All Vets-mods-gurus Please Read

[gonnagrow23]

I have been studing about AS for a time now. First let me give my stats. I am 6'1", 185lbs, 14% BF. I have been lifting for 3 years. I have heard many theories on AS. I just want some scientific reason or backing of this because I hear so many diffrent things. I think this board has alot of knowledgable people on here and would like your anwsers. I want to do a cycle and bulk as much as possible. I think I want to go with a SUST/EQ for my first cycle. Now I see that you all say around 500mg of SUST and 400mg of EQ a week for 10 weeks is pretty good. Now the question I ask is, do you really need that much on your first cycle? I talk to guys at the gym that do AS and are huge. They tell me no way. Just stick with SUST at 500mg because that is too much on your first cycle. Now what is too much? If you go over a certain amount is the AS just waisted? Does your body not use it and it is just flushed out? If so, is there a certain MG per pounds that should be taken? Do your receptors not except it over a certain amount? Also say you took SUST and EQ. Would they use diffrent receptors or the same ones? I wonder this because say you would gain 25 pounds off a SUST/EQ cycle. If you did two seperate cycles and would gain 20 pounds off the SUST cycle and 10 pounds off the EQ cycle you would have 30 pounds. It would just take more time and patients. Would this be easier on the body to do two seperate cycle? I just wonder this because I see guys at the gym doing there first cycle. Some are on big cycles and some on one shot of SUST a week. It seems there is no big diffrence in what any of them are gaining. Sorry if I asked alot of questions. It is just that I love to learn more about this stuff. I want to learn all I can before I do anything. I have seen alot of guys on here that seem like they know their shit. So please all vets-mods-gurus please tell me as much information as possible.

 

[gonnagrow23]

Come on. Certainly all of the people that give out these cycles have some knowledge of this. I think it would be good for all of the novices to know this kind of information. Lets us know what is really going on inside the body.

 

[Stew Meat]

As I scanned through your post, I found that you had about 15 question marks...

You will get much better responses if you'd just ask your questions. Ask one or maybe two questions and I'll be more than happy to answer them.



In the presence of high concentrations of androgens, androgen receptors will upregulate and increase in concentration in an attempt to accomidate them. However, this upregulation will not be rationally compensated meaning that increasing testosterone by 100% may not mean that receptors will increase by 100%. Above 1000mg of androgen per week, large amounts of androgen are "wasted" due to lack of accomidating receptors. As the esters are broken away and the bound testosterone is allowed to freely circulate, all testosterone that does not bind to AR is metabolised by the liver. This puts a great strain on the liver and other body tissues. Testosterone has a cholesterol backbone. Too much in circulation will raise blood pressure and can potentially cause a host of other problems.

For a first cycle, I would not recomend Test/EQ. My recomendation if you are 200-225lbs would be 500mg of test enthanate/wk for 8 weeks, 200mg of primobolan for 10 weeks, and 300mg of deca/wk for 7 weeks.
I would start clen/eca when I began clomid/hcg therapy 2 weeks after last enthanate injection.



-Stew

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

I'd try to get something other than Sust to stack with your EQ. I don't like Sust.

Quote from Stew_Meat

This board is for education. If I could present only one contribution to newbies, it would be to discourage the use of omna or sustonon and to let them know that 4 testosteone esters is not a "stack" and there aren't different receptors for different "types" of testosterone. Each of these esters is bound to the exact same testosterone molecule. One ester is not better than another, but each has its own life span. As long as the testosterone is bound to an ester, it is inactive. Omna and Sust have long esters and short esters. This causes a large fluncuation in hormone levels between injection times and from the begining of the cycle toward the end. Sust and Omna are bad ideas and are mere marketing techniques to target newbies or those who don't know what an ester is.

 

[gonnagrow23]

Stew Meat. That is the kind of anwsers I am looking for. So around 1000mg is the max the receptors can handle.
Any more good scientific knowledge would be great. I have searched sites for this kind of stuff but it all seems like they dont have it. Just the basic questions. It seems like all the websites have these cycle they suggest and for the first cycle they are all small. Then you go to that sites message board and everyone is suggesting some huge cycle. I am not saying anyone is wrong. I just want to know why. What you say sounds very logical. Anybody else. What do you suggest to stack with the EQ?

 

[Stew Meat]

There is no limiting factor... dossages of over 1000mg of androgen per week become a waste of money and will magnify side effects. For instance, 1000mg/wk will yeild signifigantly better results than 500mg/wk, but you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference in results of 1000mg per week and 1500mg per week.

I made a cycle suggestion in the above post.




-Stew

 

[gonnagrow23]

Damn. I just read the post on SUST that you have been writing in. Good information.

 

[Yellowbomber]

good post steaw

 

[bigmarco]

Good advice stew.

Don't blow your first cycle. You will get the best gains, so do it right.

I agree with Stew, but would use 500mg enanthate every 5 days, with 400mg of deca. I like the switch to Primo to help solidify the gains and not interfere with HPTA.

The only other change I would incorporate is d-bol at 20-30 mg a day for the first 3 weeks. This is a good kick off.

Good luck

 

[tbro]