benefit with masteron have (other than helping with libido?)

dry gains for enomorphs on strict diet and yes no bloat so you look awsome ALL the time.

 

[njmuscleguy]

My point was, if you didn't like the results why are you looking for a "substitute"? There are plenty of other anabolic androgenic steroids bro.

I guess I'm looking for something that could be used in a "bulker" which would do what de-ca should do in theory...I want to get the size that de-ca is proported to give.... heck, is it even possible to bulk up and not be bloated? I don't gain much size from tr-en for example... just harder mass and vascularity... I guess EQ would be a slower, more subtle way of achieving what de-ca would give?

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

I haven't used Masteron before, but from what I understand, it's a drug best used it body-fat is low(er)...I guess we're assuming that N P P doesn't make you bloated (though it did for me).... if you're all bloated out from the de-ca or N P P, what benefit with masteron have (other than helping with libido?)

this is basically what I was getting at with my earlier post ...a good stack is supposed to work synergistically ...Masteron does give a hard dry look if your BF is low BUT guess what it also works great as an ANTI-E

I run N.P.P. with WINSTROL for the way it counters Prog sides among other things

I limit my N.P.P. to no more than 6 weeks and I don't ever run more than 300mg/wk (usually 200mg/wk) ...I run 20mg/ED of WINSTROL with it and it's works perfectly for me (you don't NEED to run 50mg/ED in this case)

before I say anything else lemme say fuck tradional DE.CA ...go N.P.P. all the way

IMO ...I think if you ran the first 6wks with N.P.P. at no more that 300mg/wk and you added 20-30mg of WINSTROL ED & 50mg/ PR.OV ED (of course run your TE.ST for that period & beyond) I think you might be surprised and happy ...now if you want a nice alternative to D.BAL to even further jumpstart your bulking cycle try T-SU.SPEN ...but don't forget an A.I.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Sounds like some good food for thought good sun... I think I might actually give that a cycle a whirl... I suppose an 8-week cycle of N P P, winny and test couldn't hurt. Thanks!

And thanks to everyone else so far for the suggestions!