Abstract for those who believe d-bol is only good for adding "water-weight",hehheh...

[GaryWary]

Dbol is the forgotten steroid - the Cinderella steroid. It never gets to go to the ball.. Many people pass on the dbol because they want the fancy smancy expensive stuff. Some people are just scared stupid by dbols supposed health dangers. There is no better cheaper steroid. Even if dbol was as expensive as winny or anavar - dbol is still the better drug.

I like dbol.

 

[Bill W]

Gary,
I would vote on deca as being the forgotten steroid. Its safe, available, affordable but people seem to be ignoring it. I don't understand why people don't advocate the old deca/dbol cycle for newbies anymore.

 

[panerai]

You have to find what works for you better, and consider price and availability.
For the price, nothing can beat dbol (among orals).

 

[GaryWary]

Gary,
I would vote on deca as being the forgotten steroid. Its safe, available, affordable but people seem to be ignoring it. I don't understand why people don't advocate the old deca/dbol cycle for newbies anymore.

Easy answer - everybody is terrified of deca dick - me included... This brings me onto a question regarding deca. If you did an 8 week cycle, and used dbol or test in addition to deca, would you experience negative post-cycle sexual sides greater than normal?

The sexual side problem should be addressed. That is the only reason that deca is overlooked (unless you are a drug tested of course, in which case you ignore it cos it is detectable for ages).

 

[Guiness]

Intersting post. I used to swear I would never do Dbol until last year I bought 100 to through in with my Aratest. I will never not use it. The stuff is great. Even if you don't add "real" muscle or whatever that is, you do put on size immediately and strength goes through the roof which is great for when the test kicks in. I also think dbol alone works well because my first time using it I think the Aratest was junk. After the dbol was stopped I didn't gain anymore weight, I did still manage to keep it on.

 

[Dooley]

Besides, this is not a credible experiment and was not published in a credible journal

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Hey Stew... no flame or anything, just wanted to let you know that Clinical Science is a pretty reputable journal. One thing that some of you may not have noticed tho about that abstract was that it was done in the early 80's. It might be beneficial for the scientific world to update the study using more modern techniques and safety precautions IMO.

 

[gtaman]

Dbol is the forgotten steroid - the Cinderella steroid. It never gets to go to the ball.. Many people pass on the dbol because they want the fancy smancy expensive stuff. Some people are just scared stupid by dbols supposed health dangers. There is no better cheaper steroid. Even if dbol was as expensive as winny or anavar - dbol is still the better drug.

I like dbol.

Gary, well dbol does have some sides, it's hard on the hairline for example. And I'm a pretty boy who worries about that stuff.

PS I've been gobbling dbol like candy for much of this cycle.

PPS 100 mg??? Geez and I feel guilty if I take 50.

 

[Fonz]

Dianabol often gets a bad rap for being nothing more than a "bloating" drug.While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema,once the drug has been administered for consecutive weeks,many subsequent anabolic reactions take place(more than are listed in this study)and true HYPERTROPHY is realized.And contrary to popular opinion,it does not all fade away after discontinuation.They don't call it the breakfast of champions for nothingEnjoy my brothas....

Clin Sci (Colch) 1981 Apr;60(4):457-61


Effects of methandienone on the performance and body composition of men undergoing athletic training.

Hervey GR, Knibbs AV, Burkinshaw L, Morgan DB, Jones PR, Chettle DR, Vartsky D.


1. In a previous study of the effects of methandienone (Dianabol) on men undergoing athletic training, strength and performance increased, but not significantly more when the subjects were taking the drug than when they were taking placebo. The subjects did, however, gain more weight on the drug, with increases in total body potassium and muscle dimensions. It remained an open question whether the muscles had gained normal tissue or intracellular fluid. 2. In an attempt to distinguish between these possibilities the trial has been repeated, using as subjects seven male weight-lifters in regular training, and including measurements of total body nitrogen. As before, a dose of 100 mg of met


A few things that should be added:

This info was read from the old clinical trials performed
by Ciba(The original maker of Methandrostenelone) in
the 1960's. They are NOT online. You have to go to a library
and look for them.

1. Dball increases your average testosterone level by 5 times.

So, if its 500, then it'll go up to 2500

So, in terms of anabolicity it is similiar to about 200mg test.

However, here is where Dianabol REALLY WORKS:

It is capable of reducing endogeneous CORTISONE
by 50-70%, making it the mother of ALL anti-catabolics
(except fina but thats different).

This is why Dianabol works on EVERYBODY. It really
doesn't raise test levels that much, but it has an AMAZING
impact on muscle catabolism.

The reason why Deca/dball stacks SO WELL is that
while the Dball is VERY anti-catabolic, the Deca
is HIGHLY anabolic. In essence they complement each other
perfectly.
If you don't grow off Deca/dball you won't grow of ANYHTHING.
No matter how fancy you get.

Also, the longer its used the higher the GH and IGF-1 levels
it is able to produce from its pass through the liver.

Fonz

 

[alanchiras]

This is the drug regiem my HIV doc put me on (+Androgel). See my routine and questions on the AIDS section of this board. Thanks!

 

[berlin-ef]

Dianabol often gets a bad rap for being nothing more than a "bloating" drug.While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema,once the drug has been administered for consecutive weeks,many subsequent anabolic reactions take place(more than are listed in this study)and true HYPERTROPHY is realized.And contrary to popular opinion,it does not all fade away after discontinuation.They don't call it the breakfast of champions for nothingEnjoy my brothas....

Clin Sci (Colch) 1981 Apr;60(4):457-61


Effects of methandienone on the performance and body composition of men undergoing athletic training.

Hervey GR, Knibbs AV, Burkinshaw L, Morgan DB, Jones PR, Chettle DR, Vartsky D.

1. In a previous study of the effects of methandienone (Dianabol) on men undergoing athletic training, strength and performance increased, but not significantly more when the subjects were taking the drug than when they were taking placebo. The subjects did, however, gain more weight on the drug, with increases in total body potassium and muscle dimensions. It remained an open question whether the muscles had gained normal tissue or intracellular fluid. 2. In an attempt to distinguish between these possibilities the trial has been repeated, using as subjects seven male weight-lifters in regular training, and including measurements of total body nitrogen. As before, a dose of 100 mg of methandienone/day was given alternately with the placebo in a double-blind crossover experiment. The treatment periods lasted 6 weeks and were separated by an interval of 6 weeks. Body weight, potassium and nitrogen, muscle size, and leg performance and strength increased significantly during training on the drug, but not during the placebo period. 3. The finding of increased body nitrogen suggested that the weight gain was not only intracellular fluid. The increases in body potassium (436 +/- SEM 41 mmol) and nitrogen (255 +/- 69 g) were too large in proportion to the weight gain (2.3 +/- 0.4 kg) for this to be attributed to gain of normal muscle or other lean tissue, and imply gain of nitrogen-rich, phosphate-poor substance. Although this action of methandienone might be described as anabolic, the weight gain produced is not normal muscle.

The first thing that strikes me is that they never mentioned bodyfat at all. So, if the lean mass gain was out of line with the scale weight increase, that just tells me that they didn't check for a drop in bodyfat as an offset. It sounds to me like they ASSumed that there would be no body comp changes so they never checked for one.