Add EQ to first cycle?

[cyrex]

This ended up in another one of my posts but was off topic, so I'm reposting a new thread to get everyone's opinion:
Current plan for my first cycle is to do
Test e 500mg(250 2x) wk1-12
Nolva PCT 14-17

Here is my comment and question from the other thread:

I've been considering running it along with EQ.

2 guys from work are gonna be running cycles (I'm afraid they haven't done near the research they should though)
1 will be on EQ (not sure but he just has 1 vial... lol)
other one will be on EQ and Test (also has 1 vial of each ????)
I guess they plan on obtaining more when they run out or something but oh well

Anyways it's gotten me thinking.. should i toss some EQ in also?...

wk1-12 test e (500mg)
wk1-12 eq (400-500mg)
PCT (nolvadex)

downside is that it's my first cycle and I don't know how I'll react
I'm 6'4" 255~260lbs right now at about 20-22% bf
I'm planning on holding off on starting the cycle till i drop my BF down to 18% or less (depending on how long it takes)
I was up to 300 lbs a year ago (bad knee injury got me stuck in a rut)
My goals are basically just to build up some muscle. I'm not so worried about getting down below 12% bf yet since I'm naturally just a big guy. I'd like to build up a lot more muscle so that I just naturally burn more calories and with a consistant clean diet after my cycle, I should drop the fat slowly but surely.

With that in mind, what would the benefits of adding EQ be?

 

[cyrex]

Also, should I get my hands on some arimadex for during or is it really not needed? (I guess i don't care so much about bloat)

 

[cyrex]

bump

 

[nuevo laredo]

First, what doesages are you planning on?

EQ sounds good!

I like it because it increases my cardio capacity, seems to have less sides, and the gains are keepable.

DEFINITELY get some arimidex or some other anti-e. Even if you are OK with bloat there are still other sides from too much estrogen that you want to avoid.

 

[cyrex]

I have nolva on hand...

I edited my post
but 500 Test/week and 400 or 500 EQ /week (depending on if i get 200mg/ml or 500mg/ml)

 

[cyrex]

still need arimidex if I have nolva on hand incase i get sides from the Test?

 

[sweed]

i gained very nicely with just test (500) ... but if u want to add eq.. to each his own.. 500 test and 500 eq would lead to a 1 gram of AS per week... a little more than one of the guys would like..
if u want a good 15-20 lbs.. test is just fine, beleive me and a lot of others here... u may get excited and think more will give me more... not the case... if u want a little more just get some dbols to kickstart your cycle for the first 4 weeks... thats what i did and it was very fun. good luck to whatever u do

 

[cyrex]

I'm thinking about that... hehe
50mb dbol wk 1-5
but not sure..

 

[sweed]

I'm thinking about that... hehe
50mb dbol wk 1-5
but not sure..

30 mgs is enough .... beleive this youngin..... it will get you some great weight with some great strength fast. and after that cycle u can thank me and u will save some dough

 

[cyrex]

hehe
k
I'll try 30mg if I go with some dbol (i probably won't)

 

[25homes]

Save the eq for down the road bro....you will be glas you did...first cycle run test and dbal the first 4-5 weeks you will blow up

 

[slat1]

Your first cycle is going to be bigger than any I have ever done!
You may want to do a little more research.
I get the impression that your diet is not a great one. All of you results from AAS are direct results of how you eat!
My first cycle was ten weeks of test ent at 250mgs a week. I slapped on 20lbs. I knew nothing about hcg/clomid at the time. I wish I did because I dropped 14 of the 20 lbs I gained after a while.
Just because you weigh more does not mean you have to use more stuff. You still produce in the same range of test as the rest of us.
Basic science dictates that you use one compound and study the results. Then you can add in a second the next time to see how you react.
If you use two or three right off the bat you have no idea what is doing what. Even worse if you have sides effects you have no idea where they are coming from!
Study up on PCT too. You are going to want hcg during such a large cycle and clomid or nolva after.
Take your time to keep studying on the board. You want to minimize mistakes so you don't have health concerns.
There are a lot of vets on the board who have made their share of mistakes. Learn from them. Don't make them yourself!

Best of luck!

BTW. Make sure you have everything on hand BEFORE you start! Murphy's law says if you try to get stuff after you start you will not be able to get it. When that happens you are screwed and it is all your own fault. Don't be that guy.

 

[asianlover]

i would definantly run some adex throughout the cycle. not using it will increase the chances of you getting fatter,especially if your diet is not on. more esrogen = more estro related fat deposites.

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

You need to run the test a week longer than the EQ.

I'm doing the exact cycle you mentioned.

1-15 500mg test-e / wk
1-14 400mg eq / wk

Assuming everything goes well. I'd get some adex too if you can get ahold of it.

Novla and Clomid for PCT.

 

[DreadNot]

This ended up in another one of my posts but was off topic, so I'm reposting a new thread to get everyone's opinion:
Current plan for my first cycle is to do
Test e 500mg(250 2x) wk1-12
Nolva PCT 14-17

Here is my comment and question from the other thread:

I've been considering running it along with EQ.

2 guys from work are gonna be running cycles (I'm afraid they haven't done near the research they should though)
1 will be on EQ (not sure but he just has 1 vial... lol)
other one will be on EQ and Test (also has 1 vial of each ????)
I guess they plan on obtaining more when they run out or something but oh well

Anyways it's gotten me thinking.. should i toss some EQ in also?...

wk1-12 test e (500mg)
wk1-12 eq (400-500mg)
PCT (nolvadex)

downside is that it's my first cycle and I don't know how I'll react
I'm 6'4" 255~260lbs right now at about 20-22% bf
I'm planning on holding off on starting the cycle till i drop my BF down to 18% or less (depending on how long it takes)
I was up to 300 lbs a year ago (bad knee injury got me stuck in a rut)
My goals are basically just to build up some muscle. I'm not so worried about getting down below 12% bf yet since I'm naturally just a big guy. I'd like to build up a lot more muscle so that I just naturally burn more calories and with a consistant clean diet after my cycle, I should drop the fat slowly but surely.

With that in mind, what would the benefits of adding EQ be?

IMO you've answerded your own question. First, it is your first cycle and second with regards to eq, you hit it on the head when you said "it's my first cycle and I don't know how I'll react".
There is no reason to use anything other than test,see how it goes, than add eq the next time if you really have to.
patience and aas are like water and fire.

 

[cyrex]

Your first cycle is going to be bigger than any I have ever done!
You may want to do a little more research.
I get the impression that your diet is not a great one. All of you results from AAS are direct results of how you eat!
My first cycle was ten weeks of test ent at 250mgs a week. I slapped on 20lbs. I knew nothing about hcg/clomid at the time. I wish I did because I dropped 14 of the 20 lbs I gained after a while.
Just because you weigh more does not mean you have to use more stuff. You still produce in the same range of test as the rest of us.
Basic science dictates that you use one compound and study the results. Then you can add in a second the next time to see how you react.
If you use two or three right off the bat you have no idea what is doing what. Even worse if you have sides effects you have no idea where they are coming from!
Study up on PCT too. You are going to want hcg during such a large cycle and clomid or nolva after.
Take your time to keep studying on the board. You want to minimize mistakes so you don't have health concerns.
There are a lot of vets on the board who have made their share of mistakes. Learn from them. Don't make them yourself!

Best of luck!

BTW. Make sure you have everything on hand BEFORE you start! Murphy's law says if you try to get stuff after you start you will not be able to get it. When that happens you are screwed and it is all your own fault. Don't be that guy.

hmm
my first cycle is 10-12 wks of test 250 2x/week with PCT nolva... too big?
anyways I'm gonna stick with Test E only. I have everything i need already

My diet is in check actually. HCG on such a large cycle? hmm i'm still confused I've seen much larger cycles with stacks on here before.

Do I really need HCG?

Also I don't plan on starting for a month or two

 

[boops]

no need to run it with your first bud, you will grow just fine off of test alone...also you wont be able to tell whats working and how its working for you...plenty of time to run test and eq down the road...whatever you decide goodluck.....

 

[cyrex]

If I get any sides, when should I expect them?
within a couple days of first injection?
4-5 weeks (when it starts kicking in?) 6-7 weeks when it has kicked in and starts adding up?

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Warning: This is *NOT* a flame. Please don't take it as such. It's just I've had an injury before, saw the weight pile up like you, and was about to make the same mistake you are.



With your bodyfat being so high I would really run liquidex during the cycle, and def. clean up the diet. I saw the part about getting down to 18% before starting and not wanting to be 12% because you are naturally a big guy. Well, 12% is even on the big side, 20% is way out there. I wouldn't even recommend the cycle until you reached at least 15%. I know how it is with injuries, I tore a muscle a few years ago and watched my hard as a rock 270lb body become a very weak and puffy 260lbs. It's hard brother, but you have to do things the right way.

Besides, all that body fat, running a cycle and an obviously unclean diet isn't too good for the body.

My advice? Cut. Work on your diet. Learn how to eat properly NOW, not later. Diet and nutrition are the true key to building OR getting ripped. Fuck the eq. No need for it now. Screw the test too. Get on the tread or bike, eat the chicken and brown rice, up the reps and sets, hit the basic movements and hit them hard. Keep those bottles of test on your dresser and look at them every day as motivation. Know that when you get it all together, they are yours to use.

If you do things the right way, instead of half assing it, trust me you will be so much happier with the way you look and feel (two very important things). Otherwise at 20% bodyfat, and doing a test cycle, especially with no adex, you'll just end up looking like a blob. I was there brother, trust me on this one. The last thing you need right now is a bulking cycle, or any cycle at all. Clean diet, lot's of cardio and work hard and heavy on the basic movements.

 

[cyrex]

Warning: This is *NOT* a flame. Please don't take it as such. It's just I've had an injury before, saw the weight pile up like you, and was about to make the same mistake you are.



With your bodyfat being so high I would really run liquidex during the cycle, and def. clean up the diet. I saw the part about getting down to 18% before starting and not wanting to be 12% because you are naturally a big guy. Well, 12% is even on the big side, 20% is way out there. I wouldn't even recommend the cycle until you reached at least 15%. I know how it is with injuries, I tore a muscle a few years ago and watched my hard as a rock 270lb body become a very weak and puffy 260lbs. It's hard brother, but you have to do things the right way.

Besides, all that body fat, running a cycle and an obviously unclean diet isn't too good for the body.

My advice? Cut. Work on your diet. Learn how to eat properly NOW, not later. Diet and nutrition are the true key to building OR getting ripped. Fuck the eq. No need for it now. Screw the test too. Get on the tread or bike, eat the chicken and brown rice, up the reps and sets, hit the basic movements and hit them hard. Keep those bottles of test on your dresser and look at them every day as motivation. Know that when you get it all together, they are yours to use.

If you do things the right way, instead of half assing it, trust me you will be so much happier with the way you look and feel (two very important things). Otherwise at 20% bodyfat, and doing a test cycle, especially with no adex, you'll just end up looking like a blob. I was there brother, trust me on this one. The last thing you need right now is a bulking cycle, or any cycle at all. Clean diet, lot's of cardio and work hard and heavy on the basic movements.

Where's all this unclean diet stuff coming from? lol I have had a very clean diet for the last 4 months

 

[c3bodybuilding]

At the end you wrote about cleaning up your diet after your cycle. That with the 20-22%, I figured you were currently on the iffy side of nutrition. Sorry brother, didn't know. I was just being helpful, no need to get sarcastic.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Hey bro, I'm sorry if what I wrote I offended you. It's just I was at the same point you are, and I thought I would offer you some real world advice. Remember that's all it is. We are all here to learn. Either way you go, when you eventually do run the cycle, good luck and happy gaining.

 

[cyrex]

I didn't mean to be sarcastic, I really appreciate and respect your comments. You weren't the only one to mention an unclean diet. I didn't convey the situation very well in my original post. It's my fault. I meant that I'd keep eating a nice clean diet (with a minor caloric deficit) after the cycle

and the 20-22% is not where I'll be when I start the cycle. I'm holding off a few weeks/months until i can fit into a new pair of jeans I just bought (about 1.5 sizes too small)

I'm as fat as I am right now not so much because of nutrition as it's because I've been sitting on my ass 24/7 for a 3 month period due to work. I work in an office and do some very intense computer work. Our company is fairly small. We had 3 people when I started and now we are up to 10 and will probably double this year. We are growing very fast, but those 3 months I was working 80-100 hours/week and absolutely had no time at all to workout at all. Sometime mid December I finished a huge project which left me with only 1 project of my own to manage and the 4 people that I directly manage have learned enough to run on autopilot for the most part with their projects. We've hired a Director of Operations who has taken some of the management load off of me as well so as the company is growing, I'm having to put less and less time into it where now I'm only working 45 hours/week which allows me enough time to workout every day if I want. So since sometime in Dec I've been lifting 4 out of every 6 days with a little bit of cardio in there and been consistantly losing 2-3 lbs per week. I know I could step up the cardio a bit and bump it up to 4 lbs/week(i've done more in the past) but I think 2-3 lbs/week is very good already. My strength is about at my personal best again now and my LBM is definately higher than it's ever been. Also my ~20-22% bf estimate comes from my scale (not calipers) so take those numbers with a grain of salt, it could be more, it could be less.

Luckily for me, I've never really liked things like potato chips, candy bars, chocolate, cake, baked goods, etc. When it comes to eating in the past, my weaknesses have been eating fast food and drinking soda where Soda is the #1 problem I've had. I've not had any for 3 months now and for the year before that I would only have some when i was at the movie theater or ate out on occasion and I didn't like the water the restaraunt had.



So to summarize:

My cycle:

Test E 250mg 2x/wk for 10-12 weeks (depends on how it goes and how much testicular atrophy I get as well as sides)
Nolvadex on hand
PCT Nolvadex

I have some Liquidex on hand also and based on recommendations I will probably take 1mg EOD to minimize fat gain and bloat. That way I can tell in the mirror what kind of adjustments I need to make to my diet.

I do not plan on starting the cycle until I drop some more fat, but when I try, fat slides right off me so hopefully it won't be too long.