A couple of igf questions

[Thom]

hey
there's a couple of things I'm wondering about, and then I'm ready to go.

I'm going to mix it with BA in the vial, and with BW in the slinpin before injecting. I'm mainly going to inject IM, but is there a problem injecting BA solution sub-q if I wanted to try that? Better to only use BW with the igf when injecting sub-q?

how long does IGF stay active after injection IM?

I'm going to inject PWO. I go to bed about two hours after this. Would you get up to get a proteinshake a couple of hours later? Carbs? I'm eating slightly over maintenance, and gaining muscles on a var only cycle.

thanks for any help
thom

 

[searay]

igh HAS to be injected IM. use a slin pin and shoot in your shoulder or bi's.
its pretty short acting stuff like gh, BUT you will feel the side effects for a day or so from 1 shot depending on dose. igf will increase your appitite, getting up and eating protein will only help the cause on igf. igh will shed body fat so too low calories will make you lose weight to fast and then strenth.

 

[Thom]

uhm IGF does not HAVE to be injected IM. It can be injected sub-q too.
anyone know any details about how long it acts?

 

[Lowest]

Wrong bro, IGF does NOT have to be IM only. It's the same as GH, actually gets slightly better absorption sub-q, which is how I always ran it. I used a slin pin and hit my abs, same way I do with GH, divided doses, am and pm. Oh, and I never added BW to mine, I just injected the igf/ba solution straight, it's only like 5-10ius, doesn't hurt a bit.

 

[searay]

you may want to do some research on inj igf. ive been using igf for a year now and have alsways been told IM. sub q will just sit there and doesnt disperse well at all. do it however you want, all i know from many solid sources is IM only.

 

[Thom]

I've done alot of research on that bro... sub-q works fine too.
but anyway.. Long R3 IGF-1 has a halflife of 20-30 hours, so it's not short acting. And you are probably using the lr3 version.

 

[Lowest]

I think everyone needs more research, lol. Regular IGF has a half-life of only 20-30 minutes, the long version is about 6 times longer I believe, but not 20-30hrs. It's best done twice a day on lifting days, 1x per day non-workout days in the morning. I did my IGF, sub-q only, 30mcg am, 30mcg post-workout. And since it's "not" absorbed sub-q, according to Mr. searay, please tell me how I got stronger while loosing 10lbs and 2inches from my waist on a bulking diet? Without any gear? Believe me bro, your sources are misinformed. IGF is just as good, if not slightly better, sub-q, same as insulin or GH. Not a big difference, aout 54% to 49% absorption, but I've used GH, insulin, and IGF, all sub-q only, and all sure as hell worked... that, and all of them have medical instructions saying they can be administered sub-q

 

[Thom]

well acording to http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13470 it has a halflife of 20-30 hours...

 

[Lowest]

Damn I got tired of reading that post before I even found the half-life, lol. I'll take your word for it, I've never seen actual numbers, I just know that IGF-longR3 is a lot longer-acting than straight IGF, and more potent to boot. Good post bro!

 

[fun28hi]

thom please dont do BA! It sucks hurts and is awful for you. If your igf is in powder form mix it with a mixture of BW and acytic (spelling?) acid, which is vinegar. I've done it both ways And i can tell you AA with BW last longer stays potent better and doesn't hurt or have the many advirse sides of BA. With BA you can get noduals it hurts like a MF. I can send you post with the exact mixture ratio if you want.

 

[Thom]

ok thanks fun28hi I'll check it out

 

[kbrkbr]

lowest and fun, could you tell us about your results with IGF? Seems as though peeps around here aren't too fond of it.

Thanks muchly.

 

[Lowest]

I did it once with gear, once without. Both times I gained strength, lost about 10lbs of fat and 2 inches from my waist while on a bulking diet. It's just too expensive for me to use that often though, or believe me I'd use it with every cycle... or maybe IGF AND GH...

 

[searay]

like i said, shoot it however you want, but from what fun28 said seems to prove my point. shooting sub q creats noduals and hurts like hell. this is probably from the original recommended mixture. there are newer mixtures (acityc) that dont hurt anywhere near the original mixtures did. i get mine premixed and the original mixture needed to be mixed with BA to dilute the igf so the shot wasnt as painful and when it was mixed it would turn cloudy. the newer mixture (acityc) is not as painful and stays clear when mixed with BA. actually the newer stuff doesnt have to be mixed and IS probably fine to shoot sub q.

 

[Lowest]

Mine was mixed with BA only, and no BW. I shot it sub-q without adding anything to it. Never hurt, never made a red spot or bump, and worked like a charm. I guess everyone's different, but it worked for me.

 

[fun28hi]

I've had great results on igf using it with gear. Off cycle now and going to try it alone to see what kind of results... Of gained decent size not that much fat lost but had a very bad diet this go around, on the other hand i didnt gain any fat either.