Alright ladies.....help a guy out

[joeyz123]

I have been on the mens board and posted something like this a few months ago, but Im curious what your input is. My girl is very dedicated to working out. She runs 3-4 days a week and lifts mainly on a bowflex, but is starting to go to the gym with me now and lift more free weight. My question: I have read through the board and the sticky at the top, and also tried to research AS usage in women, and Ive had her read the sticky. What is the best cutting and toning stack as well as dosage to use for a female who works out hard and does alot of cardio, but is inhibited by genetics? She weighs around 145lbs and Im not sure about body fat %. I know what AS's work for me, but women are different. She builds muscle very easily, so I need something that will basically cut fat and tone. I have winny and clen on-hand right now but wanted to ask you ladies for your opinion prior to her doing this.

thanks for your help

 

[diamonddiceclay]

winny,clen,anavar are probably the 3 best to choose from-clen will burn a bit of muscle however

 

[joeyz123]

Warlobo

Her diet is actually very good, she eats alot of skinless chicken, tuna, ect... and she does alot of cardio as far as running, she loves to run, but like lots of people she just needs a little extra help from something. What would you recommend as far as toning and cutting AS and also maybee you could possibly point me to a good workout program for her to try?????????????

thanks for your help

 

[joeyz123]

BUMP

 

[VooDoo Lady]

I have read over and over again here in this forum that running is catabolic and encourages ones body to retain fat. I used to run about 25-30 miles a week - but I hit a plateau and it wasn't until I stopped running that I started to drop more weight.

So, again, my personal experience has been that cutting out the running and doing a more low to moderate aerobic activity did the trick.

VDL

 

[BrickGirl]

#1 AS do not cut you up
#2 you can't tone fat
#3 you don't need a stack

Her diet is the #1 thing that will "cut her up" but if she doesn't have enough muscle, what is there to cut up? If she just wants to lose some bodyfat, AS is not the way to go. If that is all she wants is to tone up and lose some bodyfat, fix her diet, her wight lifting routine and she probably won't need much cardio at all. Whenever she does hit a plateu after a while, then she might try an E/C/A stack then once she plateu's on that, try some clen. But before any of that will work, get her diet fixed first, then fix her weight lifting and that will do most of the work. Just my opionion of course

 

[Phemomena]

#2 you can't tone fat

damn straight.... you can say that again...

hehe...

 

[BrickGirl]

 

[new@gettinbig]

Doing tons of running is not going to work for your girl..it is catabolic!!! Lifting heavy and doing some HIIT training or an hour of cardio in the AM on an empty stomach...AS preserves muscle..doesnt cut it..that is done through training and proper diet!!

 

[Sassy69]

If she is just starting with the free weights she hasn't even tapped her potential, genetically limited or not. There is so much that she can accomplish without heading into AS. She'll get better, longer lasting results by the slow, stead approach - consistent heavy lifting, cardio & diet. With Diet being the first. Another note about AS -- it seems like the "quick fix", but for the cost and impact to her system & potential sides, she still needs to have the diet, cardio & lifting down first to get the best results.

Also before she starts feeling bummed about being told to cut back on cardio, perhaps she should consider her goals first and what she wants to do to achieve them -- lifting will definitely get her tighter - and no, she doesn't have to worry about bulking. Cardio will impact her ability to get "hard" because of its catabolic effects. And both require clean eating to get the best results - lower bodyfat, etc. Some of it seems counter intuitive, but that is probably the best approach before diving into AS.

 

[joeyz123]

I have searched for a good workout that focuses mainly on the toning aspect since I posted this and have came up with varying opinions on the amount of sets and reps that are effective for her goals. Do you ladies have any sites/info/advice,ect...... that I could use to find her the right program for toning and losing body fat, not really to build?

Thanks

You ladies have been really helpful

 

[BrickGirl]

I don't think you have read. because you have missed the whole point She has to have something to "tone" first off Why would an individual not want to "build" muscle? That is crazyness If she is wanting to be anorexic or something but if she wants to be a healthy person, then she will need something to tone down, so she will need some muscle If she honestly thinks she is going to get big, she is mistaken, its very hard for a girl to put on muscle without a lot of work, dieting, and supplements. Warlobo has posted a workout plan for girls just starting out, that is a real basic routine, with basic movements, something she needs to start on. If she thinks she is going to get big, tell her she is just freaking nuts

 

[BrickGirl]

And another thing, and some people might disagree with me, in which case is fine and dandy, but my workout doesnt change from bulking up to leaning down, diet takes care of that. I went from 123 to 150 and am going from 150 down to 120, on the exact same workout routine. Of course at 120 I would be at around 4% body fat hopefully, just depends on how my body reacts, but the workout doesnt change one bit, same number of sets and reps and same exercise, of course I change it up on occasion to shock the muscles after a couple months of the same thing, but the base stays the same.

 

[KEL]

Brickgirl sums it up for you! See the above 2 posts!

tone = four letter word around here (IMO)

your gf can lift heavy and maintain a very healthy lean body

good luck

 

[BrickGirl]

And another thing To everyone that has private messaged me asking about my "diet" I will post it here, I hope you all look that wanted to know

7:00am 1/2 cup Dry Oatmeal
1 protein shake

10:00am 1 chicken breast
1/2 potato

1:00pm 1 chicken breast
1/2 cup plain rice

4:00pm 4oz Sirloin
1/2 potato

7:00pm 1/2 cup rice
1 Protein Shake

all weight of food is precooked weight.
I hope this helps, have fun
This is not the type of diet your friend needs to be on, its kinda tailored to my final weight and will change drastically over the next 5 months, this is just my starting point on the pre contest diet.

 

[Inkman69]

Brickgirl the diet looks good. How many total cals are you doing there and what is the break down please. L2L

 

[BrickGirl]

Gosh! Picky arn't ya Well, let's see

7:00am 1/2 cup Dry Oatmeal 65cal,2.5p,11.5car,1f
1 protein shake 90cal,18.5p,2car,0f

10:00am 1 chicken breast 310cal,54p,0car,10f
1/2 potato 72cal,2p,17car,0f

1:00pm 1 chicken breast 310cal,54p,0car,10f
1/2 cup plain rice 125cal,3p,20car,0f

4:00pm 4oz Sirloin 230cal,36p,0car,8f
1/2 potato 72cal,2p,17car,0f

7:00pm 1/2 cup rice 125cal,3p,20car,0f
1 Protein Shake 90cal,18.5p,2car,0f

lets see, that looks like 193.5grams protein, 89.5grams carbs, and 29grams of fat Keep the questions coming!

 

[joeyz123]

You see, the reason I say that she wants to try to tone without building is because she already is is big in a muscular sense. Her arm and calvs are almost as big as mine, and to me it seemed that she eats very well. Thats why I figured that with some help from a good program and AS she might be able to loose some of the fat that she cant loose with her workout. As far as the cardio what is your recommendation on what she should do. I always thought that running was a good cardio and now I have people telling me differently. Also what rep range on free weights do you recommend?

Thanks for the help

 

[BrickGirl]

AS will not help her with fat loss. I personally do around 4 sets of 6-12 reps per exercise, 12 reps warming up, down to 6 reps with as heavy as I can go and get 6 reps, usually last one is a total failure one. Cardio, I teach spinning classes, so I have to try to keep my cardio down, it depends on what her base line cardio is now, and then move it up a small notch, or if she is already doing a lot of cardio, have her completely take it out for 6-8 weeks, she will lose weight just doing that alone. Of course, all in my opionion. See ya