A little observation...

[Anthrax Invasion]

I was thinking about something last night, and came to a bit of a realization. This is probably nothing new to a lot of people, but I see discussions pop up on whether olylifters, powerlifters, or specific athletes are better than each other. If you really think about it, though, they all are similar. Olylifters can jump high and sprint fast, but I'm sure if a lot of PLers cut down, they'd be on par with them. Same would go for most athletes. The elites, regardless of the sport in which they reign (aside from golf...) can all put forth impressive displays for athleticism. This further goes to show that there are so many pathes to the same goal, and that the main thing people should worry about is the one thing all athletes have in common:

Hard Work + Consistency + Time = Results

Throw in a bit of AAS and you'll get there faster, not to mention exceed your genetic limitations, but in the end, the above formula is the only way to become great, regardless of your passion.

 

[musketeer]

Power lifters are generally slow so they can't jump as high or move as fast as Oly lifters, regardless of the bF issue.

A friend of mine's cousin was a top semi -pro golfer (earning $100,000k+ p.a.) and he could do 20 one arm chins with his golfing arm (whatever one that was).

" Hard Work + Consistency + Time = Results " SEEMS right though!

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Eh, I still think a powerlifter could be pretty fast if they dropped bodyfat.

The golf thing was more or less a joke, but even if your friend's cousin did that, I'd doubt it's commonplace among even elite level golfers.

Yes, it has to be, 'cause it's worked time and again.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Mostly likely those 20 one-arm chins weren't one-arm chinups at all, but one-arm assisted which are nothing special. that's when you grab the wrist with the other arm=big deal.

PLUS, 20 one-arm chinups would be UBER WORLD CLASS!!! Sorry, gotta call bullshit on that.

 

[coolcolj]

they're only fast for 20-30m, where it's more muscular than tendons that do the propulsion. So if your strong and explosive you can haul your ass there.
After that top speed, technique and reactivity take over, and not everyone has that

You won't bounce too well when you weigh a lot as well...

 

[Madcow2]

Golf is actually disceptively powerful. It's a full body arc with tons of leg, hip and core. Arms maintain position, hold the club, etc... but they aren't very active in a high caliber swing. If you get the chance, next time watch someone like Tiger who can hit the ball a long way and when he's on teeing off pay very close attention to his hips and the speed with which they move on the down swing. This is where the power comes from and a proper swing maintains the chain and tension from the feet all the way up the body through the arms. If your swing is correct, it is very hard to hold to hold your backswing at the top - the chain and tension wants to rip it down.

It's a very complicated motion (although when you are doing it right it should seem completely natural) which is why you have to first learn how to swing the cluib fairly well before you can try to hit it really hard and expect any consistency. I have been waiting for someone to get a really good S&C coach in golf, although technique and specific practice is so key. Interestingly I saw a vintage video from the 1950's I think and one of the top players at that time was also a competitive OL, he thought it really helped his game. This would probably be enhanced today with better equipment that can handle higher velocity swings and not lose accuracy from torque etc...

 

[fortunatesun]

I have been waiting for someone to get a really good S&C coach in golf,

Madcow2, sounds like you've hit on a good way to increase your cash flow.

 

[JL_204]

Golf is actually disceptively powerful. It's a full body arc with tons of leg, hip and core. Arms maintain position, hold the club, etc... but they aren't very active in a high caliber swing. If you get the chance, next time watch someone like Tiger who can hit the ball a long way and when he's on teeing off pay very close attention to his hips and the speed with which they move on the down swing. This is where the power comes from and a proper swing maintains the chain and tension from the feet all the way up the body through the arms. If your swing is correct, it is very hard to hold to hold your backswing at the top - the chain and tension wants to rip it down.

It's a very complicated motion (although when you are doing it right it should seem completely natural) which is why you have to first learn how to swing the cluib fairly well before you can try to hit it really hard and expect any consistency. I have been waiting for someone to get a really good S&C coach in golf, although technique and specific practice is so key. Interestingly I saw a vintage video from the 1950's I think and one of the top players at that time was also a competitive OL, he thought it really helped his game. This would probably be enhanced today with better equipment that can handle higher velocity swings and not lose accuracy from torque etc...

I agree.

Ive been golfing for quite awhile now and I noticed that when I had a weak squat I couldnt hit the ball as far. Same with throwing a football. Technique and alot of hip strength are key.

 

[dookie1481]

Good point about the backswing. The Ledbetter Swing Setter gizmo tries to teach this by encouraging a powerful, yet controlled backswing.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Good points, but it's more technique than anything. You don't have to be particularly strong nor powerful to hit a golf ball well or far. I know this because my mom's ex-boyfriend had a college golf scholarship and he could've played pro if it not for his musical aspirations. He was a weak sob.

Another buddy of mine that I worked with was tall and very skinny, yet he could drive a ball like happy gilmore.

A golf club weighs a pound if that? Swinging a baseball bat hard requires strength and power and technique. Swinging a golf club well requires being able to synchronize all your bodyparts into working as one and applying the force to the ball. Kinda like boxing. You don't have to be big and strong to hit pretty hard if your technique is excellent and you can utilize what physical weight and strength you do have.

Sorta like Bruce Lee. He wasn't very strong technically lifting wise(I've got all the books and seen the weights he logged), but he could apply what strength he had to the utmost(awesome ability to combine the body as one) with great speed which equals high force output, which is why he was powerful in his way.