Advice on Lipid/Cholesterol Panel *Test Results

[ColtSSBR]

First off, I have never had any issues with my Cholesterol/HDL/LDL and they have actually been quite good in the past. Yesterday, I received my lipid panel with the following results:
Cholesterol, Total: 221 mg/dL (125-200)
HDL Cholesterol: 23mg/dL (>OR=40)
LDL Cholesterol: 182 mg/dL (calc) (<130)

Less than 9 months ago, this was my results:
Cholesterol, Total: 152 mg/dL (125-200)
HDL Cholesterol: 43mg/dL (>OR=40)
LDL Cholesterol: 97 mg/dL (calc) (<130)

What is different between the two? During the first test I was only taking HCG (1,000 a day) and Anastrozole (.5mg). My TRT was changed from massive dosages of HCG (idiot doc) to:
Test Cyp (320), Oxandrolone (50), Nandrolone (160), Anastrozole (.5), and HCG (250).
Now, my regular (non-TRT) physician wants to immediately put me on Simcor to get my lipid profile adjusted correctly, but I really don’t want to take any more medication. Is this type of lipid profile change normal for guys using the above listed medications? I only run the Oxandrolone and Nandrolone for 20 weeks and then let my body adjust awhile before taking anything else. Once I stop those two, should my lipid profile return to normal?
Any advice on this will be greatly appreciated.

 

[rockdoc]

The oxandrolone will obliterate HDL levels. Its the primary culprit in lipid panel for reducing HDL and increasing LDL. What kind of Doctor is prescribing these things at these dosages? HCG is not something you use long term to increase test and 320mg/week is a cycle, not HRT. What are ox and nandrolone being prescribed for?

 

[ColtSSBR]

The oxandrolone will obliterate HDL levels. Its the primary culprit in lipid panel for reducing HDL and increasing LDL. What kind of Doctor is prescribing these things at these dosages? HCG is not something you use long term to increase test and 320mg/week is a cycle, not HRT. What are ox and nandrolone being prescribed for?

Hmmmm...was not aware that the Oxandrolone would have such a profound effect on my lipids. Too expensive anyway.

The HCG protocol was from the first TRT doc, who was an idiot, and I'm glad somone corrected me before it went on for too long.

Test/Oxa/Nan/Anas/HCG all part and prescribed at those dosages for my current TRT program.

 

[rockdoc]

You might want to ask him what he's got you on the ox and deca for. Maybe there's something I don't know here, but this protocol makes no more sense to me than your previous one. 20 weeks is a long time to be on any oral. Yes your HDL will be extremely low when you come off but it will gradually come up once you go off but it can take 2 to 4 months.

 

[ColtSSBR]

You might want to ask him what he's got you on the ox and deca for. Maybe there's something I don't know here, but this protocol makes no more sense to me than your previous one. 20 weeks is a long time to be on any oral. Yes your HDL will be extremely low when you come off but it will gradually come up once you go off but it can take 2 to 4 months.

Thanks for the replies.
I know why I'm on the Nandrolone and Oxandrolone.
I did not know what exactly was impacting my lipid profile in such a negative manner and/or what I could do about it.
Keep in mind, I literally just received this information from my regular doc.
Actually, from what I have read, 20 weeks for the Oxandrolone is not uncommon.

 

[Zyglamail]

Hmmmm...was not aware that the Oxandrolone would have such a profound effect on my lipids. Too expensive anyway.

The HCG protocol was from the first TRT doc, who was an idiot, and I'm glad somone corrected me before it went on for too long.

Test/Oxa/Nan/Anas/HCG all part and prescribed at those dosages for my current TRT program.

Orals are hard on the liver and affect the way the liver works so as stated Ox is the likely culprit.

 

[Zyglamail]

The oxandrolone will obliterate HDL levels. Its the primary culprit in lipid panel for reducing HDL and increasing LDL. What kind of Doctor is prescribing these things at these dosages? HCG is not something you use long term to increase test and 320mg/week is a cycle, not HRT. What are ox and nandrolone being prescribed for?

There are basically 2 schools for HRT. Typically endo's and gen practitioners treat low T by bring T levels up to mid range on labs. Aside from that, this form of TRT does very little in terms of treating symptoms of low T.

Symptoms such as inability to mentally concentrate and focus, lack of mental clarity, sex drive, depression and overall apathy with life are insidious symptoms of low T that are often ignored by endos and gen practitioners.

Docs who specialize in HRT/TRT have for a long time now realized that often times men with low T also have high E and high SHBG which makes what T they have less effective. They treat hundreds of patients and see hundred of labs and empirical evidence has shown them that 400mg/wk test C or E is generally well tolerated for those with a clean bill of health who are active and lead a healthy lifestyle. Test up to that dose usually result in labs on or over the high end of the normal range for most guys >40 but one has to remember that as part of aging a >40 year olds system is simply not as efficient as that of a 25 year old. 400mg/test for a >40 year old is not going to have as great an impact as it will for a 25 year old. The >40 year old has fewer active mitochondria, they recover slower and generally produce less GH, igf-1 and a myriad of other hormones that work synergistically together. Testosterone does not exist in a vacuum in the body, while having more can generally be said to produce more results it does not function alone or in a pure linear fashion and needs all the supporting elements in the body to support the benefits of the added test.

Your system will only benefit as much as the weakest link in the chain will support and diminished returns are not new to those who have run long or large cycles.

So long story short if you see someone on trt doses over 200mg/wk you can just about be assured they are being treated by a TRT doc and have good labs.

If the doses are <200mg/wk they are either fairly small dudes, seeing a general doc and have poor labs and any more test would throw things out of whack.

 

[ColtSSBR]

Zyg,
Thanks again for the information and assistance.

 

[Edterry]

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