AAS and CNS fatigue.

[gonelifting]

I agree with the bros that say "why not lift more often while ON" That`s fine but how about the CNS? Will it get more "depleted" by doing more workouts per week?

 

[IronJunkey]

ya what is the deal?...I get mad tired

 

[Bonkme2]

Monitor your CNS with that "Tap Tool" that I (and someone else) posted about toward the beginning of March. I've been using it since then and I think it's a pretty good indication of whether you're pushing too hard or not.

 

[psychedout]

I can tell when Im going too hard (which isn't too often).

Pretty easy for me to tell when im overtrained and rundown.

I haven't had a day off in almost 2 weeks... I feel great, so why should I take a day off?

 

[gonelifting]

The point is unless AAS makes your CNS recover faster, which it does`nt, how can one workout more frequently? Sure people do this but I`m curious as to the explanation.

For example HST guys workout 3X week for every bodypart but they do a lot less volume.

 

[Bonkme2]

And what I'm saying is how you "feel" might not necessarily be a good indication of how often you can workout, whether ON or not. Use that little program to give yourself a quantative analysis of how your CNS is doing after a hard workout. If it's still up to speed, keep hitting the gym...if it's starting to slow down a little, take some time off.

I'm saying to use it to take the guess work out of how your body reacts to ANY style of workout under ANY conditions.

 

[junk]

I'm using 50-80mg of var a day with 1000mg of eq and 250mg of test,
yet around week 5 I started noticing strength won't go up and drive in the gym is way down. I can actually feel my CNS is burned, also feel very tired all day long. Gotta give the body a break for a few days.

 

["Z"]

CNS supplements that will increase focus:

1. Acetyl-L-Tyrosine (Alertness) 2-3g/day
2. Acetyl-L-Carnitine (Cognitive) 5g/day

 

[b1ewsw32]

CNS supplements that will increase focus:

1. Acetyl-L-Tyrosine (Alertness) 2-3g/day
2. Acetyl-L-Carnitine (Cognitive) 5g/day

"Z"...#1 will definitely cause over stimulation of the nervous system and prolong the burnt out feeling.

#2 can be stimulatory to a much lesser degree, and may be of some value for rectifying the mild depression and/or increased moodiness and irratability.

I suggest L-Tryptophan or 5-HTP to increase serotonin levels, this will balance out the excessive nor-epi stimulation.
Melatonin could be used to increase deep sleep(REM, SWS[slow wave sleep] and stage 4) which will aid in recovery of body and mind. and has also been shown to reduce excess cortisol secretion.

Gaba and P-7 can also be used for their calming effect.

"junk".... make sure you consume enough protein, and get sufficient rest, and maybe cutback on your workout volume if you feel that you're reving too high. Also L-Taurine may be a valuable addition @ 5 grams/day.

B32

 

["Z"]

"Z"...#1 will definitely cause over stimulation of the nervous system and prolong the burnt out feeling.

#2 can be stimulatory to a much lesser degree, and may be of some value for rectifying the mild depression and/or increased moodiness and irratability.

I suggest L-Tryptophan or 5-HTP to increase serotonin levels, this will balance out the excessive nor-epi stimulation.
Melatonin could be used to increase deep sleep(REM, SWS[slow wave sleep] and stage 4) which will aid in recovery of body and mind. and has also been shown to reduce excess cortisol secretion.

Gaba and P-7 can also be used for their calming effect.

"junk".... make sure you consume enough protein, and get sufficient rest, and maybe cutback on your workout volume if you feel that you're reving too high. Also L-Taurine may be a valuable addition @ 5 grams/day.

B32

L-tyrosine was used in experiments by the military to see if they could increase the alertness of soldiers that were very tired from over-training etc..(Same thing some of these guys are experiencing).

It is NOT a stimulant. It does not increase any of the adrenergic hormones. i.e. Adrenaline and Noradrenaline Above and beyond what is normal, it just normalizes their levels if they are depleted. This will result in normalized levels of alertness and obviously less fatigue.

Now the acetylated version of L-tyrosine is far more bio-available than l-tyrosine, therfore you need less of it. The military studies used 10g+ l-tyrosine, with the acetylated version 1-2g/day would be sufficient.

 

[OMEGA]

L-tyrosine was used in experiments by the military to see if they could increase the alertness of soldiers that were very tired from over-training etc..(Same thing some of these guys are experiencing).

It is NOT a stimulant. It does not increase any of the adrenergic hormones. i.e. Adrenaline and Noradrenaline Above and beyond what is normal, it just normalizes their levels if they are depleted. This will result in normalized levels of alertness and obviously less fatigue.

Now the acetylated version of L-tyrosine is far more bio-available than l-tyrosine, therfore you need less of it. The military studies used 10g+ l-tyrosine, with the acetylated version 1-2g/day would be sufficient.

darn it fonz why did you have to phuck up!

 

[karachi183]

L-tyrosine was used in experiments by the military to see if they could increase the alertness of soldiers that were very tired from over-training etc..(Same thing some of these guys are experiencing).

It is NOT a stimulant. It does not increase any of the adrenergic hormones. i.e. Adrenaline and Noradrenaline Above and beyond what is normal, it just normalizes their levels if they are depleted. This will result in normalized levels of alertness and obviously less fatigue.

Now the acetylated version of L-tyrosine is far more bio-available than l-tyrosine, therfore you need less of it. The military studies used 10g+ l-tyrosine, with the acetylated version 1-2g/day would be sufficient.

Good Info!!!!

 

[OMEGA]

Good Info!!!!

aka Fonz

why?!!!!!!

 

[JLA]

This is a good question - I have read that the main way your CNS gets burnt out is by doing reps at 90%+ of your max on any particular lift, if you do it for over three weeks in a row.

One way to avoid burnout is to rotate your primary lifts, for example, flat bb bench for two weeks, decline bb bench for two weeks, etc.

Vitamin B-6 and B-12 may also help your CNS recover faster.

 

[wayneboard1]

where can I find this "CNS tool"? I did a search and it came up blank.

 

[Guvna]

where can I find this "CNS tool"? I did a search and it came up blank.

wondering that too