advice on what to do please!

[mish12345]

some of you might have seen me put posts up about my cycle and me being unsure whether its legit.

I'm on my first cycle of 500mg sust/wk, coming up to week 7 now. diet and training completely nailed. still havent had any dramatic strength or size gains. I posted pics up and as I thought everyone said they were perfectly legit, but they clearly aren't since they're not working. The packaging and amps are 100% legit organon, but the contents clearly not.

First question - I have actually gained a few kg in weight, but no other effects at all. Is it the case that fake gear can cause a gain in weight? it would be a simple conclusion that the gear is fake had I not gained the weight, but that part just means it doesnt all add up! confused..

My other question is what to do from here. Should I keep pinning it or just stop? I have nolva but since I'm pretty sure its fake shall I just not bother with it?

I'm considering getting some test e from a totally different source - could I just start that asap?

Sorry for all the q's and dont expect people to answer them all, but any guidance on what to do from here much appreciated

ps I'm all for signing a petition for making the manufacture of fake gear an executable offence if anyone's interested.

 

[eddymerckx]

forget the weight has your body composition changed?

as far as dramatic size and strength gains, there are a lot of reasons (overtraining/workout design etc) for that and what do you mean by dramatic?

it could also be diet--you could have a screaming metabolism--not that i would know anything about that

i saw your gear pics and they all looked fine except for that one in the middle if i remember correctly-

 

[mish12345]

no body has not changed, and nobody has noticed anything.

there is no issue with my workout/training all spot on mate. well when I say dramatic I've been told I should have had noticable strength and size gains by now, esp since its my first cycle.

my training partner did the exact same cycle and by now he had exploded! plus his diet wasn't a patch on mine. and he overtrained.

 

[rudy76]

some of you might have seen me put posts up about my cycle and me being unsure whether its legit.

I'm on my first cycle of 500mg Sustanon/wk, coming up to week 7 now. diet and training completely nailed. still havent had any dramatic strength or size gains. I posted pics up and as I thought everyone said they were perfectly legit, but they clearly aren't since they're not working. The packaging and amps are 100% legit organon, but the contents clearly not.

First question - I have actually gained a few kg in weight, but no other effects at all. Is it the case that fake gear can cause a gain in weight? it would be a simple conclusion that the gear is fake had I not gained the weight, but that part just means it doesnt all add up! confused..

My other question is what to do from here. Should I keep pinning it or just stop? I have Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - but since I'm pretty sure its fake shall I just not bother with it?

I'm considering getting some testosterone enanthate from a totally different source - could I just start that asap?

Sorry for all the q's and dont expect people to answer them all, but any guidance on what to do from here much appreciated

ps I'm all for signing a petition for making the manufacture of fake gear an executable offence if anyone's interested.

No harm in switching - if your not happy go with test.e - if that doesn't work then you know its you not the gear.

 

[eddymerckx]

No harm in switching - if your not happy go with test.e - if that doesn't work then you know its you not the gear.

agree--if no body comp change and no real gains--you could swich now and just act as if you are starting-out b/c it may have been way underdosed or not at all.

 

[mish12345]

I'm a member on another forum too and this is what one guy just said to me. just wondered your opinions on it because its the first time I've had someone say anything of the like:

be patient bro, sust generally takes 7 to 8 weeks before you start seeing any real noticeable gains

that was what always frustrated me about sust is that it would be near week 9 before i would feel or see anything!!

 

[Sue Me]

But sustanon has shorter acting esters too, so if you were injecting every 3 or 3.5 days, wouldn't you feel that?

(just posing the question)

 

[rudy76]

I'm a member on another forum too and this is what one guy just said to me. just wondered your opinions on it because its the first time I've had someone say anything of the like:

That quote is BS - 9 weeks is unheard of - If it was true what's the point when most cycles are only 10 weeks anyway.

By the way - the only forum to listen to is this one Bros - if you add up all the experience on here it must be a 1000 years worth.

 

[eddymerckx]

I'm a member on another forum too and this is what one guy just said to me. just wondered your opinions on it because its the first time I've had someone say anything of the like:

the deconate is a really long ester and takes a while to accumulate, but the pro.p and phyn.lprop you can feel very quickly--at 500 a week you are still getting enough short esters to notice something before 7 weeks...

if you have a reg doc-ask him to do a test panel==then you will really know---and no, he cannot tell anyone or else you will own his house. there are some home saliva tests out there but never tried it myself.

 

[mish12345]

yeah I know the steroid forum on here is great. I'm just having a NIGHTMARE trying to decide what to do! so trying to gather as much info/opinions as possible. only thing is, opinions vary greeeatly!

do I carry on or not, is it legit or fake, is it underdosed... yada yada

 

[mish12345]

the deconate is a really long ester and takes a while to accumulate, but the pro.p and phyn.lprop you can feel very quickly--at 500 a week you are still getting enough short esters to notice something before 7 weeks...

if you have a reg doc-ask him to do a test panel==then you will really know---and no, he cannot tell anyone or else you will own his house. there are some home saliva tests out there but never tried it myself.

problem is my doctor is my Dad's partner, so if I want to go see him my dad would know about it since they he works there too. would all be a bit awkward. and although its confidential I wouldnt feel comfotable as he's a family friend.

saliva tests that do what exactly? you know any more about them?

 

[rudy76]

yeah I know the steroid forum on here is great. I'm just having a NIGHTMARE trying to decide what to do! so trying to gather as much info/opinions as possible. only thing is, opinions vary greeeatly!

do I carry on or not, is it legit or fake, is it underdosed... yada yada

It's only money and when it comes down to it if your not happy with something you're injecting into your own meat then stop using it - switch to to something else and maybe add in some d.bol for a kick start - that will help and put your mind at ease. Steroids are a touchy issue so you want no more added stress than you already have - you need a clear mind to dedicate to improving your body. If your mind's not clear you can make mistakes.

 

[eddymerckx]

problem is my doctor is my Dad's partner, so if I want to go see him my dad would know about it since they he works there too. would all be a bit awkward. and although its confidential I wouldnt feel comfotable as he's a family friend.

saliva tests that do what exactly? you know any more about them?

not sure in the uk, but in the states, you get a collection vial and a prepaid shipping box w/results via e-mail in a few day. i would do a uk google for it