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I know google is really complicated, so here's a link
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wantagh+aikido&btnG=Google+Search
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MikeMartial
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Best bet, actual, is looking through your local phone book/yellow pages.
A lot of schools don't have websites.
A lot of schools don't have websites.
majutsu
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why not just smoke pot and rub your clit at home?; it would be about the same utility as an aikido class (hippies+stress release+no defense value)
If you want the poetry of motion, aikido is great fun. And guys you meet there are more likely to go to outdoor concerts and like more oral sex and position variety.
But if you want to kick someone's ass, do brazilian jiujitsu.
I know I may catch flames for this post. But this is an informed opinion. Having studied aikido under Lynn Fabia Sensei (Tx) and brazilian jiujitsu under machado. I also work in a maximum security facility for the violent, and that bullshit about aikido being good for police or security work is precisely that -- bullshit. Powerlifting and BJJ will squelch shit quick . . . believe me, sister.
Read the Tao te Ching, take BJJ and skip the aikido class. My 2c.
If you want the poetry of motion, aikido is great fun. And guys you meet there are more likely to go to outdoor concerts and like more oral sex and position variety.
But if you want to kick someone's ass, do brazilian jiujitsu.
I know I may catch flames for this post. But this is an informed opinion. Having studied aikido under Lynn Fabia Sensei (Tx) and brazilian jiujitsu under machado. I also work in a maximum security facility for the violent, and that bullshit about aikido being good for police or security work is precisely that -- bullshit. Powerlifting and BJJ will squelch shit quick . . . believe me, sister.
Read the Tao te Ching, take BJJ and skip the aikido class. My 2c.
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shamrock11
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OMG Man akido is a good art. Dam when is every one going to get of the bjj nut sack
MikeMartial
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majutsu said:
I WAS going to drop a bomb on 'ya after I read the first line. But, you speak from experience, and experience speaks volumes. K to you.
majutsu
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In general, I believe what I said, but particularly for a woman. Think about it-- the most likely dangerous situation a woman is to face is a rape attempt. A 200lb man will destroy a woman in a striking contest, and forcing her down the ground is child's play. And then where is the rapist now? Right between the legs unaware . . . right where the BJJ practictioner can unload unholy and lethal damage! 
Right where most other arts stop their technique instruction.
Right where most other arts stop their technique instruction.
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Ripped2Shredds
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oh wow, I didnt know they still did akido, lol, that is by far so lame, I don't want to drench anyone for what they beleive in, but if you want personal defense, try kick boxing+BJJ. Or if you want to start some shit try muay thai, throw in some knees and elbows and then you are devastation. As someone who trained russian sambo for 8 years under Slava Axenov (STL) and wrestled for 15 years, kick boxing for 5 years, i can gaurentee your self that aikido is a wast eof your time, it is a bunch of weak dance steps basically, i watch their practices for 2 weeks here at school, beacsue they have no BJJ, so i thought id give it a try. It looks as if it is motion oreinted, meaning, throwing someone what way they are coming at you. Physics doesn't allow that, if someone trys to throw a running wrist lock launch, i will automatically throw a right cross to the throat, then knee the ribs and head on the way down, thats how you win in self defense, in Aikido, may I ask what you do after you throw them on the ground? RUN? Bruce Lee used to publicy diss aikido, look at his films, the one where he fights Kareem. Peace
majutsu
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lol djimbe. Machado is a most impressive instructor! He was fabulous indeed.
And yes Lynn is a mcsensei. But I've never met an akidoka that wasn't . . .
The main ingredient of what makes BJJ so "awesome" is NOT grappling. Grappling is fucking judo. It's all there in judo. Some of the best ground work I've ever seen comes from advanced judoka! The main ingredient was vale tudo. By submitting their studies to the living laboratory of harm-restricted combat, they could practice and automatize their moves. They showed that a non-lethal move expertly available was worth more than a fantastic "death move" (like in some kung-fu) never practiced. And how could you practice a death move with your friends . . . ? You won't have many friends. Martial arts entered the scientific age, with theories capable of being subjected to repeated experimentation. Just like in the history of the 16th century, once you have science you have a renaissance, an explosion of knowledge, activity and prosperity.
And yes Lynn is a mcsensei. But I've never met an akidoka that wasn't . . .
The main ingredient of what makes BJJ so "awesome" is NOT grappling. Grappling is fucking judo. It's all there in judo. Some of the best ground work I've ever seen comes from advanced judoka! The main ingredient was vale tudo. By submitting their studies to the living laboratory of harm-restricted combat, they could practice and automatize their moves. They showed that a non-lethal move expertly available was worth more than a fantastic "death move" (like in some kung-fu) never practiced. And how could you practice a death move with your friends . . . ? You won't have many friends. Martial arts entered the scientific age, with theories capable of being subjected to repeated experimentation. Just like in the history of the 16th century, once you have science you have a renaissance, an explosion of knowledge, activity and prosperity.
Djimbe
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majutsu said:
Now , before you get me wrong ive metFAR too many that WERE , but I know aikidoka that Lift Weights, and Run Laps , and wil do ther Damnedest to rip your arms (or head) Right off of you . They Tain that way , and they leave their schools with Bruises every day .
Umm , excuse me ? Where in the BJJ schjools that I have been to is this Vale Tudo ? I have been criticised for working Small Joints , Throwing strikes - hell , once Ias called "Foul" upon for simply HOLDING THE THUMBS of an Opponent in a guard Passng Drill .
I would like you to break down the above for me , please explain what "Harm-Restricted Combat" is , and how it differs from San Shou training in its Efficacy in creating a Fighter . And please show how BJJ SCHOOS - not MMA schools , apply it to BETTER effect .
I have what should be considered CONSIDERABLE and quite INTIMATE knowledge of Chinese Martial Arts . I have Teaching Cirtificates in three Chinese systems , with more than 10 years of training in each , and even then I dont think that Im far enough along to open a school of my own .
In all this time Ive never heard of , been a Party to , or even WITNESSED any of these SO-CALLED "Deadly Techniques" of wich you speak . I fact , I have never witnessed anything other than Chinese Yoga (Qigong) , Striking , Grappling , and some very Limited Groudnwork in any legit "Kung Fu" school . We Protect ourselves by wearing Headgear , Mouthpieces , Gloves , Cups , and other Body Armour all of wich is readily available to you over the Internet , if not at your Local Sporting Goods retailer .
I CHALLENGE YOU PERSONALLY to NAME a SINGLE SOLITARY "Deadly Technique" and the system of "Kung Fu" that it comes from . And PLEASE dont make me laugh by saying "Dim Mak" wich looseley translated means "Touch Of Death" and the only "MA" that it comes from is the Hong Kong Cenima of he 60's Shaw Brothers era .
You see , what youre doing bothers me on multiple levels . You MAKE UP the ALLEGED Deadly techniques, then you Laugh them off , thus "Making A Joke Of" a system that never EVER even CLAIMED such things in the FIRST place ! No , not just a SYSTEM , but an entire CULTURE of PEOPLE . when you say "Kung Fu" you mean ANY Chinese Martial Art . This is rediculous , moreso becasue EVERY technique in BJJ came over to Japan from China . No , Im not Silly enough to deny that Refinement happend along the way , but To lose sight of your History os to be Doomed to repeat its mistakes . And just like there was Evoloution in Japan later there was also Evoloution in China AFTER the Arts went to Japan , and in VERY Different and not only INTERESTING but VALUABLE and EFFECTIVE Directions .
On TOP of this , BJJ Players are MORE guil;ty of the underlying Implicatin of your Above statement than ANYONE in the MA world . Have you ever Broken one of your Clasmates Joints ? Do you just go Joint-Displacing for hoous/week every class ? If not how do you KNOW that it will work in a Real Fight ?
Starts to sound rediculous when you put it that way , dosent it ? Look , I weigh 400 lbs , and NO , I try my DAMNEDEST NOT to KO all my Sparring partners , although I probably COULD if I WANTED to . But then they wouldnt play with me again Next week , would you ? So I just work on Speed , Technique , Drills , and Touching them . But DO NOT Insult us and act like youre out there Breaking all your Sparring Partners arms and Ripping fully into Kneebars and Ankle Locks every week . You ARENT .
These are all pretty words , but the reality of the Matter is that the guys that do the Old School training that i come from think tha the New Jacks like yourself are treated lightly . You Spar too early , you dont have to Work for it , and your Bodies are Soft and Ill-Conditioned from a standpoint of Durability . Wrapping your Dainty hands , Not taking Full-Out strikes in Training , etc.
When is the last time that you struck a Makiwara or Wooden Dummy till you Bled ? When is the last time you had to be Struck by everyone in your class and just TAKE it ? When is the last time you were made to Spar 2, 3 , or FOUR Opponents and just basically suffer through the resultant Beating ? Do Spear Thrusts till you Passed out ? Do Clapping Pushups on yor Knuckles on Concrete ? Heck , when is the last time you even worked a BAG without wrapping or taping your hands ? Try this for me . do 2 90 min sessions on the heavy bag next week ever y day wit no Wraps . Tell me how many sessions you make it before you cant go again . Then well move you up to Punching the Wooden Dummy .
Its NEVER been about "Deadly Techniques" . Its ALWYS been about being HARD . I doubt you have ANY Idea what Old-School Kung Fu training is all about in the least .
majutsu
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good post. You went a little over-the-top and assumed many things about me which are not so, but a very good post.
To correct some things: 1) I'm an old man (40), not a new jack. A UFC-type fighter from the 90s. I DO NOT fight or do any martial arts at all now, it's been at least 5 years since I've even practiced. I tore my right rotator cuff in my last match and never went back after surgery and rehab. (Although this forum has clearly got the wheels turning again . . . ) I have been doing competitive bodybuilding and now powerlifting competition since my fighting days. 2) I started traditional in the early 70s, and therefore experienced the BJJ/UFC craze as a revolution of sorts. 3) When I say vale tudo, I mean the way it's done in Brazil. I lived in an apartment in Rio for months in 1990. So my talk of "BJJ" is from that perspective. I am not responsible for any stupidities practiced in a so-called BJJ school in pennsylvania. 4) Many schools have practical sparring I know. But in 1990, most didn't have effective sparring, or had let the practice dwindle. I know good teachers have always taught well. But it was the Gracies that got every McDojo throwing on padded gloves and rolling on the ground.
The point is simple. The gracie family learned a little judo (about 6 months they say) from an embassy exchange program with Japan. Then they subjected this little bit of knowledge to testing and modification in wild street matches. They got good. They came to America with a dream, the UFC. They set it up and deliberately invited grandiose, non-sparring traditionalists to fight in order to kick their ass with great publicity. The result was a commercial success and a reinvigoration of martial arts interest and training in America. Now every school has found the groundwork in their tradition and dusted it off. That's it. The Gracies did nothing more and nothing less. This new tendency young folks (like you
) have to dis the gracie contribution to look cool or non-affected by fads is childish. That's like denying the impact of Einstein or Newton in physics because you don't want to look trendy. The Gracies made a most impressive and worthy contribution to the history of martial arts, and they deserve respect. By the same token, martial arts evolution is not over, and "BJJ" is not the answer to all of life's problems, but if one more person disses the gracies to look hip, I'm going to say, "Get off the gracie-hating nutsack! Try thinking maturely and independently for a change." It's like a teenager dissing their mom and dad to try to find their fledgling identities. Full-grown men respect.
(P.S. The body weight you have and language you use sound familiar to me. (A long shot) Is that you, Bear?)
To correct some things: 1) I'm an old man (40), not a new jack. A UFC-type fighter from the 90s. I DO NOT fight or do any martial arts at all now, it's been at least 5 years since I've even practiced. I tore my right rotator cuff in my last match and never went back after surgery and rehab. (Although this forum has clearly got the wheels turning again . . . ) I have been doing competitive bodybuilding and now powerlifting competition since my fighting days. 2) I started traditional in the early 70s, and therefore experienced the BJJ/UFC craze as a revolution of sorts. 3) When I say vale tudo, I mean the way it's done in Brazil. I lived in an apartment in Rio for months in 1990. So my talk of "BJJ" is from that perspective. I am not responsible for any stupidities practiced in a so-called BJJ school in pennsylvania. 4) Many schools have practical sparring I know. But in 1990, most didn't have effective sparring, or had let the practice dwindle. I know good teachers have always taught well. But it was the Gracies that got every McDojo throwing on padded gloves and rolling on the ground.
The point is simple. The gracie family learned a little judo (about 6 months they say) from an embassy exchange program with Japan. Then they subjected this little bit of knowledge to testing and modification in wild street matches. They got good. They came to America with a dream, the UFC. They set it up and deliberately invited grandiose, non-sparring traditionalists to fight in order to kick their ass with great publicity. The result was a commercial success and a reinvigoration of martial arts interest and training in America. Now every school has found the groundwork in their tradition and dusted it off. That's it. The Gracies did nothing more and nothing less. This new tendency young folks (like you
) have to dis the gracie contribution to look cool or non-affected by fads is childish. That's like denying the impact of Einstein or Newton in physics because you don't want to look trendy. The Gracies made a most impressive and worthy contribution to the history of martial arts, and they deserve respect. By the same token, martial arts evolution is not over, and "BJJ" is not the answer to all of life's problems, but if one more person disses the gracies to look hip, I'm going to say, "Get off the gracie-hating nutsack! Try thinking maturely and independently for a change." It's like a teenager dissing their mom and dad to try to find their fledgling identities. Full-grown men respect.(P.S. The body weight you have and language you use sound familiar to me. (A long shot) Is that you, Bear?)
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Djimbe
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majutsu said:
Your above statements are Contradictory to my mid . "A UFC-Type Fighter From The 90's" is EXACTLY the type of New Jack that I was referring to . I was fighting in China in the 80s . And on the Lei Tai , nort in the Nerfworld that is so popular with the MMA-Types .
Well , thats no Good ...
If you can do that whats stopping you from Training ? Im honestly just Curious . Are you still in the Dallas Area ? I know of a GREAT Instructor there , if you feel like you wouldnt want to go back and play "Catch Up" Victor Ke teaches Combat Shuaijiao email: [email protected] . You should check out some of his Classes . (Shuaijiao is to Judo's Throwing game as BJJ is to Judo's Ground game)
man , Ive DONE the whole "Trip To Chia" thing , and the whole "Trip To Brasil" thing (Bahia) - and for MONTHS at a time , as well . Trust me you can find JUST as good instructionin in the states if you look . It may make you FEEL more "authentic" but thats on you . Youre not gettign any better than if you go to Renzos or one of the Machados and put in the same Effort .
NOW who's making Presumptions ? ACTUALLY I study in NYC and in Philadelphia & New Jersey , and I have trained with some of the Highest Ranked BJJ players on the East Coast , Just because I dont totally Nutride something dosent mean that Im totally Ignorant of it , either . I live where I live because Im no more than a 2 hour Commute even from Log Island .
AND ON TOP OF THAT - Its funny becaue the LITTLE LOCAL group that i train with in BFE PA is the one that Produced the NAGA Champion in what I consider te hardest devision . (Fahdi won in the 2-5 year category after only 2.5 years of Training in the heavyweight devision DESPITE the fact that hes , well , not exactly what one would consider "Ripped" . TRUST me when I say he isnt Muscling anyone in his weight Class)
You know , I dont really have Issue with THIS statement and had THIS been your centrist theme then you would have been better recieved ....
HOWEVER , Id like to note that this was TOTALLY incidental to their actual Goals and mission . Their Goals were to make their System Popular and make millions Teaching it . They succeeded in achieving these outcomes , but NOT because of any particular Martial Prowess on their parts , they did it by securing fights against less than the best that was out there . Hell , they did it by not even inviting the PERCIEVED best that was out there .
AFAIK they spent a BIT more than 6 months with Count Koma (Maeda)
What they ACTUALLY didis fought no one of any sil that was not a Suprise to them . Tey thought that guys like Severn and Shamrock were past their Prime , and they "Invited" NO Lei Tai Champs , NO All China Chmps , NO Lumpani Stadium Champs , NO Kyokushin Knockdown Champs , NO Burmese Boxing Champs , NO Exceptional Western Boxers , NO San Shou/San Da Champions (Jason Yee ? Cung Le ? Both IN THEIR PRIMES at the time) NO Judo Champions ... In esence , no one that they didnt THINK sucked .
Oh yeah , and EVEN WITH THE DECK STACKED Royce got his ass handed to him by Kimo in UFC 5 . Im sorry but I dont care what the Rukles say , if YOU are the guy that cant leave the ring under your own Power and spend DAYS in the hospital afterwards then YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED . An I LOVE how al the Excuses started FLYING afterwards , and how Kimo only had ONE YER of training to Royced 20+ , and ANY of those Excuses would have been laughed srtraight at if it came from a Taiji guys mouth .
This new tendency young folks (like you
Actualy the ONLY part of your Posting that I agree with is the EFFECT that the Gracies have had on the last few years or so . Sparring is NOT a Fad , but a Ground-Dominant game WAS , and the current MMA Fighters games are proving that out better than any argument that I could ever make . HEll , look at Romonex - the JUDO AN WRESTLING GOLD MEADALISTS were having a BOXING MATCH !!! What more Proof do you need ? Sure , when no one trained in it it was a big Trump card , bu so is a Left hook at 90% of the BJ schools in the world . Whatever you DONT know CAN beat you . Thats the ONLY thing that The Gracies Reinforced , and I dont even think that its to truly be considered a "Contribution" because Decent schools SHOULD have known this already .
By that same Token I think tryong to Attribute things to the Gracies that they really are NOT the Progenetors of is Childish . Actually , Trying to make me look "Chldish" simply because I hold a different Viewpoint than you is Childish . You took offense to the fact that I think that the kind of Training done predominantly in his country after the 50's-60's is , well , pusified and frankly I dont think that BJJ training is much Tougher . When I refer to ppl as being Ne Jacks I mean that they dont know what its like to do Low Stance Training for hours , or Grip Training , or Fingertip/knuckle pushups . CAN you do the Drills that I referred to in my last Post ? I NOTICED that you left THAT little part unresponded to . In fact the fact that you THINK the NINTEYS is some kind of "Old School" s really a statement on how pathetic MA i this country is , for the most part .
Note that there is a HUGE difference between poplarising something and creating a LAW . In fact , I will just leave it a this to date ALL of the gracies that have competed with ONLY BJJ have been Beaten , and no one has Disproved Newton yet . Dont try to compare some ppl with some DECENT skills and GREAT Marketing plans to true Genius . The cracks are too readily appearant and Ive spent most of this Post pointing them out already .
Actually , the Gracies have made , thus far , a noteworthy Ripple . Well need at LEAST a Century to see if it sticks .
Id also lke to REstate that MOST of that noteworthy Ripple is REMINDING ppl that Sparring is good . Nothing more , but nothing new . Oyama said the same thing a Century ago .
1) the Gracies=/= BJJ . Hell , the Gracies cant even all stop suing one another , and there are ppl with that Surname that I would MUCH rather be asociated with than others . CERTAIN Gracies (specifically those that are most responsible for making BJ famous)
2) Ive never said anythign Negative about BJJ at all . Nor have I said anything Negative about any Gracie other than pure statements of Fact . Now , I know that you LOVE you some Machados, but can we NOT agree that Brazillian Brawl was oneof the crappiest movies ever made ? Does that make me an "Anti-BJJ Bandwagoner" ? Im sorry , but I FIRMLY Believe in Calling BULLSHIT on what and when I see it in the Martial Arts . And a LOT of what surrounds BJJ at this time IS BULLSHIT . Thats not to say that its not a GREAT skillset , and one that I HAPPEN to Train in , to boot (had you bothered to ask)
Theres NOTHING respectful about turning a Blind Eye to the Truth just because someone MAY have doe SOME good in SOME area . Im happy that the Geracies ad Zuffa helped bring back a Trend in Harder Training than was popular in the Ninjitsu and JKD-Infused 80s - hell , Im just hapy ppl are off Bruce Lee's lame-assed nuts so much - at least the Gracies took FIGHTS ! But SOME good does not make one above Reproach , nor above the Measure of Reason . The fact is that I was training long before UFC1 , MORE than a DECADE before then , so the way that I train was already set , and The Gracies have NOTHING to do with Shaping my Identity .
Oh , and the Tactic of trying to COW me into shutting up with CRAP like "Men Respect , Childeren "Dis" is GARBADGE . Why ? Simply put if my Arguments held no merit then they would be QUITE easily defeated . Its only ppl with something to Hide that fear being Questioned or held up to the light . If History Proves that the beaviours of those questioned WERE beyond Reproach then they always will be , no matter how often queried .
Spoeaking of wich , where are my Deadly Techniques ? What chinese art are they from ? YOu failed to mention these things , as well ...
Never been referred to as "bear" , sorry .
Ripped2Shredds
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when it comes down to it, Martial Arts has been around since the 1400th century, and who knows before that. It is a matter of public opinion, but Aikido by far is a waste of your time, you'd be better off taking ball room dance, or square dance. I watched these guys in the gym the other day moving around in big black pants, dancing holding hands, and then one guy grabbed the one guys wrist, and then the other guy jumped for him like in the WWE. Has anyone just laughed at watching it? LOL
majutsu
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Another great post djimbe. I actually agree with most of what you said. Also, you must be a fighter, because you are one of the few people who identified about 90% of my verbal feints intended to sucker you into defending a hopeless position Email or PM me about this Dallas instructor please.
I am sure I could train now. Like I said, I started the weightlifting in rehab. I am real ectomorphic and fought at 160, 5'10". When I stopped training with my injury, I also had an adrenal problem. I felt sick and cold most of the time, and dropped to 140lbs. I then started to do the rehab machines more aggressively. Next I started to push my weights up. My initial emaciated machine bench was 95lbs in 2003 (down from like 225lbs in college). Today its 315lbs raw and about 405 shirted. I now weigh 215-220lbs. I would really love to fight with this body . . . There were so many times when I wish I had more power. Now if mounted, I can bench even a 300lb opponent right off me! On the other hand, I feel bodybuilding and powerlifting has saved my life emotionally and physically. I never want to give it up, and I never want to injure myself to where I can't lift . . .
Email or PM me about this Dallas instructor please. I am sure I could train now. Like I said, I started the weightlifting in rehab. I am real ectomorphic and fought at 160, 5'10". When I stopped training with my injury, I also had an adrenal problem. I felt sick and cold most of the time, and dropped to 140lbs. I then started to do the rehab machines more aggressively. Next I started to push my weights up. My initial emaciated machine bench was 95lbs in 2003 (down from like 225lbs in college). Today its 315lbs raw and about 405 shirted. I now weigh 215-220lbs. I would really love to fight with this body . . . There were so many times when I wish I had more power. Now if mounted, I can bench even a 300lb opponent right off me! On the other hand, I feel bodybuilding and powerlifting has saved my life emotionally and physically. I never want to give it up, and I never want to injure myself to where I can't lift . . .
Ripped2Shredds
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well I'm glad you too are friends again....lol
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