Advice for my second cycle!

[Evilqt]

Hey guys, I'm still sort of new to the whole cycling thing and would truly appreciate any advice. I'm 23, 6'3, 200lbs, 14% BF but with excess skin from when I was 250 and 23ish% BF. I've been trainning for about 3 years not counting the periods in time which I slack off and rest for months.

My first cycle:

Weighed 182lbs @ 15.5% BF and finished at my current stats.

Test C - 400mg/ week for 10 weeks

Dbol - 15mg ED for the first 4 weeks (1.2g of milk thistle throughout the weeks)

Arimidex - .50mg right after each shot and followed by .25mg EOD for 10 weeks

PCT 2 weeks after the last shot

Clomid - 100mg on the first day 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

Honestly, my diet wasn't the best cause it's hard for me to eat a lot so I had to mic up complex carbs into my protein drinks. My avergae consumption a day was 185g of protein. I know my diet sucked since I don't even know my avergae carbs nor fats. For my next cycle I plan to have it all planned out.

For my second cycle which won't begin 'till either January or April of 2013. I was considering Test E @ 500mg/ week for 12 weeks. What I don't know is if I should include Deca @ 200mg/ week or kickstart it with Dbol again but at 25mg ED for 4 weeks and end it w/ Anavar @ 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

If you have any other ideas for a recommended 2nd cycle or a different way to dose things, please let me know. I still have about 4 months and haven't purchased the gear just yet so I am open to any good cycle ideas.

I'm still new to it so I don't want to rush myself to it. What concerns me about deca is if it's still to early for me to use it so please help me w/ as much as possible. I also don't know if to stick to test C or try test E, that's why I am considering it for a 2nd cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey guys, I'm still sort of new to the whole cycling thing and would truly appreciate any advice. I'm 23, 6'3, 200lbs, 14% BF but with excess skin from when I was 250 and 23ish% BF. I've been trainning for about 3 years not counting the periods in time which I slack off and rest for months.

My first cycle:

Weighed 182lbs @ 15.5% BF and finished at my current stats.

Test C - 400mg/ week for 10 weeks

Dbol - 15mg ED for the first 4 weeks (1.2g of milk thistle throughout the weeks)

Arimidex - .50mg right after each shot and followed by .25mg EOD for 10 weeks

PCT 2 weeks after the last shot

Clomid - 100mg on the first day 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

Honestly, my diet wasn't the best cause it's hard for me to eat a lot so I had to mic up complex carbs into my protein drinks. My avergae consumption a day was 185g of protein. I know my diet sucked since I don't even know my avergae carbs nor fats. For my next cycle I plan to have it all planned out.

For my second cycle which won't begin 'till either January or April of 2013. I was considering Test E @ 500mg/ week for 12 weeks. What I don't know is if I should include Deca @ 200mg/ week or kickstart it with Dbol again but at 25mg ED for 4 weeks and end it w/ Anavar @ 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

If you have any other ideas for a recommended 2nd cycle or a different way to dose things, please let me know. I still have about 4 months and haven't purchased the gear just yet so I am open to any good cycle ideas.

I'm still new to it so I don't want to rush myself to it. What concerns me about deca is if it's still to early for me to use it so please help me w/ as much as possible. I also don't know if to stick to test C or try test E, that's why I am considering it for a 2nd cycle.

what you run is dependent upon your goals for the cycle... so what are your goals??

 

[Evilqt]

My main goal is to be at 225lbs and 11% BF. My goal for the cycle is to bulk up by putting on as much muscle as possible, hopefully a minimum of 12lbs.

 

[timetogethuge1940]

it sounds like you had good results from your first cycle.. so think about if you did that same thing again, but ate right as well? Since you are a little more experienced, you could consider bumping up the dosage of the test and d-bol.

personally i would hold off on using the deca, it's one of those steroids that if you don't do everything right.. the risk will outweigh the reward. a suitable replacement if you wanted to stack two injectables would be equipose. with a proper diet, i think you would get a lot more leaner gains.. and gains that are easier to keep. would have to run a cycle for a little longer than 12 weeks tho to get the full benefit.

as far as test e or c.. either compound will work just fine. not a big difference in the esters.

your pct may need to be upgraded just a little but for the most part it looks like you have a pretty good gameplan. do a lot more research and studying about aas and dieting. the more knowledge you have the greater the benefits will be.

 

[dylangemelli]

My main goal is to be at 225lbs and 11% BF. My goal for the cycle is to bulk up by putting on as much muscle as possible, hopefully a minimum of 12lbs.

so your aiming more towards lean mass? there's a big difference between kickstarting with tbol or dbol... dbol is going to put size on you quickly but its going to be a lot of water... tbol will give nice lean gains that are very dry are much more likely to be kept... deca is a whole different story man... i feel like there's too many things to worry about with it that outweigh the gains from it... if your going to run it then you need to make sure you have caber or prami for prolactin and a strong pct and also definitely running hcg on cycle...

 

[RickRock13]

Test E at 500mg per week with an oral kickstart would be a good second cycle. Leave out the Deca, and you could also run Var like you had planned at the end of it to help shred up a little.

 

[Evilqt]

It looks like I'll be purchasing a 3rd 10ml vial of test e and approximately 1500 mg will be leftover during my 12 week cycle. My question is, should I add 3 extra weeks to my cycle or should I keep it at 12 weeks but up the dose to 625 per week? Is 500 ui of hcg twice a week during a test e cycle okay? I may kickstart it w/ either tbol or dbol and end it w/ anavar. Anyone know if there's a type of beastdrol still around, if so is it compareable to the orals i plan on taking?

 

[gymjunkie09]

I agree with timetogethuge..EQ is a better option than deca imo and ive used both seperate and together, it won't tip the scale like Deca but will provide quality, keepable gains and the sense of well being amazing and side free...heres how i would run your second cycle, i would run sustanon with EQ but if you already have Test E then that wil work...

Test E 500mg/week 1-14
EQ 600mg/week 1-14
Dbol 25-50mg/ed 1-4
N2GAURD 7 caps ed 1-4
Hcngerate 5 caps ed 1-4, 9-12
HCG 500 iu's (250 2x/week) 5-8, 13&14...1000ius e3d 15,16

pct
post cycle/unleashed combo 17-20
Clomid 25mg/ 17-20

 

[timetogethuge1940]

i used deca once.. but i didn't eat enough to get its full benefits. I usually try to stay lean and under 10% body fat even when bulking. I see a lot of people turning to deca instead of eq and i really don't know why..

 

[Evilqt]

How's this then for 2nd cycle?

Week 1-4:
Tbol 60mg ED
1.5g of milk thistle EW

Week 1-12:
Test E 500mg EW
Arimidex .25mg EOD
I'll have 1500mg of Test leftover. Should I save it for a 3rd cycle, add 3 more weeks of test, or add 125mg to EW?

Week 14-18:
Nolvadex - 30/20/20/10
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

I plan on buying 2 vials of HCG. It's a total of 2 ml consisting of 10,000 iu. I think that 250 iu twice a week is enough but when in my cycle should I commence using it, and when should I stop? Also should I take more and stronger doses a week prior to my pct?