After Reading, Research, and Tips: My Second Cycle

[JrodP]

First, thanks for everyone who replied to posts or sent me PMs on advise.

After reading for hours until my eyes were red and dry, and getting tips from quite a few of the more experienced guys on here I think I have a pretty good cycle for my 2nd Cycle (my first was 375mg of sust250 once a week for 14 weeks).

Stats: 26, 5' 11", 175lbs, 12% BF, always active, lifting for about 3 years.

Goal: Get to 185lbs and under 10% BF.

Cycle:
Weeks 1-12 500mg of Test C @ 2x250mg Mon and Thur
Weeks 5-8 60mg Anavar daily
Weeks 9-12 80mg Anavar daily
Weeks 1-12 12.5mg Aromasin eod
Weeks 5-12 N2Guard

PCT:
Clomid 25mg a day for 4 weeks
1 bottle each of Unleashed/Posty-Cycle Combo
Forma Stanzol
HCG

Diet:
3000-4000 cal
Roughly 300g protein

Trainng:
Each 1 hour a day
Mon/Thur - Chest & bi
Tue/Fri - Back & tri
Wed - Legs, shoulders, forearms

30-45 min 3 x a week
Crossfit


What I need help with:
-Should do HCGenerate or N2Guard during cycle

-I have 4 bottles of HCG powder that I've had for 4 months, I don't know if it has gone bad or not even though it's unmixed. If I do take it, I don't know how to dose it out for this cycle. Also don't know if I should run it during cycle or in my PCT.

-With my goal (gain 10lbs of muscle and drop under 10% BF) what should my carbs be like daily. I was thinking around 300g

Any advice will be really appreciated.

I will be sure to post updates. Also took some pics before to see improvements and gains.

Thanks!!

 

[stevesmi]

I think at your height you should easily get over 200 natty with the right supplements and improving your diet and training.

you don't need steroids right now man. if you want to run them then thats your choice but you would be far better served building a better base

 

[JrodP]

I think at your height you should easily get over 200 natty with the right supplements and improving your diet and training.

you don't need steroids right now man. if you want to run them then thats your choice but you would be far better served building a better base

I will definitely take it into consideration. A majority of my family is one the taller/skinny. It seems to be a little difficult for me to put on muscle which is why I did the first cycle.

So you would recommend getting to a higher potential then utilizing them if I want instead of using them to get there?

 

[ballslee]

First, thanks for everyone who replied to posts or sent me PMs on advise.

After reading for hours until my eyes were red and dry, and getting tips from quite a few of the more experienced guys on here I think I have a pretty good cycle for my 2nd Cycle (my first was 375mg of sust250 once a week for 14 weeks).

Stats: 26, 5' 11", 175lbs, 12% BF, always active, lifting for about 3 years.

Goal: Get to 185lbs and under 10% BF.

Cycle:
Weeks 1-12 500mg of Test C @ 2x250mg Mon and Thur
Weeks 5-8 60mg Anavar daily
Weeks 9-12 80mg Anavar daily
Weeks 1-12 12.5mg Aromasin eod
Weeks 5-12 N2Guard

PCT:
Clomid 25mg a day for 4 weeks
1 bottle each of Unleashed/Posty-Cycle Combo
Forma Stanzol
HCG

Diet:
3000-4000 cal
Roughly 300g protein

Trainng:
Each 1 hour a day
Mon/Thur - Chest & bi
Tue/Fri - Back & tri
Wed - Legs, shoulders, forearms

30-45 min 3 x a week
Crossfit


What I need help with:
-Should do HCGenerate or N2Guard during cycle

-I have 4 bottles of HCG powder that I've had for 4 months, I don't know if it has gone bad or not even though it's unmixed. If I do take it, I don't know how to dose it out for this cycle. Also don't know if I should run it during cycle or in my PCT.

-With my goal (gain 10lbs of muscle and drop under 10% BF) what should my carbs be like daily. I was thinking around 300g

Any advice will be really appreciated.

I will be sure to post updates. Also took some pics before to see improvements and gains.

Thanks!!

make sure you time that PCT correctly. You at the very least need to start blasting HCg on week 12.....at 1000 IU a week until PCT starts 2 weeks after last shot. dont run hcg in pct.

You can run Hcg throughout the cycle with the amount you have most likely. Do 5 weeks on, then 5 weeks of Hcgenerate, then start again at week 10 or so. during these weeks you can probably go for 500IU, twice a week (or 250IU M, TH)

depends on what dosage hcg you have as well. most i have seen come in 5000IU bottles. you can add 1 or 2 CC's of Bacteriostatic water to it, and then measure your dosage from there.

I think you are trying to gain weight while simultaneously cutting, and that is not a good idea. you need to pick an ultimate goal for the cycle (gain weight, or cut BF) because ultimately even though it is possible to do both, you need to decide one or the other is the priority.....and then you need to focus your diet accordingly.

in my opinion, you need to be bulking. You should throw out the Var and add in anadrol or Dbol/tbol orals or consider another inject that is not deca or tren. but if you already have the Var then that is okay, go with it.

In my opinion, you need to seriously up your carbs. 400 or even 500 carbs per day (carb cycling as well) would be a good decision. all complex carbs, except first thing in the morning and right after workouts those can be fast carbs. But I would try to get as much as you can handle. And see how it treats you for a week.

add 2 cups of oatmeal to your protein shake. Kill the brown rice. Kill the sweet potatoes. Shit just eat anything and you should grow.


also, I would only use the aromasin if estrogen related sides present themselves. I am a firm believer that estrogen will make you grow, and for you having it on hand is a good idea but don't take it throughout because you can grow more muscle without it. if you start getting too bloated, then start taking it (12.5 E3D then EOD if need be)

 

[JrodP]

make sure you time that PCT correctly. You at the very least need to start blasting HCg on week 12.....at 1000 IU a week until PCT starts 2 weeks after last shot. dont run hcg in pct.

You can run Hcg throughout the cycle with the amount you have most likely. Do 5 weeks on, then 5 weeks of Hcgenerate, then start again at week 10 or so. during these weeks you can probably go for 500IU, twice a week (or 250IU M, TH)

depends on what dosage hcg you have as well. most i have seen come in 5000IU bottles. you can add 1 or 2 CC's of Bacteriostatic water to it, and then measure your dosage from there.

I think you are trying to gain weight while simultaneously cutting, and that is not a good idea. you need to pick an ultimate goal for the cycle (gain weight, or cut BF) because ultimately even though it is possible to do both, you need to decide one or the other is the priority.....and then you need to focus your diet accordingly.

in my opinion, you need to be bulking. You should throw out the Var and add in anadrol or Dbol/tbol orals or consider another inject that is not deca or tren. but if you already have the Var then that is okay, go with it.

In my opinion, you need to seriously up your carbs. 400 or even 500 carbs per day (carb cycling as well) would be a good decision. all complex carbs, except first thing in the morning and right after workouts those can be fast carbs. But I would try to get as much as you can handle. And see how it treats you for a week.

add 2 cups of oatmeal to your protein shake. Kill the brown rice. Kill the sweet potatoes. Shit just eat anything and you should grow.


also, I would only use the aromasin if estrogen related sides present themselves. I am a firm believer that estrogen will make you grow, and for you having it on hand is a good idea but don't take it throughout because you can grow more muscle without it. if you start getting too bloated, then start taking it (12.5 E3D then EOD if need be)

Thanks so much for all the info brother.

I forgot to put that, I have 4 5000 bottles of HCG. So how would you recommend dosing that throughout the 14 weeks (12 cycle + 2 before PCT)?

Also, why would you recommend not doing test/var? Is it because var is typically used more in cutting cycles? I mainly picked it because of how easy it is on the liver and reviews on gains.

Between Anadrol, Dianabol, and Turinabol orals which would you chose to cycle with the test? And if I run those I'd want to add some liver support on cycle.

I'm not necessarily trying to bulk/cut at the same time, I just want to bulk and with cardio and diet have the ability to do it without putting on fat. Basically want lean gains. So I'll make sure I up the carbs, and I've done the oatmeal in the shakes (banana nut bread oatmeal in chocolate is awesome).

I will be sure to buy the aromasin and keep in on hand just in case.

Thanks again.

 

[ballslee]

Var is not a bad choice, because it can be taken for a longer period of time. but you still need liver support supps with Var too. any oral is harsh on the liver, doesn't matter if it is lighter than others or not.

Man that is a hard decision though. Anadrol puts on crazy size, like crazy size. and if you had aromasin with it, you would be gaining like crazy and not adding any fat. Dbol is crazy strength, which brings added size but not as much as anadrol. Turinabol is lean solid gains and can be run for a longer period of time as well.

being you second cycle, i would say Var or Tbol are your best options.
That is because anadrol is pretty drastic of a steroid, and it will be blatenly obvious when you gain 10-15 pounds in a week that you are juicing.
You would probably go above 200 on Adrol, but it is not as much of a beginner steroid.

if you go abombs or dbol, definitely use the aromasin from the start.

 

[JrodP]

Var is not a bad choice, because it can be taken for a longer period of time. but you still need liver support supps with Var too. any oral is harsh on the liver, doesn't matter if it is lighter than others or not.

Man that is a hard decision though. Anadrol puts on crazy size, like crazy size. and if you had aromasin with it, you would be gaining like crazy and not adding any fat. Dbol is crazy strength, which brings added size but not as much as anadrol. Turinabol is lean solid gains and can be run for a longer period of time as well.

being you second cycle, i would say Var or Tbol are your best options.
That is because anadrol is pretty drastic of a steroid, and it will be blatenly obvious when you gain 10-15 pounds in a week that you are juicing.
You would probably go above 200 on Adrol, but it is not as much of a beginner steroid.

if you go abombs or dbol, definitely use the aromasin from the start.

Sounds good.
And how would you use the HCG from the above post?

Man the anadrol sounds sounds so tempting now...would you run that or tbol for the first part of the cycle (first 6) to start everything off?

 

[notjake11]

Given that he wants a lean bulk, wouldn't that make tbol far superior to dbol? Everyone I've seen on dbol (and everything I've read on here tends to support that it's not just what I've seen) that dbol gives a sloppy/wet bulk and that gains are hard to maintain when cycle ends.

Honest question - not a critique

 

[Nelson Montana]

Given that he wants a lean bulk, wouldn't that make tbol far superior to dbol? Everyone I've seen on dbol (and everything I've read on here tends to support that it's not just what I've seen) that dbol gives a sloppy/wet bulk and that gains are hard to maintain when cycle ends.

Honest question - not a critique

Everyone wants a lean bulk.

 

[notjake11]

Everyone wants a lean bulk.

Yes, but some are willing to sacrifice a bit more on the lean to get the bulk while others aren't willing to put any fat on (Dylan comes to mind). There's a wide spectrum.

 

[JrodP]

Yes, but some are willing to sacrifice a bit more on the lean to get the bulk while others aren't willing to put any fat on (Dylan comes to mind). There's a wide spectrum.

Yeah I'd agree with that.

Someone mentioned it here, but I can't remember who. I think they said muscle is muscle, the "lean" part will come from diet and cardio. I understand that part, but it is known that some will give you overall gains like you mentioned and some are a little more lean.

I am open to both the tbol and the anadrol which is why I'm asking for opinions. I do like the quick and huge gains that anadrol is known to give, but at the same time I'm cycling test for 12 weeks so I have the time for a gain with something like tbol.

Thanks for all the replies gents...want to get on the right track so I know what to do when it's time to start it all up in the future.

 

[JrodP]

So doing more research here is what I'm gathereing from a lot of other guys opinions on here:

Anadrol - definitely best oral for fast acting size gains, lot of water retention, good amount of gains will probably drop off

Dbol - best for strenght and moderate size gains, still water retention but not as much, easier to keep gains

Tbol - low water retention and slower steady gains that will be easy to keep

Anavar - best with cutting and gains are easiest to keep

IF I'm correct on these then a cycle of test/var or test/tbol would be best...

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[dylangemelli]

if you want the leanest cycle you can run with putting on a bit of lean muscle then you should run test prop with anavar or winstrol... if your body fat was lower then you would want to add masteron... obviously tren is going to be brought up by many but your not ready for that...

 

[JrodP]

if you want the leanest cycle you can run with putting on a bit of lean muscle then you should run test prop with anavar or winstrol... if your body fat was lower then you would want to add masteron... obviously tren is going to be brought up by many but your not ready for that...

Thank you for the response. I'll be running var and test c. I was looking at prop but due to some other obligations I cannot pin eod, I can do one or two a week.

I definitely will look at tren, mast, test down the road once my bf is down and im at anoyher level. Thanks for all the help gents.

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