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Iliketolift
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Hello, i have a few questions. First, can you drink the oil instead of injecting it? how much less effective is it. And can you get a good bulk or a good cut just using oral steroids? thank you
swordfish151
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Iliketolift said:
I think you got it twisted homie..you can drink winny...but cant drink sust...you can get a good anything just as long as your diet is on point if your bulking or cutting...but you have to be more specific..taking Dbol for instance will blow you up like a "water" balloon add nice size and strength but you will lose most of the gains...so a little more specific please..
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Mr.X
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Iliketolift said:
1) if that's you in your pictures, search my post as to why newbies should not do AS
2) oil (sust/test etc..) is not 17aa, so it's not bioavailable orally, the only inj. product, to my knowledge, you can "drink" is winstrol as it's 17aa. So, do NOT drink your sust!
brandonp005
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yep, i bet his PM box just started growing
As, Mr. X stated, you can only drink substances that are 17AA
As, Mr. X stated, you can only drink substances that are 17AA
southpaw45
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I should do a karma bookie event on whether or not he juices. 50:1 odds he doesn't! 
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Iliketolift
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alrighty thanks....more specific now. I want a bulking cycle that will give me lots of muscle and keep the gains? i dont understand why you would take roids just to lose all the gains? and a nice cutting cycle, usuing only orals, injectables is to crazy for me, plus getting all that stuff, needles etc. thanks!
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Mr.X
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Iliketolift said:
stop your posting now...
read this:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441371
Bruce
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lets not be too harsh. look in his gallery his build is nice and lean in some pics. the flex in your avi just does you no justice. stats would be nice and how long youve been lifting natty. you can for sure pack on more mass and this is coming from a skinny mofo. i should have waited an extra year and used ef for diet tips but i didn't. if you are gonna use gear you do need a shit load of research. questions like i want to build the most muscle without losing it are just ridiculous, thats what everyone wants, you need to learn how to do that with researching gear and pct, you do know what pct is right
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Iliketolift
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Stats, im 155+lbs, 5'9''. Max bench 195 for 7, max deadlift 315 for 1, or 285 for 5, max shoulder press is 6 reps withthe 65 dumbells, and yes i do need to research more. I have been lifting for 4 months...oh and im 18
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Iliketolift
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and thanks for the link to that site.
Hey Bro just a bit of advice ease up get the most from Hard training good diet and your natural genetics. Research read through past posts there is answers to just about any question you may have. If you want to bulk up as you say eat like a MO FO train hard and when you do decide to use AS. You will hopefully done your homework. It might save you from useing birthcontrol. It doesnt look like you need to wory about being pregnant. ERGO
MTS
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You got to be kidding me?! listen...keep lifting for 4 more years and then consider using AAS as a means of help....you can put a lot of mass on your frame still... at 18 your test levels is already extremly high, why not take advantage of that? and on top of that it takes 4 years for a good base to start with no 4 monthsIliketolift said:
I really don't understand why you are even thinking about or talking about steroids unless it is just to become knowledgeable or for your own enjoyment. It seems to me that you have good natural genetics. If you really have been lifting for only 4 months, and you already are accomplishing those lifts, that is very impressive, which further leads me to the conclusion that you don't need to juice. I mean shit, I've worked for 5 years, and my lifts aren't a whole lot higher than yours and I weigh twenty three pounds more. Additionally you have a very good frame for only four months under your belt. Don't even think about it. Be greatful that you have seemingly good genetics, if I had great genetics like some guys out there, I wouldn't even think about juicing. Unfortunately I got screwed in that department.
I didn't see you mention squats in your post? You are working legs aren't you?
zips92
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You'll take your lumps bro with this post and your age, however, hang in there. You're doing the right thing by joining this site and asking questions, but listen to Mr. X and please read the stickies. There are several links in there that will point you to fundamental AAS info.
Looks like you got a nice frame and bofyat % to work with, however all your questions aside for a moment about drinking oils, bulking and cutting........
Your natural testosterone levels are at their highest peak right now at any point in your life. Most of the bros on here would kill to have your current natural testosterone levels. Do not mess with that at 18! Instead, take advantage of that for at least a couple more years and build a little muscle maturity, and a better frame, and improve your connective tissues before experimenting with AAS.
Do you know whow much AAS/exogenous testosterone you have to take to supplant your current endogenous test production? You are in prime time right now, and it looks ike you have been doing some things right in the gym so far. Keep it up, you will gain so much more from AAS down the road if you build your natural frame and capabilities more. You will be able to support more gains/mass, and likewise cut up that mass better.
Unless you have the genetics of Cutler, Coleman, Haney, Yates, Labrada, or RADAR, and taking AAS would help you compete on stage right now, try to cool it for now. Keep posting and learning, research about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT), take some good supplements, enrich your diet, save your money, save your money and save your money, then you can start some killer cycles in a few years.
Looks like you got a nice frame and bofyat % to work with, however all your questions aside for a moment about drinking oils, bulking and cutting........
Your natural testosterone levels are at their highest peak right now at any point in your life. Most of the bros on here would kill to have your current natural testosterone levels. Do not mess with that at 18! Instead, take advantage of that for at least a couple more years and build a little muscle maturity, and a better frame, and improve your connective tissues before experimenting with AAS.
Do you know whow much AAS/exogenous testosterone you have to take to supplant your current endogenous test production? You are in prime time right now, and it looks ike you have been doing some things right in the gym so far. Keep it up, you will gain so much more from AAS down the road if you build your natural frame and capabilities more. You will be able to support more gains/mass, and likewise cut up that mass better.
Unless you have the genetics of Cutler, Coleman, Haney, Yates, Labrada, or RADAR, and taking AAS would help you compete on stage right now, try to cool it for now. Keep posting and learning, research about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT), take some good supplements, enrich your diet, save your money, save your money and save your money, then you can start some killer cycles in a few years.
phatrr
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Oh, how I wish I could be 18 and know what I know now.
Don't know what you're training looks like, but: are practicing any kind of periodization? What are your micro-cycles like? Do you de-load properly?
If you're serious about making and keeping the gains, now is the time to do it. Get your training down cold - get some lower volume, high intensity routines focused on core compound exercises going. Give yourself plenty of time to recover, focus on good nutrition, and you'll grow. You have the genetic disposition to do well.
You've got more than enough T in your bloodstream naturally to make huge gains for the next 8-9 years. These gains, fueled by your own T, won't evaporate easily.
Get a blood panel done now, and learn what your baseline is; repeat 1/yr, and compare the results. At some point, you'll start to see a decline in key hormonal levels, including T. That's the time to take action on the gear front.
Don't know what you're training looks like, but: are practicing any kind of periodization? What are your micro-cycles like? Do you de-load properly?
If you're serious about making and keeping the gains, now is the time to do it. Get your training down cold - get some lower volume, high intensity routines focused on core compound exercises going. Give yourself plenty of time to recover, focus on good nutrition, and you'll grow. You have the genetic disposition to do well.
You've got more than enough T in your bloodstream naturally to make huge gains for the next 8-9 years. These gains, fueled by your own T, won't evaporate easily.
Get a blood panel done now, and learn what your baseline is; repeat 1/yr, and compare the results. At some point, you'll start to see a decline in key hormonal levels, including T. That's the time to take action on the gear front.
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shawnerk
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You've had good results naturally - keep w/that for a few years. You're way too young. Rad, read, read on here. Dn't mess your self up, not knowing what you're doing, and dong it too early. Keep up the good work that you have been!
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Iliketolift
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I never stated that I was about to juice. I was planning on waiting at least another year or so before I started my first cycle(20 ish). But I come on this board often, and it isn't very fun if I can't understand the lingo...right? I just wanted to make the perfect cycle, so I know ahead of time. I mean, don't many of yourselves believe that if you had the knowledge you have know, your first cycle would have yeilded more muscle? I just wanted to find out more about my potential cycle someday. Thanks for your concern and comments/suggestions.
mr.nitrofish
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I would avoid an all oral cycle at all costs. read up on injecting at spotinjections.com
swordfish151
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LVTitan said:
Harsh words for the youngster..LOL...someone is crouchy in LV! lol...anyway for the poster...just keep doing research...your 20(ish) is still too young...your what 19?? just read..educate yourself..but dont plan on any cycles anytime soon....
Bruce
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you are 18 i am damn glad to hear you are going to wait. i was 125 at 18, a joke, and got up to 145 which took fucking 4 years. i am as hard a gainer as there is. at 23 i decided to do a cycle after hearing a doctor tell me that steroids are no more harmful than tylenol or alchohol if you take them responsibily. i agree if you are up to 195 on bench in 4 months of working out go at it natty. those are great stats. and i saw your pics of your abs and side shots you are really building a nice base. u should wait till your 24 but somehow i dont' see you doing that and i am not one to lecture. i will say this though lift natty until you cannot put on anymore weight or strength. and make for damn sure that you are done growing. i was 5 11 at 20 and grew to 6 2 by 22. you don't want to close your growth plates. when you are ready i suggest you go with test enanthate or cypionate for 12 weeks at 500mg. if you wanna kick it off with some dbol or tbol that is fine. the gains you keep will be determined by your training and pct, and how intense you stay after coming off the gear. i understand the frustration of being skinny trust me, but if i could do it all over i'd of been getting diet tips from these bros for another year or two until i hit gear and waited 5 years. good luck, keep at it you really are coming along nice.
You got some solid advice from the guys here. At 18 with 4 months of lifting experience you shouldn't even be visiting this page. You should be on the nutrition and weight training pages soaking up that info. You have made some progress but in all honesty you dont even have that solid of a base yet. Learn how to eat and train first.
There are a ton of guys here that can help you build the perfect cycle when you are ready.
good luck!
There are a ton of guys here that can help you build the perfect cycle when you are ready.
good luck!
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Iliketolift
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Alright well Id like to adress all of your messages personally I can't becasue that would take a lot of time. However, the OLYMPIA is for me, i tka the oral only question back, I was just interested. I'm 18, and Kyles my name, remember it, and you can tell me you talked to me on the net when im competing in Mr. Olympia when I'm 25
. I know A LOT about training, and eating, I have been in the work out world for about 2 years. I started powerlifting when i was 16, max bench got to 175 for 3. But four months ago, when I started to bb again, since I didnt workout for so long, I lost everything, so I BASICALLY started from scratch, but I had more than nothing. You guys have convinced me to wait past 20, thank you for that. And so people actuly think they are cool coming on this board tell me I should stop? lol...FUCK YOU. Thank you all for your questions and comments. No thank you to the haters. Peace
. I know A LOT about training, and eating, I have been in the work out world for about 2 years. I started powerlifting when i was 16, max bench got to 175 for 3. But four months ago, when I started to bb again, since I didnt workout for so long, I lost everything, so I BASICALLY started from scratch, but I had more than nothing. You guys have convinced me to wait past 20, thank you for that. And so people actuly think they are cool coming on this board tell me I should stop? lol...FUCK YOU. Thank you all for your questions and comments. No thank you to the haters. Peace
LVTitan
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sorry for the harshness bro, i apologize, it's just that time of year where everybody wants a magic oral cycle to get ready for spring break and dont take this shit seriously. keep reading, and good luck bro..Iliketolift said:Alright well Id like to adress all of your messages personally I can't becasue that would take a lot of time. However, the OLYMPIA is for me, i tka the oral only question back, I was just interested. I'm 18, and Kyles my name, remember it, and you can tell me you talked to me on the net when im competing in Mr. Olympia when I'm 25
Iliketolift said:Alright well Id like to adress all of your messages personally I can't becasue that would take a lot of time. However, the OLYMPIA is for me, i tka the oral only question back, I was just interested. I'm 18, and Kyles my name, remember it, and you can tell me you talked to me on the net when im competing in Mr. Olympia when I'm 25
This is why I stopped coming to this board for awhile. At 18, you're allowed to do a couple of things legally: vote, buy a lottery ticket, and a pack of smokes. Because you have these liberties, DO NOT mistake them for the right to talk shit down to people that have given you their honest opinion. I believe it was YOU that asked the questions first good friend. That being said, it would appear that you do not have the desire to wait until mid 20's like stated, it also appears that you have lost all your gains and you are struggling with your patience and want them back, this kind of thinking is what leads to disaster, think about it!
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Iliketolift
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What in gods holy name are you blathering about! appears that I lost all my gains? you're insane....Think about it!!flex2win said:
Xconcept00
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just consume a shitload of protein.. id say for you about 300 grams a day minimum. you will grow good.
drinking protein shakes helps me stay motivated in the gym. even though im not on gear im still on SOMETHING which gives me that psychlogical boost to throw around some weights 5 times a week. and its good for the body. win win situation
drinking protein shakes helps me stay motivated in the gym. even though im not on gear im still on SOMETHING which gives me that psychlogical boost to throw around some weights 5 times a week. and its good for the body. win win situation
