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all, why not d-bol first?
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pudding
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Its interesting that you say this. See attached thread. Also while on dbol subject could someone quickly respond to how long it takes to actually start feeling the effects once started. Aproxnydj66 said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380388
Steve The Bluesman
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wls8687 said:
That is what I am doing right now. Sort of. (7 weeks - Dbol/Proviron/finish with 2 weeks of Winny - then PCT 2 weeks of Nolva).
I am not looking for miracles, just 8-10 lbs of LBM. Eat, sleep and train hard...
If all goes well, then it will be on to bigger and better things the next time.
Bluesman
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Where did you hear that D-bol does not supress natural production of Test?
I will shut down natty production...I can garuntee you of that...I will not hunt down any kind of study to show you because I don't know where to look...But You try 25mg per day for 4 weeks without any PCT and see what happens to your gains and libido.
What do you think the purpose of PCT is for...It is to get you Natural production back as quickly as possible, that being said, have you ever seen anyone on this forum recommend a D-bol only cycle without PCT?
slat1
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If you spread it out it definately shuts you down all the way. If you take it an hour before the gym it greatly reduces you natural production but does not completely shut you down. If you take 10mgs or less upon waking it is supposed to have minimal effect on natural production.
That said.. I would still used HCG and Clomid!!
That said.. I would still used HCG and Clomid!!
Goldprospector said:
Bro, his argument is not that it dose not suppress your nat. test production or that pct is not needed but rather that it does not suppress you nat test production as much as reg test injectable would b/c of dosages. As far as having the facts to back this statement up he would have to provide you ith that.. I have never run across this.
Steve The Bluesman
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badslinky said:
I recall reading an article by Big Cat on BB.com that indicated when Dbol only was taken in the morning, it would clear your system enough to allow the body to produce its own natural test while you sleep.
I too am running 2 weeks of Nolva -- I wouldn't chance being shut down.
Bluesman
blut wump
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You almost certainly will get shut down during the cycle; even a ph cycle will shut you down over three or four weeks. The body isn't going to waste resources producing test when you're giving it more than enough exogenous test. The nolva, if you are using it during the cycle is to protect you from estrogen side effects. Nolva during pct is part of the process to induce your endogenous test to come back online. Take a good read through the pct forum. 2 weeks on nolva seems a little short on your seven to eight week cycle. Maybe your morning-dosing will make a big difference. I look forward to your updates.Steve The Bluesman said:
wls8687
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Like said, Of course i don't say dianabol doesen't supress you'r natural testosterone production, but lesser then regular test as prop,suspension enth and so due to shorter cycles and lower dosages..
And yes ive actually seen some one one this forum recommend Dianabol oral cycle only without PCT, if you read closely in this thread you can acctually see some fragments including 10mg if you get my point..
I would consider giving a newbie dianabol as a starter cycle instead of letting them shoot themself with needles and everything..
And yes ive actually seen some one one this forum recommend Dianabol oral cycle only without PCT, if you read closely in this thread you can acctually see some fragments including 10mg if you get my point..
I would consider giving a newbie dianabol as a starter cycle instead of letting them shoot themself with needles and everything..
pudding said:
Everyone responds differently to AAS...some seem to feel immediate effects (probably at least partially psychological) others take longer. It took me a couple days before I started noticing the pumps I got from d-bol. The pumps were what I noticed first. It took a couple weeks before I started getting sides (e.g., back cramps, leg/hand muscle spasms).
Hope this helps.
btw: I started out on a low dose (15mg ED) & increased it from there (40mg ED)
MASSIVE1000
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I love Dbol...used it on my first cycle with enanthate. I am currently doing 40mgs ed and getting ready to go up to 50ed. I love it! As far as shutting you down, who cares, just make sure you use proper pct....I usually do not see any major strength and size gains until after week # 3.
fugetaboutit
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There's no such thing as "will it shut you down as hard as...". I think the point people are trying get across here is that shut down is SHUT DOWN. There's no little less shut down from d-bol than there is from test. I don't know who ever made that statement. It's like saying someone is a little pregnant. No, either they're pregnant or they're not. Now, what you guys are confusing is HOW MUCH d-bol does it take to shut you down. Well, as it was stated , 10mg in the am MAY not shut down your natural test production. That means there isn't enough of the drug in your body to tell your nuts to stop producing test on their own. HOWEVER, 10mg a day won't get you shit. I would assume that anyone taking d-bol would like to see all the glory that it brings , so 10mg isn't going to cut it. Anything slightly above that will probably shut you down. As for 25-30 mg's or more and you will be shut down very quickly. Hope this clears up any confusion.badslinky said:
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