A challenging chore to start?.................

[atlantabiolab]

You seem to advocate a very streamlined government. What I was saying is that we have internal problems that are more pressing than those in the Middle East.

I am not an advocate of the interventionism that the US upholds, so this argument is not valid. Simply because the US is doing something wrong in one area, does not mean that we should offset it by doing something wrong in another area.

You are changing the subject to insinuate that I advocate government interdiction into home cooked meals while I was not. I'm simply searching for small, meaningful ways to bring up public health.

It is not "public" health, it is personal health, it is the sole responsibility of the individual. Adding the word "public" only grants government the idea that it can intervene.

We pay for the damned food in the school cafeteria, we have every right to wonder what is in it. We also have a responsibility to care about the health of our children.

Tax funded schools are subject to scrutiny by the populace and the majority can vote or pressure for certain food choices, but it is already evident that this idea is going to the extreme. California has banned soft drinks from school vending machines. We tell people that if they don't want to see the shitty programming on TV to switch the channel, but for drink choices in school you can't have a choice?!?!

If we can force the public to buy new stadiums for pro team owners through advocating economic stimulus......then it would seem that more outdoor exercise paths would be appropriate. All it takes is a gravel path.

Taking PE courses, encouraging an understanding of nutrition, serving healthier cafeteria food, and providing gravel paths is hardly legislating personal responsibility.

Your advocating the creation of a waste of money as an alternative to an existing waste of money. I am against the grant of tax money for something that is the business' responsibilty, just as much as I am against the spending of public monies on special projects. These little projects of grand benevolence add up to the staggering waste of money that we currently endure.

What is of more relevance? Iraq living under a dictator or the health of our own citizenry?

Why do you pose an "either or" scenario? I am against the waste of resources on both special interest projects.

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but
an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." - James Madison, 1792

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison criticizing an attempt to grant public monies for charitable means, 1794

 

[Testosterone boy]

OK....so you advocate a hands off approach to almost everything. I was saying that we have domestic problems that are greater than our need to conquer nations.

I am for a common sense approach to government since I doubt that it will vote to shrink itself.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Though I am uncertain of the food served in elementary schools and have no knowledge of cafeteria food outside my own state, I do know that MacDonald's is served in the majority of the high schools here. The entire menu is not available, just the basic cheeseburgers and hamburgers. That service began approximately 3-4 years ago. I also believe MacDonald's was not the only fast food chain to make that move.

Are Alaskan teenagers fluffier now than say 10 years ago? Yes. The number of girls wandering around the gym displaying their pouch is, for lack of a better way to put it, amazing. Since our winters are relatively long, I suppose most feel no need to ever be in bikini shape. Sphere is a shape!


I thought I was living in a state for outdoor enthusiasts.

McDonalds being served in the school cafeteria. We will need to coin a new phrase for when corporate interests enjoy absoute power as well as total control. I say that it henceforth be called......America.

McDonald cheesburgers............woohoo. Ceritfiably among the worlds worst fast foods, akin to being the King junk among junks.

 

[atlantabiolab]

McDonalds being served in the school cafeteria. We will need to coin a new phrase for when corporate interests enjoy absoute power as well as total control. I say that it henceforth be called......America.

It is obvious that you have a hatred for corporations, what then do you propose the government do to stave off the corporate totalitarianism that you predict?

McDonald cheesburgers............woohoo. Ceritfiably among the worlds worst fast foods, akin to being the King junk among junks.

Last time I checked many high schools offer hamburgers, hot dogs, nachos and cheeze, pizza, etc. as a part of the school menu. How are they any different than having McDonald's open a small branch in a school? I am sure it reduces the cost of running a school, since public education wastes tons of money every year, and this company can perform the task more efficiently.

 

[Testosterone boy]

It is obvious that you have a hatred for corporations, what then do you propose the government do to stave off the corporate totalitarianism that you predict?



Last time I checked many high schools offer hamburgers, hot dogs, nachos and cheeze, pizza, etc. as a part of the school menu. How are they any different than having McDonald's open a small branch in a school? I am sure it reduces the cost of running a school, since public education wastes tons of money every year, and this company can perform the task more efficiently.

What I hate is the rampant and oh so popular mentality that only money matters. Some would sell rat poison in the Corn Flakes if they could make an extra 15% in profits.

I have two businesses and do a fair amount of buying and selling. The changes I have seen over the past 10 years is absolutely alarming. Trust is gone because people have grown so accustomed to being screwed. That would include me, I generally will not be sold unless there is a paper trail documenting everything. Almost 1/2 of my bills have been padded by the service company who decided that I authorized additional services without me knowing anything about it.

I think you would be hard put to manufacture a cheeseburger that beat McDonalds in unhealthy attributes. Artificial flavoring, artificial coloring, preservatives, calories.....you name it. McDonalds does not care.


What do I propose? We should all bend over and kiss our collective asses goodbye. The transformation to corporate totalitarianism is complete until campaign finance reform is done. The dems and reps will not bite off the hand that feeds them so I expect that things will get very bad. We might elect some people that are not coerced in bedding down with the corporate elite but the odds are long since the media has become a corporate mouthpiece as well and the public is......well......never mind.

 

[staw]

I have no idea if McD's is a vendor. True, if they rent space from the school district, the district may be saving money in the food service department. However, was this a major area of financial concern before the introduction of McD's? I doubt it.

The majority of high school juniors and seniors leave during the lunch hour (I believe they are still allowed this freedom). In fact, the school only needs to offer food to approx. 60% of its student body. Naturally, a portion of that 60% would not purchase food in the cafeteria as they have brought food from home. Or more likely, don't have any money.

Offering McD's keeps more students in school during the lunch hour, pads the pockets of the high school administrators, and makes kids fatter.

I would like to know how serving McD's (or other flubber making food) in high schools will impact the health care system 10-20 years from now. How much will type 2 diabetes and obseity related illnesses financially burden society? How much will health insurance cost state governments, individuals, families in the next 10 years? At present, Alaska spends $800 per state employee on health insurance. $200 of which, I have to pay myself. I paid less for the same coverage when I was not a state employee. Go figure. And the cost is only increasing.

Excuse the diatribe.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I doubt there will be a United States in 10-20 years so I would not worry about it. We are spending billions that we do not have to seize property that we have no right to from dictators that we helped to install and that is only the tip of the iceberg.

America sold its soul to the money god. It'll last 5-10 more years in my estimation.

We lost our minds. We are cutting taxes for the super rich while the deficit breaks all records and we spend billions crushing scapegoats 1/2 a world away. We have succeeded in alienating the entire planet in two short years and have demonstarted that nuclear brinksmanship is a fun sport for the administration. The economy continues to crumble while the administration pads their defence based pocket books by scaring the shit out of the public with code reds, code orange etc.

Oh hell....I could go on all night. Think I'll drag up a certain resume...

 

[atlantabiolab]

I have no idea if McD's is a vendor. True, if they rent space from the school district, the district may be saving money in the food service department. However, was this a major area of financial concern before the introduction of McD's? I doubt it.

Why do you not worry about the financial cost of public education yet you worry about the cost of insurance rates? The first is paid for by the nation, without their consent, while the latter is paid privately.

The majority of high school juniors and seniors leave during the lunch hour (I believe they are still allowed this freedom). In fact, the school only needs to offer food to approx. 60% of its student body. Naturally, a portion of that 60% would not purchase food in the cafeteria as they have brought food from home. Or more likely, don't have any money.

Offering McD's keeps more students in school during the lunch hour, pads the pockets of the high school administrators, and makes kids fatter.

Where do you think the kids are going off campus to buy lunch? A vegetarian cafe? They are going to McDonald's, Burger King, Taco Bell, etc. The access of McDonald's on campus helps keep kids on campus, which helps prevent idiot kids from getting killed on the streets from maniacal driving.

I would like to know how serving McD's (or other flubber making food) in high schools will impact the health care system 10-20 years from now. How much will type 2 diabetes and obseity related illnesses financially burden society? How much will health insurance cost state governments, individuals, families in the next 10 years? At present, Alaska spends $800 per state employee on health insurance. $200 of which, I have to pay myself. I paid less for the same coverage when I was not a state employee. Go figure. And the cost is only increasing.

This would not be a concern if it were not for the public enslavement to socialized medicine. There would be no financial bonds that entrap the healthy to pay for the poor choices of others.

Stop attacking the private industry which drives the economy and start attacking the government that forces you to pay for the problems that others create for themselves.

 

[Testosterone boy]

We must stop Bush et al from completing his destruction of most everything except the pocketbooks of his friends.

 

[atlantabiolab]

America sold its soul to the money god.

America sold it's mind to the irrational.

We are cutting taxes for the super rich...

This statement is a receipt of our sale.