A good winter stack?

[ALL41]

Hey everybody, I have been looking into a few of your discussions and have found most to be very knowledgeable and helpful in most situations, hopefully a few of you are willing to give me a hand. I'm new to this place in case you haven't noticed already. I am hoping a few of you could assist with some advise. First I should tell you what I'm looking for, I would like to be around 225lbs without that bloated puffy look by July 03. I will be starting another cycle within the next 2 weeks and wanted your opinion on my choices of gear. I'm 26 5"10 natural weight is around 183 or so and 12% bodyfat, right now I am 197 having just finished a cycle of test 400 (10ml) stacked with 50 Dbol pills, I know I should have used much more than 50 but I actually had 150 (2 different places), 100 of them turned out to be fakes. I gained 16lbs in the 8 week period and am looking for more. I have access 2 several different gears at decent prices and have decided to go with a stack of deca (20ml) and sust
(12 1ml amps) over an 8 week period. I cant say I'm a well experienced user but I do have 3 cycles under my belt and I'm educated enough to get by. I'm looking to add a lot of mass as well as shred up a bit. After this stack I will wait aprox 6 weeks than go into a winne deca stack to really rip up for summer. Does it sound like I'm on the right track to get what I'm looking for or would any of you recommend other gears or even adding another to the stack?

 

[ALL41]

any info might help, has anybody done this stack? what were your gains?

 

[raider2124]

I did a Sust/Deca stack and liked the results! The only problem with Sust is you should shoot EOD to take advantage of all the different esters in it. As for your summer stack of Winny and Deca you need to throw some Test prop in there with it. I also suggest replacing the Deca with Fina for better results.

 

[ALL41]

EOD on the sust huh, how much EOD worked well 4 u? What kind of gains?

 

[KILLER2001]

I used sus last summer. I shot on mon and thursdays. I could kick myself in the ass for not getting enough to go eod, because that would have turned out awsome.If you are looking to shoot only once a week , use a single test.

The gains you can expect really depend on you, your diet, training, and rest.

If I were you I wouldn't worry about your summer cycle , and just concentrate on putting on the most poss. muscle this winter. Then after clomid and a little time "off"Start shredding it all up.

 

[ALL41]

thanks for your advise bro, well taken, EOD it is than..

 

[Surgical]

I wish I had done the same thing with sust, EOD.

Raider is right, replace the Deca with Fina, you'll see much better results. You'll get harder, and your bf will decrease. Add some test to that with the winny, and you'll have a kick ass cycle.

I'm going to do the same cycle for pre contest, test/winny/fina.

 

[ALL41]

do a lot of you feel the same (switch the deca with fina) I didn't realize it would help out on bf as well, how often do you recommend the fina should be taken and what kind of dosages, I will already be doing 250mg of sus EOD, as well as 25mg of D-bol daily for 5 weeks, I'm 26 5'10 197 11%BF and this will be my second cycle since Oct. Any advise helps... thx bros.

 

[Mike P.T.]

I used sus last summer. I shot on mon and thursdays. I could kick myself in the ass for not getting enough to go eod, because that would have turned out awsome.If you are looking to shoot only once a week , use a single test.

The gains you can expect really depend on you, your diet, training, and rest.

You would have gotten the same exact gains. I've done sus and shot up 750mg all in one shot even then tried switching it over to several shots a week with no difference.

What you said after the first paragraph is right though. Just don't think your gains would have been different if you would have done it the other way because that's bullshit. I know what people are gonna say "but the different esters and take advantage of the prop." ummm there is not that much prop and prop stays in the system for several days anyway plus the 3 other esters which are medium to long acting. It does not matter because after several shots you will have a buildup and varying blood levels no matter what.

 

[raider2124]

If he shoots EOD with Sust he will have more even amounts of test in his blood. You know this Mike P.T. the low amount of prop in sust is true but it will not stay in your system at an effective rate for more than 2 days. phenylprop is a little longer lasting but it is not going to stay in your system effectively for a week? I cannot believe you would think 1 a week with Sust is just as good. Anyway, If you want to run Fina shoot atleast EOD with the sust. Take atleast 75mg of Fina EOD the most would be 150mg EOD but being your first experience with it go with the low doses. You will see results quicker with the Fina, Also it is a potent fat burner for me it destroys the lower ab fat. Another benefit is that will not stay in your system for nearly as long as Deca does.

 

[Tim_Bass]

I've seen a lot of debate on Fina and sust, and exactly how to shoot them.

I'm going on a sust/fina cycle pretty soon, I plan on shooting 250/week sust and 75/day Fina. That is probably too little sust and too much Fina... especially for a first cycle.

I've heard lots of stories about guys just shooting Sust 250 a week on their first cycle, and gaining about 20 pounds. If that is enough for them, then it is enough for me. I am not going to shell out 3 times the cash for another 5-10 pounds.

And on the Fina, I've heard 50/day to 75/day, and 100/EOD to 150/EOD. How you do Fina is really up to you, everyone responds differently. Find out what is best for you.

If you don't think the Sust is doing anything at whatever dose you decide, you can always kick up the doses or the frequency. Don't start out with a total sust blitz. The lower the dose, the fewer the sides.

Good luck!

 

[SmooThy5464]

i am running a bulking cycle of 700mg a week of cyp. for 10 weeks and 50mg ED of dbol for the first 4-5 weeks along with 150mg EOD of fina for 6 weeeks try that or something along thoughs lines i would love to compare results i start next week i will let u know how i make out.

Goodluck...