Accutane while on Cycle?

[kronk]

Anyone ever taken accutane while on cycle? I am currently on a cycle of dbol 50mg ed, test 800mg a week, eq 600mg week, and wanted to know if I can take accutane while on cycle.

I am taking Flax Seed Oil, Milk Thystle 600mg a day and ALA, etc. Am I safe, (could talk to my dermo about it). I have been trying to get this script for a while and I just got it today.

Advice?

 

[KappaRaider]

No way bro! especially with the d-bol . i was in the same boat you are and i chose to wait. Take about 6 grams of b-5 ed that really helped me out. my back and shoulders broke out pretty bad when on juice.

 

[KappaRaider]

sorry, to give you a reason why----------------your liver!!!!!

 

[genarr3]

I wouldn't do it. Your Dermatologist will be taking monthly( that's what they did with me ) blood tests and if your values are high due to the AS there is a good chance they will take you off the Accutane.

 

[kronk]

Thanks guys, I appreaciate the info. My doc doesnt care about the test (I know, I know), he didnt even make me get one before.

I figured it was bad news and I should wait, but I really want these things gone.

Anyone else ever done these one cycle

 

[genarr3]

Thanks guys, I appreaciate the info. My doc doesnt care about the test (I know, I know), he didnt even make me get one before.

I figured it was bad news and I should wait, but I really want these things gone.

Anyone else ever done these one cycle

If your doctor doesn't care about the blood tests I would immediately go find another doctor. That has to be borderline malpractice. Sounds like your doc is a quack.

 

[kronk]

If your doctor doesn't care about the blood tests I would immediately go find another doctor. That has to be borderline malpractice. Sounds like your doc is a quack.

LMAO!

 

[Hoover]

Yeah definitely do not do both. Do the accutane alone. I took accutane back in HS about 5 years ago and the shit cleared me up. I used to have acne bad on my chest and back. My face was never a problem. Since then I have done a few cycle and acne is not a problem. I rarely get a pimple on my face. I dunno how someone can do accutane and juice at the same time. I was a wreck when on accutane. I was constantly applying chap stick, my skin was so dry, nosebleeds, and I was always tired. It was so embarrasing. People always asking me why you put chap stick on every 5 minutes. I hated life when on it. Mixing both is not a good idea.

 

[Lift or Die]

Accutane is not as harsh on the liver as everyone claims it to be. I have blood tests to prove it and this was during a cycle.

 

[the_only_sepe]

you might want to try what I am doing 40 mg. accutane a day for a week at the first signs of acne, to minimize break out.

 

[kronk]

Thanks guys, this is really good info. My dermo said the same thing (about it not being that hard on the liver), (I didnt tell him about AS) but did ask if I should take some liver detox and he told me that it is really not that hard on the liver at all. Thanks for the info, anyone else?

 

[Rémy!]

The risk is more dependent on your dosage, are you going all out with the roche accutane on full dose for bodyweight for a whole term (5months) .. its pretty bad .. but liver values at least for me were constantly perfect throught, or are you getting some custom accutane from another source and going at a low dose, many people off this board have done that with good results, but most custom accutane is shit quality.

With any regard get the liver values checked before going on, which is required anyway if your doing it through a md, this can tell you how your going to do, if liver values are great than I would say your ok, A doesn't vary them that much. If its border line than its your call, I personally wouldn't but if you do, than get some milk thistle throught just to be sure.

Don't mention the AS, if I were a doc with your health under my supervision I would prob not give it to you under the circumstances, he may be liable.

 

[luv2lift!]

Do you think I could get by with doing an eq, test, deca cycle while on accutane. The reason I ask this is that my derm has put me on a bunch of different shit over the last 3 months and nothing has helped, so I go see him next week and he told me last time that if my acne didn't clear up I was going to be put on accutane, but I am planning on starting a cycle.

 

[kronk]

Do you think I could get by with doing an eq, test, deca cycle while on accutane. The reason I ask this is that my derm has put me on a bunch of different shit over the last 3 months and nothing has helped, so I go see him next week and he told me last time that if my acne didn't clear up I was going to be put on accutane, but I am planning on starting a cycle.

I am doing a EQ, TEST, DBOL cycle right now with the accutane. Only going 80mg for first week, then down to 40mg a day. It is not custom accutane it is roche. Doing ALA, Milk Thystle, and Tylers Liver Detox.

 

[Sexual Mustard]

why not? I'm doing accutane right now with just about every steroid under the sun.....no probs. I think a lot of people just pass what they hear.

 

[KappaRaider]

i would try b-5 until your done with your cycle. i have really bad acne on chest and back and 6-grams ed of b-5 and my shit is clearing up real good. only been on it for 3 weeks. my skin is dry as fuck though. later ......kappa

 

[Slopain]

The first few guys who answered don't know what they are talking about. Many people have used it while on cycles (with much harder orals than dbol btw) without any problem, myself included. The best way to go about it is blood tests (which I thought were if not mandatory almost always done anyways) if you have any problems you will know in a max of 30 days and can stepit down or get off of either one. The sides of accutane in reguards to the liver are HIGHLY overstated, if you research it thats one of the first things that you will come across.

My advice is definetly get the blood tests, I get them even while off accutane and on cycle, I think its such a benefit and re-assurance to know for sure whats going on inside your body, instead of how you think your reacting to the AAS you know. Its defiently worth the peace of mind. Good luck if you use it, I think you will be happy it works very well while on cycle.

A tip is to start the accutane 2 months or so before the gear, as the first month to 2 months your acne might get worse before it gets better, so ideally you want to be hitting the good part just as you start your cycle. Good luck and get those blood tests!

 

[Japanese machine]

The first few guys who answered don't know what they are talking about. Many people have used it while on cycles (with much harder orals than dbol btw) without any problem, myself included. The best way to go about it is blood tests (which I thought were if not mandatory almost always done anyways) if you have any problems you will know in a max of 30 days and can stepit down or get off of either one. The sides of accutane in reguards to the liver are HIGHLY overstated, if you research it thats one of the first things that you will come across.

My advice is definetly get the blood tests, I get them even while off accutane and on cycle, I think its such a benefit and re-assurance to know for sure whats going on inside your body, instead of how you think your reacting to the AAS you know. Its defiently worth the peace of mind. Good luck if you use it, I think you will be happy it works very well while on cycle.

A tip is to start the accutane 2 months or so before the gear, as the first month to 2 months your acne might get worse before it gets better, so ideally you want to be hitting the good part just as you start your cycle. Good luck and get those blood tests!

EXACTLY! slopain is right on the money; i think the first few replies were "bandwagans"

i always front load accu at 40mg a day before hitting a cyclefor the first week and a half, then proceed at 10mgs /day during my cycling days, and guess what? no acne, i continue this throughout entire cycle and clomid therapy. i think taking a maintainace dose of 10mg a day with your cycle, is far better then having to put your body throught 40-80mg of the stuff post cycle; especially when your really supposed to be giving your body/organs a break between cycles, right?

then after the accutane cycle, you hit another cycle? hell IMO thats a hell of a lot more stressful then taking a low dose throughout your cycle.
JMO

 

[kronk]

The first few guys who answered don't know what they are talking about. Many people have used it while on cycles (with much harder orals than dbol btw) without any problem, myself included. The best way to go about it is blood tests (which I thought were if not mandatory almost always done anyways) if you have any problems you will know in a max of 30 days and can stepit down or get off of either one. The sides of accutane in reguards to the liver are HIGHLY overstated, if you research it thats one of the first things that you will come across.

My advice is definetly get the blood tests, I get them even while off accutane and on cycle, I think its such a benefit and re-assurance to know for sure whats going on inside your body, instead of how you think your reacting to the AAS you know. Its defiently worth the peace of mind. Good luck if you use it, I think you will be happy it works very well while on cycle.

A tip is to start the accutane 2 months or so before the gear, as the first month to 2 months your acne might get worse before it gets better, so ideally you want to be hitting the good part just as you start your cycle. Good luck and get those blood tests!

Thanks bro. Yea, that is how I took the first few responses as well, that why I could only laugh. My dermo told me the same thing about accutane on the liver. He said it is really not that harsh at all. I am still going to do the Tylers Liver Detox, ALA and Milk Thystle just to be safe. But I am going to continue with the accutane. Thanks for an intelligant thought out response, I appreaciate it very much.

 

[Slopain]

Thanks bro. Yea, that is how I took the first few responses as well, that why I could only laugh. My dermo told me the same thing about accutane on the liver. He said it is really not that harsh at all. I am still going to do the Tylers Liver Detox, ALA and Milk Thystle just to be safe. But I am going to continue with the accutane. Thanks for an intelligant thought out response, I appreaciate it very much.

Always safe to use the milk thistle, and remember to get those blood tests they should only cost 40-$110 a month and they are very much worth it. Good luck.

 

[KappaRaider]

Ohh ok im just jumping on Bandwagon. Had a training partner who got a script for accutane. got blood work done everthing was fine. went in 2nd month of accutane cycle, his cholesterol levels were elevated, nothing serious but elevated. he decided to start AS cycle. after 1 month of AS he went to get blood work done again. cholesteral levels were off the roof and he was put on meds and taken off Acutane and As. So what im saying is i wouldnt recommend it. Im not jumping on the bandwagon, im telling you it would probably be benificial if you waited.

 

[Slopain]

Ohh ok im just jumping on Bandwagon. Had a training partner who got a script for accutane. got blood work done everthing was fine. went in 2nd month of accutane cycle, his cholesterol levels were elevated, nothing serious but elevated. he decided to start AS cycle. after 1 month of AS he went to get blood work done again. cholesteral levels were off the roof and he was put on meds and taken off Acutane and As. So what im saying is i wouldnt recommend it. Im not jumping on the bandwagon, im telling you it would probably be benificial if you waited.

Why take it personally? The goal is to share accurate info not to flame or take offense bro. With all due respect you need to consider the larger picture, you have 1 friend that had problems. I know many (confirmable) people on the boards and in person that have used it without any problems. Your buddy had some problems, and got off of it b/c he was smart and had blood tests and is healthy now.

 

[Riker29]

I have to disagree with Slopain (kinda) on this one.

The cool thing about Slopain and others like him is that you CAN disagree with him without him turning into a whining little bitch like many guys do when what they say is "questioned".

But I digress.

Actually I don’t disagree with him all THAT much.

I just think that:

Accutane DOES cause a lot of discomfort for many people. It makes your skin dry, it can elevate cholesterol (a LOT and very quickly for some). It can have some side effects such as fatigue, headaches, etc (although rare). Now for me, I think that if someone is going to do AS, they should work to MAXIMIZE the effectiveness of AS. Eat right, train right, etc. I know when I did Accutane I HAD to eat a very low cholesterol diet - now how can you do THAT while eating to maximize your gains? Plus, the way I felt when on Accutane, did NOT lend itself to training that much at all.

Plus, the stress on the liver issue. Slopain is right, I think itis over-rated. However I would say then that it should be something that is at least checked, to be safe. And how do you explain that to a Doc? Many docs will not check Liver values while on Accutane (at least to my knowledge) they just check cholesterol. So - are you comfortable enough with your Doc to tell him he should also get liver values checked as well? Do you tell your Doc when you are on?

(Those are NOT meant as sarcastic questions, just stuff to think about).

So, I just think that if its an option, that separating an Accutane cycle from an AS cycle is a good idea. It allows you to maximize your training and eating while on AS to get maximum benefits from your AS cycle. It would then allow you to do what was necessary (which may include diet modifications) in order to have a safe and effective Accutane regimen as well.

If someone does do both at the same time, I would watch the following:

Hold off from doing a lot of Oral AS, which might add to the liver stresses.

Get liver values checked at regular intervals.

WATCH the cholesterol levels throughout as well.

Do your best to balance the diet needs of the AS cycle with that of the Accutane regimen.

 

[Riker29]

Ohh ok im just jumping on Bandwagon. Had a training partner who got a script for accutane. got blood work done everthing was fine. went in 2nd month of accutane cycle, his cholesterol levels were elevated, nothing serious but elevated. he decided to start AS cycle. after 1 month of AS he went to get blood work done again. cholesteral levels were off the roof and he was put on meds and taken off Acutane and As.

Yup - as I said.

Either AS or Accutane alone can raise cholesterol. Both at the same time can get to be a problem.

From what I know, elevated cholesterol, within reasonable limits, for a brief period of time for an otherwise healthy individual should not be a problem.

It SHOULDN'T be a problem.

 

[Japanese machine]

Ohh ok im just jumping on Bandwagon. Had a training partner who got a script for accutane. got blood work done everthing was fine. went in 2nd month of accutane cycle, his cholesterol levels were elevated, nothing serious but elevated. he decided to start AS cycle. after 1 month of AS he went to get blood work done again. cholesteral levels were off the roof and he was put on meds and taken off Acutane and As. So what im saying is i wouldnt recommend it. Im not jumping on the bandwagon, im telling you it would probably be benificial if you waited.

i was wrong to use the word "bandwagan", i apologize for that, but you left out information on how high of a dose your friend was taking, aswell as if he was taking liver protectors.

and also somepeople have harsher reactions then others, i myself always stuck to low doses during cycles instead of high doses after. i have gotten extremely good results this way.

 

[Slopain]

I have to disagree with Slopain (kinda) on this one.

The cool thing about Slopain and others like him is that you CAN disagree with him without him turning into a whining little bitch like many guys do when what they say is "questioned".

But I digress.

Actually I don’t disagree with him all THAT much.

I just think that:

Accutane DOES cause a lot of discomfort for many people. It makes your skin dry, it can elevate cholesterol (a LOT and very quickly for some). It can have some side effects such as fatigue, headaches, etc (although rare). Now for me, I think that if someone is going to do AS, they should work to MAXIMIZE the effectiveness of AS. Eat right, train right, etc. I know when I did Accutane I HAD to eat a very low cholesterol diet - now how can you do THAT while eating to maximize your gains? Plus, the way I felt when on Accutane, did NOT lend itself to training that much at all.

I think the distinction between discomfort and dangerous to health is the issue here, I didn't mention any issues reguarding discomfort as this wasn't the intentioon of his post, and in addition to that if you can't take discomfort or even pain this is the wrong hobby/lifestyle. The cholesterol issue is the most valid, and although they do tend to waiver somewhat they usually stay within the healthy values if not slightly above the cut off which is still relatively safe. The question as I took it was about the general safety of using accutane with a cycle. I and some buddies that I train with in real life (as well as many vets on the boards) did cycle (me and my real life buddies cycled heavily) and use accutane with great success, and I think the benefits far out weigh the risks. And as long as you have monthly blood tests, I don't think there is any remote danger as long as you stay healthy (that is not drinking a 6 pack a night, eating buckets of fried chicken).

They key here is blood tests, doctor supervision, and general health. If you are one of those bulkers that eats fast food, fried chicken, and anything insight without reguards to health I dont think you'd be too concerned about your health for the 4-6 months your on accutane as you don't care about your health period.

Safe with doctor supervison and monthly blood tests? I think yes.

Discomfort: I think nothing you cannot handle at all if your serious about bodybuilding and train with discipline.

 

[Riker29]

Safe with doctor supervison and monthly blood tests? I think yes.

Discomfort: I think nothing you cannot handle at all if your serious about bodybuilding and train with discipline.

I agree with the first point. Either way, routine blood tests of cholesterol AND liver values will be the key to making sure everything is fine. Again there is not a great risk, just something to be aware of.

On the 2nd, the key is if the person IS serious. I believe more and more that many guys on this board think that AS is magic, and they truly just take "whatever" and expect to look huge and ripped from the AS. I tend to think its best when someone does whatever he can to "maximize" the effectiveness of everything he is doing. This is easier for some, and more difficult for others. I think that the various discomforts which come with Accutane use could throw some guys off, but Slopian is right, the truly balls-out dedicated guys whill handle it just fine.

Just get some Blistex for your lips.

 

[KappaRaider]

Sorry to bump this back up here, but i just wanted to say----Im sorry if i got snippy, just wanted to apoligize and just want to say go ahead and try it out you will probably be fine, just make sure you get your blood work done, just like eveyone else on AS should. Slopain you made a good point, The test must be getting too me

 

[Slopain]

Sorry to bump this back up here, but i just wanted to say----Im sorry if i got snippy, just wanted to apoligize and just want to say go ahead and try it out you will probably be fine, just make sure you get your blood work done, just like eveyone else on AS should. Slopain you made a good point, The test must be getting too me

hehe We all know how it is Kappa, I think we need more intelligent debates on this board and less flaming, its obvious that you also agree. We all got test in our veins, but must remember that this board is out surrogate family in that we understand each other in a way 99% of the population doesnt. good post.

 

[Riker29]

I authored a rather lengthy "info" post about Accutane a while back. I have gotten a lot of good feedback from it, so I am including a link here so it might help some guys:

http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=848140#post848140

Positive Karma is appreciated.

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

great post to bring back up to anyone interested in doing accutane such as myself...

Slo, instead of starting a new thread i thought id bring this back up for ya to comment on...

1 gram of test/600 mgs of deca.....im sure doing accutane on that isnt too bad...

but what about if i wanted to do 5 weeks of dbol at 50mgs and 5 weeks of anadrols...slo seems to be saying that, as long as blood work is constantly done, which it will be, that it is a possibility...