9/11 - Simulation recreating impossibility of pentagon attack

[bakemeacookie]

Well 9/11 is over, so safe to make these threads!

One thing ALWYS irked me from day one. CNN has done a horrible job explaining this preferring to label 9/11 questioners as "nuts".

The dilemna:
‎8 foreigners, who can't even fly a cessna, grab some jumbo planes and crash them dead-on into buildings and the pentagon with air force pilot precision. Really???

Let the experts speak : Pilots For 9/11 Truth

Simulator Recreation Demonstrates Pentagon Attack Impossibility - YouTube

So with a few months of lousy training I can fly a jumbo jet into DC, do a 360 degree sharp turn, fly 20 feet off the ground and aim it perfectly at the pentagon? Every instructor has said they were horrible pilots. The govt clearly is NOT telling us *everything*. Thoughts?

c

 

[75th]

CNN has done a horrible job explaining this preferring to label 9/11 questioners as "nuts".

If the shoe fits.

 

[bakemeacookie]

This is the same gubment that still won't admit they shot down Flight 93 even though the wreckage was scattered over 8 miles and numerous witnesses seeing an exploding jet falling.

c

 

[75th]

So, the numerous witnesses that apparently saw Flight 93 explode are more credible than the numerous witnesses who saw a plane hit the Pentagon?

 

[mrplunkey]

Steering a plane that is already in the air, at altitude and leveled-off is a trivially simple thing to do.

Landing is super tough (for me, at least).

Taking off and reaching altitude is tricky, just because you've got to do so many ancillary things (landing gear up, flaps back in, don't climb too fast, back-off engine power, etc.)

 

[75th]

Steering a plane that is already in the air, at altitude and leveled-off is a trivially simple thing to do.

This (although Ive never done it personally and therefore am relying on what every pilot not involved with a conspiracy theory website says, irregardless of whether the website was started on the soil of a consumer based economy).

lol @ air force precision.

Big ass plane + big ass building = not exactly threading a needle.

 

[75th]

But hey, at least plunks and I agreed on something new. 9/11 has brought America together.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Well 9/11 is over, so safe to make these threads!

One thing ALWYS irked me from day one. CNN has done a horrible job explaining this preferring to label 9/11 questioners as "nuts".

The dilemna:
‎8 foreigners, who can't even fly a cessna, grab some jumbo planes and crash them dead-on into buildings and the pentagon with air force pilot precision. Really???

Let the experts speak : Pilots For 9/11 Truth

Simulator Recreation Demonstrates Pentagon Attack Impossibility - YouTube

So with a few months of lousy training I can fly a jumbo jet into DC, do a 360 degree sharp turn, fly 20 feet off the ground and aim it perfectly at the pentagon? Every instructor has said they were horrible pilots. The govt clearly is NOT telling us *everything*. Thoughts?

c

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you yourself on teh "stoopid conspiracy theorists" bandwagon before?

 

[jackangel]

improbable != impossible

 

[-SD-]

unpossible!!!!!////

 

[bakemeacookie]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you yourself on teh "stoopid conspiracy theorists" bandwagon before?

Conspiracy is NOT the same as "The Government is not telling us EVERYTHING".

My theory (and this makes common sense & more realistic):

I do NOT believe there were the only hijackers on those flights.

There were ADDITIONAL hijackers on those flights. Actual skilled pilots (perhaps trained ME airline pilots?). Nationality I have no idea.

Those 19 hijackers were simply "the muscle" and co-pilots. The other theory is that 4 of those hijackers stayed home and 4 trained pilots took their ID's and got on those planes. Why the govt (who still won't admit they shot down Flight 93) won't tell us the truth - I have no idea.

Ask yourself: Even if we were to give the hijackers credit for WTC, the chances of a bunch of flight school dropouts, who could barely control a Cessna, performing 360 sharp turns in DC, fly 20 feet above air, take out power lines and smash DEAD-ON to the WALL of the Pentagon - I mean seriusly? When in human HISTORY has a novice done something on that skill level on the first try?

Anyone here believe that? How gullible do you have to be?

Also ask yourself this: How many of you can bet that you can take the SAME training the hijackers received - and smash a jumbo jet into the side wall of the pentagon in ONE SHOT. Hands? (Even if the media wants to make it look like flying Boeing jumbo jets is one big fat video game).

So either these hijackers were:

1) Superhuman. The best pilots in the planet can be found in the ME.

or

2) There were other hijackers on those flights.

The faith people have in their govt is amazing. Oh look WMDs! The american people need to start DEMANDING the truth about 9/11 - declassify everything.

c

 

[-SD-]

What were you saying? I was watching the Kardashians

 

[mrplunkey]

Conspiracy is NOT the same as "The Government is not telling us EVERYTHING".

My theory (and this makes common sense & more realistic):

I do NOT believe there were the only hijackers on those flights.

There were ADDITIONAL hijackers on those flights. Actual skilled pilots (perhaps trained ME airline pilots?). Nationality I have no idea.

Those 19 hijackers were simply "the muscle" and co-pilots. The other theory is that 4 of those hijackers stayed home and 4 trained pilots took their ID's and got on those planes. Why the govt (who still won't admit they shot down Flight 93) won't tell us the truth - I have no idea.

Ask yourself: Even if we were to give the hijackers credit for WTC, the chances of a bunch of flight school dropouts, who could barely control a Cessna, performing 360 sharp turns in DC, fly 20 feet above air, take out power lines and smash DEAD-ON to the WALL of the Pentagon - I mean seriusly? When in human HISTORY has a novice done something on that skill level on the first try?

Anyone here believe that? How gullible do you have to be?

Also ask yourself this: How many of you can bet that you can take the SAME training the hijackers received - and smash a jumbo jet into the side wall of the pentagon in ONE SHOT. Hands? (Even if the media wants to make it look like flying Boeing jumbo jets is one big fat video game).

So either these hijackers were:

1) Superhuman. The best pilots in the planet can be found in the ME.

or

2) There were other hijackers on those flights.

The faith people have in their govt is amazing. Oh look WMDs! The american people need to start DEMANDING the truth about 9/11 - declassify everything.

c

You continue to grossly overestimate the difficulty of maintaining a plane already in flight. It's brain dead easy.

 

[bakemeacookie]

You continue to grossly overestimate the difficulty of maintaining a plane already in flight. It's brain dead easy.

Okay. Put some money in, we'll grab 30 people off the street, give them the same training as the hijackers, throw them into a filght simulator and tlel them to hit the wall of the pentagon on their first crack.

How many do you think will succeed on the first try?

c

 

[75th]

How gullible do you have to be?

Ah irony...

 

[75th]

And you realize that the Pentagon is the largest office building on the globe, right?

Again...not really threading a needle.

 

[mrplunkey]

Okay. Put some money in, we'll grab 30 people off the street, give them the same training as the hijackers, throw them into a filght simulator and tlel them to hit the wall of the pentagon on their first crack.

How many do you think will succeed on the first try?

c

Lots. The building is 77ft high and massively wide.

So let's logic this out:

1) lateral placement is irrelevant. They could be off 1,000 feet and still hit the side.

2) target is massively (77 ft) tall.

3) guessing low still skips the plane into the wall

4) guessing high hits the back wall or even the other side of the building.

A huge number of people could pull that off, let alone some crappy pilots with a little training. And what would someone who trained them say anyway? "They were my star pupil?"

 

[75th]

God I love that video.

"The alleged (dramatic zoom in + DUN! sound) hijackers..."

 

[bakemeacookie]

A huge number of people could pull that off, let alone some crappy pilots with a little training. And what would someone who trained them say anyway? "They were my star pupil?"

The student in the video didn't even come close. You really think OBL is stupd enough to rest his entire operation on some ragtag cessna-flying goofs? Or do you think it's more realistic he "swapped" out some of them at the last second with more experienced guys - and the USG is hiding this?

There's a bigger Saudi connection here hence why the USG is hiding all the truth. The USG wants people angry at Saddam not the Saudis. Did you know the first thing the USG did was fly out Saudis on 911? Do you think they had choppers at the ready? Where's the documents on that?

as for how "easy" it is - you can go to pilotsfor911truth.org and duke it out there. People who fly these planes for a living are awaiting yoru input. Declassify 911 - what are you afraid of USG?

c

 

[EnderJE]

Okay. The government did it. The current one is continuing the facade. People are still watching Justin Bieber. Life in the ME (Afghan, Iraq, Marine, etc) is cheap. I get it.

 

[shirlene29]

I'm wondering how many people in this thread saw the devastation first hand and even have more than a conceptual clue as to what theyre talking about...

jus sayin

 

[EnderJE]

I'm wondering how many people in this thread saw the devastation first hand and even have more than a conceptual clue as to what theyre talking about...

jus sayin

People fight about God and other things. This is just one more. In either case, it's a tragedy.

 

[p0ink]

The one thing that offends me the most about conspiracy theorists is that you guys assume government employees are intelligent and competent enough to pull them off.

 

[shirlene29]

hahaha...see my post in your "I'm back" thread