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...k - she is one over and SEVEN shots behind the leader......that translates to being close to 30 shots back by the end of the tourney assuming she makes cuts(which I dont think she will after Fri)...


Now - can someone explain why she is "doing so well.", because frankly, I do not see it....
 
Cornholio said:
no...she is not doing well......period.
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Her goal was to shoot par and she got pretty close. As far as bookmakers in Las Vegas it was expected to shoot within 75-77 range..So by those standards she is doing wel..
 
What I don't like about all this nonsense is that Annika NEVER HAD TO QUALIFY to play in the tournament. The PGA gave her an automatic "bye" to ensure that she would play, for they knew that there is a VERY strong possibility that she would not have even made it out of the qualifiers. This is just bullshit to appease the fem-Nazis that are pissed off that the Augusta Golf Course in Georgia is still ALL MALE, no matter how much protesting occurs. This is a PR tactic, pure and simple.
 
Sundance said:


Her goal was to shoot par and she got pretty close. As far as bookmakers in Las Vegas it was expected to shoot within 75-77 range..So by those standards she is doing wel..
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...so the best womens plyer in the world was predicted by Vegas to shoot 24 over for the tourney??


Thats dicked up
 
Cornholio said:


...so the best womens plyer in the world was predicted by Vegas to shoot 24 over for the tourney??


Thats dicked up
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Your math is wrong...IT was expected to shoot 5-6 over par...She was just 1 shot over par and within range to make the cut which would be considered quite a success..

I shoot 24 over par...:D
 
Cornholio said:


...so the best womens plyer in the world was predicted by Vegas to shoot 24 over for the tourney??


Thats dicked up
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75 is just 5 over par....Being only over par is considered a success and she has good cahnces to make the cut ...

PS> 94 would have been 24 over...
 
out_at_sea said:


75 is just 5 over par....Being only over par is considered a success and she has good cahnces to make the cut ...

PS> 94 would have been 24 over...
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76 was the average that was given on the spread....that would be 24 over...I was extrapolatinig for the tourney...how did yall miss that in light of my previous post:

k - she is one over and SEVEN shots behind the leader......that translates to being close to 30 shots back by the end of the tourney assuming she makes cuts(which I dont think she will after Fri)...
 
It's another useless publicity stunt that has no relevance to anything.

Why is it important that ONE female golfer feels it necessary to TEST herself against the men. Is it not enough for her to be considered the best female golfer in the world.

It proves nothing, other than giving her publicity which she probably doesn't feel she gets enough of on the women's circuit.

If she's really serious about it, why doesn't she apply for full professional status on the male tour. After winning no tournaments and coming midfield at best in each tournament she plays, the golfing world and the media will soon forget about her and she'll go running back to the women's tour to regain her status as the best Women's player.
 
I have no qualms with her competing and using the mens tees which she did....BUT.....still the question remains:

WHy is the media hyping her performance, especially in light of the strength of the field??
 
Cornholio said:
I have no qualms with her competing and using the mens tees which she did....BUT.....still the question remains:

WHy is the media hyping her performance, especially in light of the strength of the field??
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I guess it makes headlines........just as they would of bagged her if she missed the cut
 
vinylgroover said:


I guess it makes headlines........just as they would of bagged her if she missed the cut
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But if the top amauteur male shot over par today...it would hardly be considered stellar.

She wont make the cut tomorrow
 
HULKSTER said:
What I don't like about all this nonsense is that Annika NEVER HAD TO QUALIFY to play in the tournament. The PGA gave her an automatic "bye" to ensure that she would play, for they knew that there is a VERY strong possibility that she would not have even made it out of the qualifiers.
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That is complete BS! I have no problem with her wanting to play since she is playing from the Championship tees. However, she should have to qualify just like everyone else.

The sad thing about this is she didn't really want to do it. You know her publicist and her agent were the ones that pushed this.
 
Hannibal said:


That is complete BS! I have no problem with her wanting to play since she is playing from the Championship tees. However, she should have to qualify just like everyone else.

The sad thing about this is she didn't really want to do it. You know her publicist and her agent were the ones that pushed this.
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Wrong! No everyone has to qualify as there are always exemptions that are given to those who can bring money or deserve them..

IT happens all the time and not only in golf..Tennis has its shares too...
 
Cornholio said:


But if the top amauteur male shot over par today...it would hardly be considered stellar.

She wont make the cut tomorrow
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Hence the ridiculous double standard about this whole farce.

On the one hand everyone wants to break down the gender thing and it shouldn't matter that she's a female.........on the other hand, she performs moderately when looking at her performance irrespective of gender, yet she is then given publicity for doing well which implies that her gender is again brought back into the equation.
 
For Pete Sampras to play at the Rolland Garros , he will need an exemption as he hasnt played in more than a half a year so he hasnt enough pts to be palying without going thru qualifications.

The sponsor has the lattitude to use their exemptions as tehy feel like in order to bring revenue and atract people to the game..Same applies to Anika..
 
for the record....I think her short game and golfing mind is EXTREMELY sharp.....he only "weakness" is lack of 100 yards from the tees...factor that out and she is right there.
 
She will have a tough go of it tomorrow. The fairways will be extra soggy and muddy and the ball won't roll once it hits the fairways on the drive. That will make her approach shots extra long and less accurate.

If she makes the cut, she will be near the cut line which will be near the bottom. She will probably need to be under par to just make the cut. Take nothing away from her. She is a great player in her home league of the LPGA.

I think the LPGA is behind this whole charade to try and boost sagging TV ratings and purses.
 
For all the pressure she was under, and the sheer change in difficulty of the game compared to what she is used to playing, you have to realize she performed very well. She almost shot par for god's sake. In a PGA event. Most people assumed she would go stink it up. Who wouldn't? If you think +1 is stinking it up and not performing well, you don't watch or play much golf.


Obviously this has a lot of publicity around it, but that is beside the point. I'm not saying she is going to win the masters, but she did show it wasn't all completely a publicity stunt. She does have some business being there.

Also, no one ever repeats their performance from round to round in any tournament. You can't assume she'll be 30 shots back at the end. It's not that uniform.
 
slickdadd said:
Also, no one ever repeats their performance from round to round in any tournament. You can't assume she'll be 30 shots back at the end. It's not that uniform.
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...while that may be true I guarantee she will shoot worse tomorrow - the course will be in terrible shape
 
oh yeah - I DO play golf.....she is not to be judged by shooting par - you are judged against the field in which you are involved....I would expect to best womens player in the world to shoot a little better than par
 
Cornholio said:


...while that may be true I guarantee she will shoot worse tomorrow - the course will be in terrible shape
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True. It could happen.

I also wanted to add, she might have been 30 strokes behind the leader in theory, but she also would be some strokes ahead of a lot of other PGA players. That says quite a bit for any doubt surrounding her.

Anyway, I'm not behind her or against her, but she did get my attention playing almost even par. Rightfully so.
 
slickdadd said:


True. It could happen.

I also wanted to add, she might have been 30 strokes behind the leader in theory, but she also would be some strokes ahead of a lot of other PGA players. That says quite a bit for any doubt surrounding her.

Anyway, I'm not behind her or against her, but she did get my attention playing almost even par. Rightfully so.
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The field in this tournament is missing a lot of the top world class players who usually play. That makes a difference too.

No doubt she has talent (she even beat her two co-players today) but if she makes it to the third and fourth rounds, don't expect to see her near the top.

In order for her to compete on the PGA level, she must shoot 2 - 4 under par every round with a blistering round thrown in every so often. I personally don't think she has the strength to compete on a weekly basis on the PGA level.
 
HumorMe said:



The field in this tournament is missing a lot of the top world class players who usually play. That makes a difference too.

No doubt she has talent (she even beat her two co-players today) but if she makes it to the third and fourth rounds, don't expect to see her near the top.

In order for her to compete on the PGA level, she must shoot 2 - 4 under par every round with a blistering round thrown in every so often. I personally don't think she has the strength to compete on a weekly basis on the PGA level.
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I understand that, but all I'm saying is it isn't such a black and white issue of "women can't play with men." Clearly they can. Or at least she can. These were still professional players. She was under a lot of pressure and still performed that well. She deserves some credit. I don't expect her to win, but she might be in some events.
 
She's tied with sergio garcia...right? I don't care what anyone says one over par is a good round of golf...especially for a woman driving from the men's tees.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
I don't care what anyone says one over par is a good round of golf...
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...but the bottom line is that she is 7 shots behind after day 1...
 
slickdadd said:


I understand that, but all I'm saying is it isn't such a black and white issue of "women can't play with men." Clearly they can. Or at least she can. These were still professional players. She was under a lot of pressure and still performed that well. She deserves some credit. I don't expect her to win, but she might be in some events.
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I clearly agree with that. She does deserve credit. She beat my expectations by a long shot but each day is a different story.

Clearly she plays well under pressure. I think if any woman makes a statement in the PGA, she will be the one.

The only thing I'm worried about is what is going to happen when other women want to play a few rounds on the PGA. Then there is a problem. I don't know any professional men golfers who want to play on the LPGA.
 
Oh, and it really doesn't matter what anyone else is doing, she had a good round...I've seen tiger come out of the first round over par a few times if I'm not mistaken.

Just imagine how nervous she must have been, I think considering the whole scene...it was a good round.

And she missed quite a few birdie puts (where nerves really come into play)...she could very well be alot closer to the top...
 
FORT WORTH, Texas -- By her standards and certainly by the standards of a hopeful public, Annika Sorenstam played well Thursday at the Bank of America Colonial. But if the first woman in a PGA Tour event in 58 years wants to make more than history -- specifically, if she wants to make the cut -- she's going to have to make some putts.


Among the unique moments Thursday was this hug between Aaron Barber and Annika Sorenstam, probably the first (and last) embrace he's ever received after a round.

Playing golf so conservatively it could serve in the Bush cabinet, Sorenstam shot a one-birdie, two-bogey, 1-over 71, which is tied for 73rd, seven strokes behind the leader, Rory Sabbatini. With a 36-hole cut of the low 70 players and ties, she is, if you will, in no man's land.
 
slickdadd said:


So anything less than winning her first tournament is totally meaningless?
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...she wont win "a" tournament....

but not the point of the thread at all.

the point is:

Why is the media over-gyping the situation simply because of gender
 
Bulldog_10 said:
I don't care what anyone says one over par is a good round of golf...especially for a woman driving from the men's tees.
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But see here's my problem with that. If you say she played well...you can't throw in that "for a woman playing from men's tees". If she wants to be a "golfer" (non gender specific) playing on the PGA tour then that is how she should be measured.

I have nothing but respect for her ability. None of my previous statements were against her. Whether I agree with what she is doing or not...she is handling it like a true professional, and showing some doubters that she can play. As long as everyone has to play by the same rules I say let the best players compete regardless.
 
Hannibal said:


But see here's my problem with that. If you say she played well...you can't throw in that "for a woman playing from men's tees". If she wants to be a "golfer" (non gender specific) playing on the PGA tour then that is how she should be measured.

I have nothing but respect for her ability. None of my previous statements were against her. Whether I agree with what she is doing or not...she is handling it like a true professional, and showing some doubters that she can play. As long as everyone has to play by the same rules I say let the best players compete regardless.
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I knew someone was gonna say that. But let's be real here...men and women are different, and a man has a definite advantage over a woman on the tees. Of course, there were some men that annika outdrove:)
 
this tournament is one of the shorter easiest courses. It brings every golfer into the game. If she had to play the masters or any US open course or a british open course, she would finish at least 10 over par.
 
i have to claim some ignorance here ... is she teeing off at the same tee as the men? if so, then 11 back is pretty competitive. lpga tee distances are shorter. considering, power and swing velocity, her drive distance puts her at a disadvantage.
 
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