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a really DISTURBING trend going on...and getting worst

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georgie24

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ok this lean body mass only cycles have gotten WAY out of hand across all the boards, it started off as i only want "lean gains" or "micro cycles" "mini cycles" come on WTF IS GOING ON AS OF LATE???

for instance at work i use the search feature pretty much all day, the number one topic i see is "lean body mass only cycle" i mean c'mon. it gets rediculous after a while. seems like a quick fix remedy to me.

i just want muscle only, none of that other stuff thats associated with cycling..thats what these guys sound like
 
georgie24 said:
ok this lean body mass only cycles have gotten WAY out of hand across all the boards, it started off as i only want "lean gains" or "micro cycles" "mini cycles" come on WTF IS GOING ON AS OF LATE???

for instance at work i use the search feature pretty much all day, the number one topic i see is "lean body mass only cycle" i mean c'mon. it gets rediculous after a while. seems like a quick fix remedy to me.

i just want muscle only, none of that other stuff thats associated with cycling..thats what these guys sound like
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Your post scared me at first as I think Lean body gains only should be the overriding principal of all cycles...keep fat-gain as low as possible.

These short cycles are getting slightly rediculous though.
 
Although Ive never done a short cycle, if they truly work well, it seems to me it would be the safest way to use AAS. I was actually thinking of trying it myself. And as far as lean mass only, isn't that what this game is all about? Nobody ever says "my goal for this cycle is 15-20lbs of rippling fat"
 
everyone wants to be like Mike...I mean arnold. No one's willing to put in the hardwork though. Fat gain when bulking is inevitable and people might as well accept that idea. Though, if it were as easy to cut fat as it were to gain muscle.....
 
i know fat gain is the one thing you dont wanna gain on cycle, but why do people want "fat free cycle's" to drop out of the sky? there is alot of people using deca weekly and getting leaner by the minute
 
IMO, puttting on fat while on a bulking cycle depends a lot on genetics and where you are at going into a cycle. ive seen people do bulking cycles that have always had problems keeping bf down, and when they get on cycle their bf skyrockets. on the other hand, people that have a fast matoblism and genetically have low bf can eat everything and not gain a bit of fat
 
do a successful short cycle and you'll think otherwise............

i'm now addicted to 4-5 week tren/prop cycles. i don't even need any other drugs
 
lean mass cycle have very little to do with the roids used and much more to do with diet and training..

deca doesnt make you fat
dbol doesnt make you fat

eating sloppy makes you fat

tren masteron dnp al that stuff should be saved for competitors IMO

you can get ripped off a test / deca cycle or a test dbol cycle..

you might get BLOATED but that is not fat and the extra water goes away very quickly..

people with a high bf are looking for an easy way out and think that the drugs will rip them up..... if it was only that easy

karma to georgie24!!
 
SwolK said:
IMO, puttting on fat while on a bulking cycle depends a lot on genetics and where you are at going into a cycle. ive seen people do bulking cycles that have always had problems keeping bf down, and when they get on cycle their bf skyrockets. on the other hand, people that have a fast matoblism and genetically have low bf can eat everything and not gain a bit of fat
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GENETICS is the key word- some are just luckier than others.
 
Yossarian2000 said:
Although Ive never done a short cycle, if they truly work well, it seems to me it would be the safest way to use AAS. I was actually thinking of trying it myself. And as far as lean mass only, isn't that what this game is all about? Nobody ever says "my goal for this cycle is 15-20lbs of rippling fat"
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I can tell you under the right conditions they do work....BUT if your going after raw strength short cycles ARE NOT the way to go. If your looking for a nice jump in body weight, with minimal gain loss then short cycles ARE they way to go. Just remember fast acting and front load like a mother....and you'll see keeping gains(NOT STRENGTH) is far easier and less of a shock to the system.
 
georgie24 said:
i know fat gain is the one thing you dont wanna gain on cycle, but why do people want "fat free cycle's" to drop out of the sky? there is alot of people using deca weekly and getting leaner by the minute
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Fat free cycles, people want there cake & eat it to:bday:
 
I understand the desire, but I too get frustrated when people want to gain lots of muscle while losing fat. What happened to focusing on doing one thing, and doing it right. Then focusing on something else. Seems to me the pros still bulk and cut.
 
my thread is targeted mainly to those "lean mass only" guys..i know bigandy and other good bro's do short "burst" cycle but at the same time thier diets are well DIALED in. and they know exactly what to expect..

i dont want those bro's to get offended, this has NOTHING to do with them
 
georgie24 said:
my thread is targeted mainly to those "lean mass only" guys..i know bigandy and other good bro's do short "burst" cycle but at the same time thier diets are well DIALED in. and they know exactly what to expect..

i dont want those bro's to get offended, this has NOTHING to do with them
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ahhh...alright bro, i misunderstood.

yeah, i definetely agree with you in that case though. people are just ignorant sometimes
 
edited .....thought it swaid something else:D
 
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People don't understand that your diet determines how lean you are.
 
LOLOL...what about all the DNP and anavar only cycle threads??
Funny thing to observe in these thread is that people are asking questions which incidentally reveal the lack of effort put into research of the subject matter. I mean, even if you plan to run DNP you should know the dosage protocol, cycling protocol (3-day cycle vs week+ cycle), diet routine. Yet people ask how much, what to eat, how to train, what to take to protect this and that - this in itself constitutes the whole concept of using any particular compound, whether it's AAS, thermo/uncoupling, thermo/stimulating, etc....
 
Its all about what you eat and how much you burn... but i don't see why trying to find a way to get only lean mass during a cycle is such a bad thing... and this is coming from a guy that can't seem to put fat on no matter what i do. so these post do nothing for me.

usually people who have problems with these kind of posts are the the latter in the matter. i may be wrong but i would guess by this post you have a problem staying lean. and these posts annoy you. its all good though, its info that someone may need. i say let it ride.

Scaggs
 
its just wishful thinking

just like when you hear people say they want to keep all thier gains but do no pct and have no idea

as for the people just want the easy option comment...its been like that since the beginning of time...get rich quick, get big quick..same shit

cheers
 
the people who have posted in this thread about it being impossible i have to disagree with..

your weight change on or off cycle is mainly determined by diet and training.. not supplimentation..

of course there are trade offs.. if you want to loosefat and gain muscle do not expect to make huge muscle gains but gaining muscle and losing fat is possible to do..

just as gaining lots of muscle with only a litle bit of fat is possible..

more people need to experiment and research different diet/training routines than trying to find the next great cycle that will strip away all there fat and put on 20lbs of muscle...

good luck
 
georgie24 said:
my thread is targeted mainly to those "lean mass only" guys..i know bigandy and other good bro's do short "burst" cycle but at the same time thier diets are well DIALED in. and they know exactly what to expect..

i dont want those bro's to get offended, this has NOTHING to do with them
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My cycles last abou 12-14 weeks on average. I do heavy doses for 6-8 weeks followed by a long taper down.

I do agree that these mini cycles are getting out of hand, I made a few posts about it a while back.
 
juve said:
LOLOL...what about all the DNP and anavar only cycle threads??
Funny thing to observe in these thread is that people are asking questions which incidentally reveal the lack of effort put into research of the subject matter. I mean, even if you plan to run DNP you should know the dosage protocol, cycling protocol (3-day cycle vs week+ cycle), diet routine. Yet people ask how much, what to eat, how to train, what to take to protect this and that - this in itself constitutes the whole concept of using any particular compound, whether it's AAS, thermo/uncoupling, thermo/stimulating, etc....
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but you got to remember people look to these forums to research...thats why they ask questions..if you type something in a search in the ointernet all it does is brung you results of people wanting to sell you aas and scam you...its hard to get straight answers...everythign i have learned i have learned from online forums....you read somehting somewhere that some idiot may have wrote then your fucked with bad knowledge...but you ask the same question here and if a idiot replies to give bad advice usually shortly after someone corrects it......so in my opinion these forums are the best to learn..but what would make it better is if you didnt have to pay to search this board....i know i wouldnt ask so many questions if i dcould search because im sure they have all been answered previously:D
 
There really is no reason to gain any considerable amount of fat when using AAS for most people.
 
I think these people are mixing up water weight gain and fat gain from their cycles. If one's diet is proper making maxium gains in lbm while on a cycle, without gaining body fat is possible, but one's diet is the key, not their choice of drugs. I've been making great gains in lbm while maintaining a very low body fat lately, but I'm gaining water weight due to being a gram of test a week, however once my doses are reduced the water retention will disappear... and no I do not have the genetics that allow me to eat junk without gaining bodyfat.
 
I have to agree, simplicity in all things.
I a bulking cyle by nature, will create a mass build up of catobolic homones in the blood stream(only one molucule can fill the receptor site at a time). These molicules will slot into the receptor site the second the anobolic molicules arent present. therby making you lose mass.

dieting imidiatly after the cycle could be detremental to your gains

It might be wiser to wait for your body to rebout, naturaly or with human chronic gonodropin.

Its also of note that clenbutural, is capable of blocking the receptor, so clen, Imidiatly after a cycle might be a great buffer between the AS, and your natural test.
 
Judo Tom said:
lean mass cycle have very little to do with the roids used and much more to do with diet and training..

deca doesnt make you fat
dbol doesnt make you fat

eating sloppy makes you fat


You nailed it, bro.
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No steroids will make you fat. You can get hella cut on drol or dbol. I can't believe that on this of all boards there are so many ppl who don't understand this. Water weight is not fat, as BBF put it.
 
I, for one, did not want any bloat at all when I did my first cycle. I am only interested in lean muscle gains. I have no desire to balloon up just to - maybe - put on a little bit of muscle in a 12 week cycle. The faster you put muscle on, the faster it will go away over time if your diet slips.

Slow and steady wins the race. IMO
 
Anavar won't bloat you and you will get solid gains if you eat right. Think the big problem is people adding 2000 cals to their diet most of it carbs then saying the AAS made them fat.
 
AAP said:
I, for one, did not want any bloat at all when I did my first cycle. I am only interested in lean muscle gains. I have no desire to balloon up just to - maybe - put on a little bit of muscle in a 12 week cycle. The faster you put muscle on, the faster it will go away over time if your diet slips.

Slow and steady wins the race. IMO
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He speaks the truth :D
 
I think that most of these "lean mass only cycle" people are fat to begin with. I mean come on. If you can't get to 6% before you start a cycle you are not dedicated enough. It has been my experience that when I want to gain mass it is inevitable that I gain a little fat. That is only because it is impossible, yes thats right IMPOSSIBLE, to gain one ounce of muscle without a net+ caloric intake. I play it safe when gaining and make sure that I have PLENTY of calories to go around. And I have all the calories needed to maximize muscle building and a few left over that end up on my stomach. Big deal they won't be there for long.
 
It is possible, just not the way most of these quick answer guys we are talking about go about it. And it doesn't matter what the 'pros' do. They may bulk and get very fat in the offseason, but that isn't the way it used to be. Todays guys pro, or just the average joe on the board bulk and eat crap like fried chicken, and mcdonalds. I saw one guy posting about how he eats 6 mcdonalds burger a DAY on a bulk cycle. Of course you will be a lard ass eating like that.

People are always amazed how guys like Robby, Arnold, Lou, Zane, etc all gained so much mass while getting ripped. They ate good, whole foods. No mcdonalds. Whole eggs, milk, red meat, and worked their asses off. You read how they had a beer here and there, sometimes daily, but if you are working your ass off, and eating good foods otherwise, that isn't going to hurt you. But these quick fix people don't realize that. They want a magical 'cutting steroid' and some half ass routine, still eat crap like mcdonalds and expect to look great in 3 weeks time. It's pathetic.

I guess we will all see more and more of those posts though now that spring break is coming up "yo what will gat me rippped fur da gurls. trainin' 3 months, party on weekends and dont eat much cept booze. 6'0 150lbs a lil stomach. not lookin to get to big just a brad pitt look. i leave in 2 weeks"
 
C3bodybuilding said:

I guess we will all see more and more of those posts though now that spring break is coming up "yo what will gat me rippped fur da gurls. trainin' 3 months, party on weekends and dont eat much cept booze. 6'0 150lbs a lil stomach. not lookin to get to big just a brad pitt look. i leave in 2 weeks"
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juicedmullet said:



everyone is totally owned with this post.
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I agree. I also agree w/ the general premise of this thread. The guys who come on here and say..............

"I'm 175 lbs. and I want to get to 225. I don't want my abs to dissappear from what they look like now (shit I look like Pitt), so I am expecting to gain 50 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks.
Who can tell me what and how much to take".............................................................................................................have missed the proverbial boat.
 
georgie24 said:
ok this lean body mass only cycles have gotten WAY out of hand across all the boards, it started off as i only want "lean gains" or "micro cycles" "mini cycles" come on WTF IS GOING ON AS OF LATE???

for instance at work i use the search feature pretty much all day, the number one topic i see is "lean body mass only cycle" i mean c'mon. it gets rediculous after a while. seems like a quick fix remedy to me.

i just want muscle only, none of that other stuff thats associated with cycling..thats what these guys sound like
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i've always found that I get much better results if I bulk then cut. I don't bulk insanely, but I do eat about 1000 cals more than maintenence.

short cycles seem silly to me also. not long enough to shed bf or allow for the body to adapt to new mass.

good ole bulking and cutting

cheers
 
Judo Tom said:
lean mass cycle have very little to do with the roids used and much more to do with diet and training..

deca doesnt make you fat
dbol doesnt make you fat

eating sloppy makes you fat

tren masteron dnp al that stuff should be saved for competitors IMO

you can get ripped off a test / deca cycle or a test dbol cycle..

you might get BLOATED but that is not fat and the extra water goes away very quickly..

people with a high bf are looking for an easy way out and think that the drugs will rip them up..... if it was only that easy

karma to georgie24!!
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I agree
 
i think that a lot of similar posts keep coming up because of the limited platinum search. Non-plat members who are just starting out dont have access to all the resources that the plat members do.
 
Yossarian2000 said:
Although Ive never done a short cycle, if they truly work well, it seems to me it would be the safest way to use AAS. I was actually thinking of trying it myself. And as far as lean mass only, isn't that what this game is all about? Nobody ever says "my goal for this cycle is 15-20lbs of rippling fat"
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short cycles work, at least for me. you gain 7-10 lbs of leacn ody mass in three to four weeks and you have very little trouble coming off. if your goals are modest and you're willing to wait a little while longer you get safer, more controllable gnined and far fewer sides. i'm a proponent. it just depends on what you goals are.

Nadr
 
the key is to have a good quality diet. But then again who is that strict with their diet when trying to bulk up. You can try but Micky D's is right down the street saying come eat the entire $ menu. ;)
 
Judo Tom said:
lean mass cycle have very little to do with the roids used and much more to do with diet and training..

deca doesnt make you fat
dbol doesnt make you fat

eating sloppy makes you fat

tren masteron dnp al that stuff should be saved for competitors IMO

you can get ripped off a test / deca cycle or a test dbol cycle..

you might get BLOATED but that is not fat and the extra water goes away very quickly..

people with a high bf are looking for an easy way out and think that the drugs will rip them up..... if it was only that easy

karma to georgie24!!
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ok..if tren and masteron are only for competitors, then i beleive bulking and cutting is only for competitors.

i weigh 200lbs, i will never do any cycle that includes gaining fat. my meals will always be clean with intensional cheat meals. no my bf is not high, check my gallery.

i will gain slow and keep my waist. its working so why should i stop. i look good in the summer and winter. you can continue to gain as long as you stay around 10-13% bf.

everybody has their own preferences, you guys keep doing what you want. i'll stick to my way
 
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Judo Tom said:
lean mass cycle have very little to do with the roids used and much more to do with diet and training..

deca doesnt make you fat
dbol doesnt make you fat

eating sloppy makes you fat

tren masteron dnp al that stuff should be saved for competitors IMO

you can get ripped off a test / deca cycle or a test dbol cycle..

you might get BLOATED but that is not fat and the extra water goes away very quickly..

people with a high bf are looking for an easy way out and think that the drugs will rip them up..... if it was only that easy

karma to georgie24!!
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