AAS is not cheating

[F117A Active Stealth]

I was thinking about this, and I've come to the conclusion that using AAS is not cheating at all.

Even in sports like the Olympics, or Baseball/Football, etc.

If someone has the genetics to get 19" arms naturally, and someone has to use the sauce to get those 19" pipes, then how is that cheating??

I would look at it more like a great equalizer (to take the term from Gun enthusiasts)

One thing I do know is that too many people use AAS for the wrong reasons...

 

[BigB_79]

I use aas because I dont have enough hair on my chest, stomach, and back. It does wonders for that.

 

[majutsu]

I see your point, I like AAS because I have crappy genetics. I am an ectomorphic hardgainer. AAS (even modest) equalizes things to wear I can derive some satisfaction from my workouts, keep at it and keep healthy. I always thought the argument tossed to newbs, "You are not gifted or experienced enough to merit AAS was odd." If I had Arnold's body in his teens (genetics) or a perfect body naturally with standard diet and training advice, I wouldn't be interested in AAS really. AAS is a great equalizer, that gives every man a chance at a healthy, mesomorphic life, even if god didn't roll that set of dice at birth.

 

[Frackal]

Most of us on this board have moved beyond this silly notion of some tangible line between cheating and not cheating.

 

[pyrros dimas]

Cheating or not cheating who really gives a fuck? Once you've used AS you've crossed over to cheating and it's too late to turn back.

As far as cheating goes, it IS cheating if it's NOT allowed and YOU 'DECIDE' to do it anyway, thereby BREAKING the rules.

If it is against the rules and you decide to do 'it ('it' meaning anything is this context) than you are a fucking cheater AND it DOES matter.

The guy who has 19" arms using AS vs. would get smoked by the guy who has 19" naturally 'if' the guy who has 19" arms nauturally decided to use AS. Simple logic would tell you that!

 

[BigAndy69]

AS are not a substitute for bad genetics. Never will be.

Some are born good looking, some are born smart and some are born jacked. Some like me are all three lol

 

[Triggerman2003]

AS may not be a substitute for bad genetics, .........but..It sure helps, and some of the gains are permanent. As far as cheating goes, well this is the way I see it, if you use gear and don't workout you get nothing but side effects. But a person who is natural has to workout and so does gear users, only difference other than taking AS, is that the gains may come a little faster than the natural, and gear users have to work harder to keep the gains whereas the natural won't lose the muscle like gearheads will if they quit working out, they only lose the strength and firmness, unless their diet causes their body to use muscle instead of fat.

 

[RADAR]

besides there are some benefits that are healthy for us older guys!!!! other than i can beat all your asses!!!!


RADAR

 

[bigsonrising]

I don't care, a good friend told me once

"If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin'."

WORKS FOR ME

 

[paramuscle]

The thing is, we are all attempting to get bigger. If you weren't serious about getting bigger, you wouldn't be reading this thread. How can you say something is cheating when your whole life should revolve around getting as f**king huge as possible. If you just wanted to look good, there wouldn't be a need for AS. AS is a tool, it should be looked upon as a useful resource in the fight to get big. If the supp ban goes into effect, are you gonna say that hormones are cheating. Cheating, don't be so f**king niave. EVERY single bodybuilder on the O stage is a f**king cheater then huh? how is stepping up to the plate cheating? The standards were set long before our time, people have been juicing for years and a sensible approach can be a healthy addition to the lifestyle we have chosen. So you think natural is better? Fine, don't critisize me or someone else and call us cheaters. Because naturally, you will never be as big as me.

 

[javaguru]

1. If it's against the rules you're cheating, period.

2. AAS allow you to exceed your genetic limits to an extent. I had a five year period where I didn't use AAS and I dropped from 250lbs at 12% BF to 225lbs 12% BF over a 3-4 year period. I started again and am steady at 250lbs.

 

[Silent Method]

1. If it's against the rules you're cheating, period.

Exactly what I was thinking.

However, in such organized sport where they are banned, if the majority of athletes against whom you are competing are using steroids, the question is this: Are you really cheating against the competetion, or are you cheating against an organization?

 

[liftsiron]

1. If it's against the rules you're cheating, period.

2. AAS allow you to exceed your genetic limits to an extent. I had a five year period where I didn't use AAS and I dropped from 250lbs at 12% BF to 225lbs 12% BF over a 3-4 year period. I started again and am steady at 250lbs.


If everyone else is using steroids to compete and you're not, the only cheating that is being done is that you are cheating yourself.

Drug testing, cheating just more bullshit politics.

 

[bicepts101]

"cheating'' is what natural trainers call it.

and if they could get their hands on it you wouldnt hear them crying "cheaters"

all in all who the fuck cares, i would rather spend my money on something that works rather then most of the bullshit supps out there

 

[Gigantasor]

I have cheated all my life. How do you think I got my BS? I agree with many of you Who cares it it is cheating or not.

My body, my time, my drive, blood, sweat, and pain. If I feal I must cheat to reach my potential and then surpass it then right on I'm on track once again and doing what I do best.

I agree in that I do not think it is cheating. Cheating implies that there is some sort of fair competition taking place. The world is unfair and I don't give a damn if the guy next to me is built like a mop or a dump truck. I'm still gonna do what I'm gonna do to make my own goals and gains. It wouldn't matter what the other guy did.

In my mind I'm not in a competition with anyone but myself. Therefor, if I am going to cheat I am only going to cheat myself and to do that I would have to not take the gear cause then I would be missing out on a lot of what I am working so hard to gain.

those are just my flawed thoughts though.

 

[paramuscle]

rock on brother! excellent reply!!

 

[GawdsGift]

i use aas for 2 reasons physical endurance and strength for WORK and sex appeal.

on one hand it is cheating because i wouldnt be able to do the things i could do if it wasn't for aas, and there for it gives me a edge on the rest of my co-workers.

on the other hand if girls can have alll this custmising done to their bodies, so can i.. so its not cheating, guess it all matters on why your taking it.

 

[javaguru]

If everyone else is using steroids to compete and you're not, the only cheating that is being done is that you are cheating yourself.

Drug testing, cheating just more bullshit politics.

Well, in HS football I didn't use steroids and others did so they certainly were cheating. In certain instances like the IFBB you can make a case that drug use isn't cheating because the rules are there to ensure no competitor has an unfair advantage. As we all know, every pro on the Olympia stage is a steroid user and therefore he isn't cheating by the spirit of the rule but just the letter. However, a steroid user entering a lifetime natural event is definitely a cheater hands down because they do have an unfair advantage against their competition.

 

[Juice Authority]

One thing I do know is that too many people use AAS for the wrong reasons...

Yeah, are you one of those "people"?

 

[liftsiron]

One thing I do know is that too many people use AAS for the wrong reasons...

Please define the wrong reasons.

 

[Him1]

Please define the wrong reasons.

The 'Spring Break Club' who works out 3 months out of the year on gear for the hot months are using it for the wrong reasons... and it's downright stupid.

 

[F117A Active Stealth]

Well, to me anyway, wrong reasons would be:

1. To look good for women.

Basically any amount of muscle mass will look good to a girl as long as you're cut.

I've seen girls think guys with 14" arms are huge, simply because these guys are pretty cut.

And I have a buddy who actually shrunk down to 16" because at 17" most girls would tell him he was too big? WTF??

Why do you need to waste $$$ and time to juice if all you want is to get layed? I agree with an Article in T-Mag where it says that basically the only reason built guys get layed more often is because their looks give them more confidence. I think in most cases that's true. Of course if a girl works out, then it's a totally different story.

2. To be the biggest guy in the block.

I wouldn't really consider this to be that bad, but it's not necessary. It's a false sense of power. Seriously, when a little skinny dork can pull out a TEC-9 on you, what difference does it make if you're 350lbs?

I was one of those nerds in school who got picked on constantly, so I took up bodybuilding as a way of intimidating my enemies. It worked to a certain extent, but there's a limit where size is not useful anyone.

I rather have 16" arms and know how to fight than 20" arms and get my ass whopped open.

Right now my arms are 17", but I'm not cut, BF about 20% which I have to lower.

My goal is 18" arms, but you're trading off fighting ability with this. I've done some Judo, and I've seen how easy it is to grab big guys and toss them down. It's pointless to want to get huge.


Please don't take any of this personal, as I am just talking in general, and not really at anyone specific.

The honest truth is, if using AAS helps you with your goal in life, then you're doing the right thing for you...

 

[BigAndy69]

Well, to me anyway, wrong reasons would be:

1. To look good for women.

Basically any amount of muscle mass will look good to a girl as long as you're cut.

I've seen girls think guys with 14" arms are huge, simply because these guys are pretty cut.

And I have a buddy who actually shrunk down to 16" because at 17" most girls would tell him he was too big? WTF??

Why do you need to waste $$$ and time to juice if all you want is to get layed? I agree with an Article in T-Mag where it says that basically the only reason built guys get layed more often is because their looks give them more confidence. I think in most cases that's true. Of course if a girl works out, then it's a totally different story.

2. To be the biggest guy in the block.

I wouldn't really consider this to be that bad, but it's not necessary. It's a false sense of power. Seriously, when a little skinny dork can pull out a TEC-9 on you, what difference does it make if you're 350lbs?

I was one of those nerds in school who got picked on constantly, so I took up bodybuilding as a way of intimidating my enemies. It worked to a certain extent, but there's a limit where size is not useful anyone.

I rather have 16" arms and know how to fight than 20" arms and get my ass whopped open.

Right now my arms are 17", but I'm not cut, BF about 20% which I have to lower.

My goal is 18" arms, but you're trading off fighting ability with this. I've done some Judo, and I've seen how easy it is to grab big guys and toss them down. It's pointless to want to get huge.


Please don't take any of this personal, as I am just talking in general, and not really at anyone specific.

The honest truth is, if using AAS helps you with your goal in life, then you're doing the right thing for you...

Past High school, being big doesn't give you much of an advantage...The most dangerous guy I know is 5'10-11 150lbs. Eats 1 meal a day.

 

[acc]

that 150 pound guy must not be very dangerous

 

[Atomic Punk]

I agree with an Article in T-Mag where it says that basically the only reason built guys get layed more often is because their looks give them more confidence. I think in most cases that's true.

DO YOU REALLY??? LMAO. You are a MASTER of the obvious there brother. Seriously, keep thinking those deep thoughts.


O and BTW...You blab on about it being "wrong" to take steroids to want to be the biggest dude on the block. Yet you talk like a high schooler about fighting, & Judo, as if you took that shit to accomplish the EXACT SAME THING. Contradict yourself much?

I guess if we were all a little more like you, we would be justified in doing the things we do, yes? Judo boy?

 

[Dial_tone]

The 'Spring Break Club' who works out 3 months out of the year on gear for the hot months are using it for the wrong reasons... and it's downright stupid.

So that's why the board hasn't been as busy lately.......hmmm.

 

[wizardnor]

As far as cheating goes, it IS cheating if it's NOT allowed and YOU 'DECIDE' to do it anyway, thereby BREAKING the rules.

If it is against the rules and you decide to do 'it ('it' meaning anything is this context) than you are a fucking cheater AND it DOES matter.

himm.... maybe i never try to cheat dead, but i'll never be here to reply to your quote.

 

[Juice Authority]

DO YOU REALLY??? LMAO. You are a MASTER of the obvious there brother. Seriously, keep thinking those deep thoughts.


O and BTW...You blab on about it being "wrong" to take steroids to want to be the biggest dude on the block. Yet you talk like a high schooler about fighting, & Judo, as if you took that shit to accomplish the EXACT SAME THING. Contradict yourself much?

I guess if we were all a little more like you, we would be justified in doing the things we do, yes? Judo boy?

Why do you have to be such an asshole?? Get over yourself, you're not that important. In fact, you're just a useless waste of board space.

 

[F117A Active Stealth]

DO YOU REALLY??? LMAO. You are a MASTER of the obvious there brother. Seriously, keep thinking those deep thoughts.


O and BTW...You blab on about it being "wrong" to take steroids to want to be the biggest dude on the block. Yet you talk like a high schooler about fighting, & Judo, as if you took that shit to accomplish the EXACT SAME THING. Contradict yourself much?

I guess if we were all a little more like you, we would be justified in doing the things we do, yes? Judo boy?

Huh, ok. Well, the reason that AAS are used in the Martial Arts is because of the ability to give you strength.

In competitions, mass gives the advantage of intimidation, but to a seasoned Martial Artist this means nothing if you don't have the strength to back it up (and I neither have the mass, strength or skill as these people. I never tried to make myself sound like some tough guy, because I'm not, but I do want to get there)

Anyway, that's the whole reason I mentioned the martial arts bit, so just take it for what it is.

As far as getting women with a buff body. Like I said, it helps, but it's not important to be huge. Come on man, look at some of the most sorry ass losers that have the nicest chicks. They probably either swallowed their fear, and talked to these women, or they don't even realize ugly/fat/whatever they are and just went for what they wanted. The law of probability tells you that they are bound to find someone that says yes to them. Even if it's 1 out of 20, or something alomg those lines.

Being buff just allows you to look in the mirror and have the self confidence to take a chance with them. If you disagree that's fine, that's your right.

I haven't attacked anyone personally, so I don't know why I should be attacked for my opinions?

 

[liftsiron]

Well, in HS football I didn't use steroids and others did so they certainly were cheating. In certain instances like the IFBB you can make a case that drug use isn't cheating because the rules are there to ensure no competitor has an unfair advantage. As we all know, every pro on the Olympia stage is a steroid user and therefore he isn't cheating by the spirit of the rule but just the letter. However, a steroid user entering a lifetime natural event is definitely a cheater hands down because they do have an unfair advantage against their competition.

You make two very good points.
1. In my opinion, no one playing high school sports should be juiceing, your just to young and haven't given yourself the chance to reach your natural limits.

2. Any juicer who enters a lifetime natural event, is a loser, plain and simple. Yet you see these jack offs in nearly every natural event. You can spot them easy because they all wear Skip Lacour T- shirts.

 

[bicepts101]

O and BTW...You blab on about it being "wrong" to take steroids to want to be the biggest dude on the block. Yet you talk like a high schooler about fighting, & Judo, as if you took that shit to accomplish the EXACT SAME THING. Contradict yourself much?

I guess if we were all a little more like you, we would be justified in doing the things we do, yes? Judo boy?

i like your points here AP, even though they may have came out a little harsh.

This guy got picked on in high school by bigger guys. He was always skinny, an ectomorph.

His way of copping with being a puss was to start Judo. How can you say it is ok deal with your probs with judo but someone else cant deal with theirs with steriods and muscle? Cause your "judo" works better in a fight?

who the fuck cares buddy? The bottom line is when you are built you look good. When you look good you have more confidence. When you have more confidence and look good, you feel good.

thats all that matters bros, BEING HEALTHY AND FEELING GOOD

 

[Citruscide]

I don't see how it is cheating when just about all the top athletes around the world use some form of athletic enhancing drug... chipping in with my two ccs

C-ditty

 

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