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Alpha-lipoic acid...Liver protectant #1...

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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Found a nice little abstract on the benefits of this multi-functional compound that I thought you guys might find worth reading.ALA is an often overlooked nutritional aid that has some unique capabilities-The ability to REVERSE liver cell damage,potent anti-oxidative activity,and the ability to improve response to insulin more favorably.Folks using orals/and or bulking may want to start implementing this agent into their regimens,as it will help keep the excess spillover of carbs you're consuming from beind stored as lipids...Enjoy:)

Alpha-lipoic acid in liver metabolism and disease.
Bustamante J, Lodge JK, Marcocci L, Tritschler HJ, Packer L, Rihn BH
Free Radic Biol Med 1998 Apr 24:1023-39

Abstract
R-alpha-Lipoic acid is found naturally occurring as a prosthetic group in alpha-keto acid dehydrogenase complexes of the mitochondria, and as such plays a fundamental role in metabolism. Although this has been known for decades, only recently has free supplemented alpha-lipoic acid been found to affect cellular metabolic processes in vitro, as it has the ability to alter the redox status of cells and interact with thiols and other antioxidants. Therefore, it appears that this compound has important therapeutic potential in conditions where oxidative stress is involved. Early case studies with alpha-lipoic acid were performed with little knowledge of the action of alpha-lipoic acid at a cellular level, but with the rationale that because the naturally occurring protein bound form of alpha-lipoic acid has a pivotal role in metabolism, that supplementation may have some beneficial effect. Such studies sought to evaluate the effect of supplemented alpha-lipoic acid, using low doses, on lipid or carbohydrate metabolism, but little or no effect was observed. A common response in these trials was an increase in glucose uptake, but increased plasma levels of pyruvate and lactate were also observed, suggesting that an inhibitory effect on the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex was occurring. During the same period, alpha-lipoic acid was also used as a therapeutic agent in a number of conditions relating to liver disease, including alcohol-induced damage, mushroom poisoning, metal intoxification, and CCl4 poisoning. Alpha-Lipoic acid supplementation was successful in the treatment for these conditions in many cases. Experimental studies and clinical trials in the last 5 years using high doses of alpha-lipoic acid (600 mg in humans) have provided new and consistent evidence for the therapeutic role of antioxidant alpha-lipoic acid in the treatment of insulin resistance and diabetic polyneuropathy. This new insight should encourage clinicians to use alpha-lipoic acid in diseases affecting liver in which oxidative stress is involved.
 
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Can you recommend a good place to buy this stuff?

Any Canadian bros know a domestic retailer that has it cheap?
 
Hey Huck, is this abstract dealing with its use in human or rats? I have not been able to find much on this regard done with humans. Most of what I have seen has been done in rats. Of course, this doesn't single it out. If you have any done in humans, could you please post them? I have a couple of abstracts that I will put up later tonight that deal with ALA. There are a couple promising abstracts showing that its effectiveness increased when take with GLA in rats. FONZ has posted the same in regards to its effectiveness in regenerating liver damage, but I do not know if these were done in humans or rats. The weeney (lol) never replies when I ask him.:D What are your thoughts on adding GLA to the mix? Great post man! THANKS!

BMJ
 
gtaman said:
Can you recommend a good place to buy this stuff?

Any Canadian bros know a domestic retailer that has it cheap?

The cheapest I have seen it at a store would be $20 for 90 100mg caps. It's by Interactive Nutrition(Cdn Company). Prolab's AlA sells for $20 for only 60 100mg caps.
 
hehe Huck

and you guys in the States get all the benefit out of it. Cheap (cheaper then for us Europeans), easy to get (try to get a decent liver aid from the states to Europe) without problems. But then again for us it is easier to get roids without getting seized.....
 
MR. BMJ said:
Hey Huck, is this abstract dealing with its use in human or rats? I have not been able to find much on this regard done with humans. Most of what I have seen has been done in rats. Of course, this doesn't single it out. If you have any done in humans, could you please post them? I have a couple of abstracts that I will put up later tonight that deal with ALA. There are a couple promising abstracts showing that its effectiveness increased when take with GLA in rats. FONZ has posted the same in regards to its effectiveness in regenerating liver damage, but I do not know if these were done in humans or rats. The weeney (lol) never replies when I ask him.:D What are your thoughts on adding GLA to the mix? Great post man! THANKS!

BMJ

Well it makes reference to 600mgs/day in HUMANS,so I'm assuming this is a human-based research abstract...Are you referring to Glutathione or Glutamic acid?Either Glutamine or Glutathione would be very beneficial as an addition to ALA hepatic repairative capabilities.
 
I wouldn't run out and buy enough ALA to use mega-doses just yet. There are sides to your intestines using that much and it could do more harm than good at 600mg/day. The people they did the study on had liver damage and little to lose by using those doses. Those doses are not recommended for a health person.

WWW.ANABOLICFITNESS.NET
 
ulter said:
I wouldn't run out and buy enough ALA to use mega-doses just yet. There are sides to your intestines using that much and it could do more harm than good at 600mg/day. The people they did the study on had liver damage and little to lose by using those doses. Those doses are not recommended for a health person.

WWW.ANABOLICFITNESS.NET


how much would you recommend since my kilosports order just showed up today?
 
Ulter, 100mg BID?????

That won't do a thing.

And I highly doubt ALA will give you an ulcer.

600mg for liver aid and 2000mg for glucose
disposal. Those are my recommendations.
On a bulk phase, 2000mg ALA/day does WONDERS
for decreasing any fat gain.

And again, ALA raises glutathione levels by 50-70%
all by itself.

Mr. BMJ...LOL The ALA+GLA mix actually gives the user
better glucose disposal than ALA alone.(Something
like 7-8% better)

AND, ALA increases OXYGEN transport to the heart,
something that is VERY beneficial for AAS
users.

And when I get around to it I'll post my studies.
Be patient or go search Medline for 100+hours.... :)

Fonz
 
Yeah fonz good idea tell them to take 2gr a day. Ten times the recommend daily dose. Just like telling people you take 200mg/day of oxandrolone or you used 150mg/day of dbol for 6 months. You know at some point Fonz your lies are not passive anymore. They are destructive. You talk about ALA like you've discovered the cure for liver disease at medline and the rest of the entire medical community missed it. There have been some postiive results but there were also side effects from high doses and you seem to be the only one who misses that.
 
ulter said:
Yeah fonz good idea tell them to take 2gr a day. Ten times the recommend daily dose. Just like telling people you take 200mg/day of oxandrolone or you used 150mg/day of dbol for 6 months. You know at some point Fonz your lies are not passive anymore. They are destructive. You talk about ALA like you've discovered the cure for liver disease at medline and the rest of the entire medical community missed it. There have been some postiive results but there were also side effects from high doses and you seem to be the only one who misses that.

Ulter, this habit of yours of thinking "My way is the only
way" is actually funny after a time.

Again, you purposely EXAGERRATE matters.

I have NEVER EVER said I took 150mg dball for
6 months.
150mg Ox/day for 2 weeks...yep.
1g deca/week for 2 weeks....Yep
Fina for 24 weeks....yep

Notice the trend...........ONE AAS PER CYCLE.
MASSIVE difference between side-effects of
one AS and those of 3-4 combined.

I am calling you out. Please post the post were
I said I took 150mg dball for 6 months or SHUT UP.

If you can't post that post, then you're a LYING
PIECE OF SHIT.

That simple.

Its one thing to argue, but its another to slander
someone.

If you want me to rip you to shreds regarding ALA,
please feel free to post a reply because it will
make my day.

Fonz
 
I made this a sticky Ulter.

You're not weaseling out this time.

POST THE THREAD WHERE I SAID I TOOK 150mg/day
OF DBALL FOR 6 MONTHS!!!!!!

If you don't do it, you're a LIAR plain and simple.

No MOD delete this, I want people to see the bullshit
Ulter posts.

Fonz
 
METHYL MIKE said:
Ulter and Fonz-bickers between vets like this accomplish nothing but make you both seem childish. Put it to rest.

I agree. However I have the right to defend myself
if someone accuses me of something.
The sad part is Ulter made it up.

Fonz
 
That may be true, but you both have been at each others' throats for some time. What's going on now has been long in the making, and I for one would like to see you both come to some sort of agreement over the matter, and to put your other issues between you both to rest, either here or on email. I think you BOTH need to sit back, remember who you are, where you are, and what you're BOTH saying, it's getting out of hand!! PLEASE!
 
ulter said:
Fonz take a deep breath and re read my post I said "I embellished your lie"
Thanks MM but he really needs to get this out of his system and I really don't feel as though I am being childish.

True Ult, but I wish you could both get over this crap, you guys don't seem to like each other, and it's finally really surfacing, but I ask you this Ult: How long would this thread have lasted on AF? Not long, huh? Wonder why...Probably because it's going nowhere and doesnt prove anything! Bottom line is you both are very knowledgable and both have been around a long time, and you both must be truly respected, BUT what you're doing now is just cat-calling each other, I mean come on Ult, I've never in my life seen you post "You pile it so high I thought I could see it from here" And then fonz puts "Im making this a sticky so you can't weasel out of it" Come on! Now reading up a bit, you recommend 100 mg ED? That seems really low Ult, I used 900mgs ed not too long ago, with no problems. Not much results either, but no problems to be sure. Now I would say 2000 mgs ed is pushing it, at that dose, whats the point? I cant see that high a dose, thats like people saying pros use 42 ius of gh ed. COme on, how would you arrive at that EXACT number? THere is a point with everything, be it drug or supp, where more just doesnt do anything. I'd say 1200 mgs ed would be good, but I don't have any medical reports or studies to prove it, just a number ive arrived at by following peoples responses ty ala over the past year or two. And fonz, can you provide proof or evidence of some kind that 2000 is not only effective, but tolerable? Once again, this isnt the first time you guys have gone at it, can't we all just get along?
 
back it up w/ something. That's the only way I see you can end this.

Personally i've been taking close to 1g/day EOD. I love ALA, found no sides w/ it and have been on it for a while now.
 
I just got my ALA from www.nutriteam.com - It's a little more expensive than at kilosports (not much) but it comes in 300mg capsules. I've been taking 600-900g/day with no problems except some horrendous smelling piss.
 
Thanks Huck...actually, it was studies where ALA was administered with gamma-linolenic acid (GLA).

Ulter, the only studies I have seen where ALA resulted in intestinal problems has been when it's administered intravenously. When you speak of these problems, are you just talking about upset stomach, nausea, and vomiting? I haven't seen any studies where this has occured with oral administration. If you have studies showing the opposite, or with oral administration, I would be interested.

As for oral administrations, I have studies showing that it has been helpful in treating both diabetes and peripheral neuropathy using doses of 1200mg daily and 600mg's 3 X's daily with no adverse effects. There is also a study using 800mg daily for cardiac autonomic neuropathy in patients with type II diabetes with no adverse reactions. No signs of intestinal problems were mentioned that I know of.

Personally, I have been taking ALA doses consistently for the last year (at least...more like 1-1/2) at doses of 1200mg's per day with no intestinal problems whatsoever, at least no signs of nausea, or vomiting or ulcers, etc... As for people with these problems, YES, they should either decrease or stop its usage as common sense would intend. Until I get a clear comment on what kind(s) of intestinal problems you are talking about, then it is really hard to justify a correct view.

FONZ...i'll be patient and keep on looking for those "human" studies, but you have to promise me that when you get time, that you will post them or e-mail them to me...alrighty? Next time try and write down or copy that abstract/study for future references...don't know why you didn't do that to begin with guy. Thanks though.

MR. BMJ
 
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Re: hehe Huck

Jeff_rys said:
and you guys in the States get all the benefit out of it. Cheap (cheaper then for us Europeans), easy to get (try to get a decent liver aid from the states to Europe) without problems. But then again for us it is easier to get roids without getting seized.....

Yeah, and that's a good trade-off, isn't it? :D
 
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